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Trump To Sign Order to Interpret Judaism As A Nationality

Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Religion and ethnicity are protected classes. Jewish people, religious or ethnic, need not fear discrimination. Israeli is a nationality; so that's covered.

What is the point?

The point is trying to silence the BDS movement on campuses. Since Trump has labeled all Jews a separate nation, and considers the BDS Movement attacking their nationality, he is planning on silencing BDS now. If campuses do not comply, Trump will pull federal funding.

The tea party conservatives think students should welcome nazis and alt right speakers to campuses, otherwise, they accuse the left as being fascist. In this case, they have labeled criticizing the politics and policies of the Israeli government as being racist towards all Jewish people, and all Jewish people are all now a separate nationality

It seems Trump has been trying to appeal to Jewish voters. But I think this mentality is probably most likely guided by evangelicals, because they have a weird apocalyptic interest in Israel.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Yes, I dispute everything you said. It's bat**** looney conspiracy theory.

This is not a measure to declare Jews a "nationality" so that they can be declared non-American and then (eventually) line them up for extermination, which is what you think it is. And it's what's insane. You are saying something utterly lunatic.

The idea is to consider Jews a nationality to give them protection under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which they wouldn't otherwise have, at least not in that way.

Declaring any group non America or a stateless people within a state, puts them at risk of government violence. You’re turning this conversation into a joke. Such laws don’t lead to mass murder in themselves. American society is currently no where near approving of mass murder of Jews at this time, but Trump and his base support non lethal measures towards unwanted groups. Putting any large group in a camp system indefinitely is an eliminationist measure.

So while people like you aim to turn the conversation and concerns of their neighbors into a joke, make no mistake, under Trump’s leadership and rhetoric, you are in fact, normalizing, moralizing, and rationalizing policies towards other people you would perceive as threatening to yourself if the roles were reversed
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

No. That's not the take.

You should know better than that.

But you think they are something else than simply American
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

1) That's not really what happened, just another fake news story.
2) Saying that there is a Jewish nationality isn't making Jewish Americans less American, just like saying there is a Dutch nationality doesn't make Dutch Americans less American.
3) It's also a matter of facts so this very discussion is just outright stupid.
4) Why are you pretending to care for Jews in this thread? Your posting history on Jews is known. Even in this very thread you openly protect the BDS movement which is a KKK type of organization.

So you’re accusing me of hating Jews?

I want to have this on official record.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

1) That's not really what happened, just another fake news story.
2) Saying that there is a Jewish nationality isn't making Jewish Americans less American, just like saying there is a Dutch nationality doesn't make Dutch Americans less American.
3) It's also a matter of facts so this very discussion is just outright stupid.

When someone comes from a place of both ignorance and deep prejudice, it's a ripe breeding ground for the kinds of looney conspiracy theories on display in this thread.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Declaring any group non America or a stateless people within a state

Nobody did that.

But you think they are something else than simply American

No I don't.

That is all. Go bite someone else's ankles.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Nobody did that.



No I don't.

That is all. Go bite someone else's ankles.

Do you know what Trump did today? He signed an EO recognizing American Jewish citizens as a separate nationality.

Trump didn't destroy the statehood of American Jews today, but historically nobody's statehood was destroyed in one day.

There is a historical and valid reason people are offended. You could learn, if you were willing to attention. Instead, Trump supporters don't care about neighbors, and when the president makes other Americans feel threatened and concerned it's usually time to laugh or celebrate "getting a lib."
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Do you know what Trump did today? He signed an EO recognizing American Jewish citizens as a separate nationality.

You are simply being lied to by a group of people that hate Trump and will never support a thing he does, even when it is the same thing obama did and no one complaind. The only people nearly as bad as the liars are the idiots that keep buying it uncritically.

From VOX, a far left website:
The draft executive order largely restates the Obama administration’s position.

It provides that “while Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices.” “Discrimination against Jews,” it continues, “may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.”

The executive order, in other words, does not engage in Nazi reclassification of Judaism as something other than a religion. Rather, it rests on a benign and fairly obvious proposition about how discrimination against Jews often functions: Suppose that an Israeli student is targeted by school administrators because those administrators are biased against people from Israel. If this student is also Jewish, the fact that the student is a Jew does not mean that they were not a victim of national origin discrimination.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

So you’re accusing me of hating Jews?

I want to have this on official record.

In this very thread you support a group dedicated to antisemitism.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Do you know what Trump did today? He signed an EO recognizing American Jewish citizens as a separate nationality.

Trump didn't destroy the statehood of American Jews today, but historically nobody's statehood was destroyed in one day.

There is a historical and valid reason people are offended. You could learn, if you were willing to attention. Instead, Trump supporters don't care about neighbors, and when the president makes other Americans feel threatened and concerned it's usually time to laugh or celebrate "getting a lib."

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation
Jews - Wikipedia

Just like

Dutch people (Dutch: About this soundNederlanders) or the Dutch are a Germanic ethnic group and nation
Dutch people - Wikipedia

But I guess that means Dutch and Jewish Americans are less American now because of a Wiki article?
Holy **** that's stupid.

First you use your massive ignorance to bring discussion to your level of dumbness and then you argue from that position. It's absurd.
It's also a fake news story, the President of the US made no such declaration, you've already been told it was a misreporting and yet insist on continuing to promote outright lies to suit your agenda.
Pathetic.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

In this very thread you support a group dedicated to antisemitism.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.



Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation
Jews - Wikipedia

Just like

Dutch people (Dutch: About this soundNederlanders) or the Dutch are a Germanic ethnic group and nation
Dutch people - Wikipedia

But I guess that means Dutch and Jewish Americans are less American now because of a Wiki article?
Holy **** that's stupid.

First you use your massive ignorance to bring discussion to your level of dumbness and then you argue from that position. It's absurd.
It's also a fake news story, the President of the US made no such declaration, you've already been told it was a misreporting and yet insist on continuing to promote outright lies to suit your agenda.
Pathetic.
Jews are not a nation. They are part of a religion. By making them a nation you open up the possibility of removing Jews from the US. Why? Because they are a nationality, then they wont be stateless if you remove thier US citizenship. And it wont break freedom of religion because Jews are now a nationality and not a religion. This move is very dangerous and has been done before...in the 1930s.

But hey since Jews are a nation then they can go back home to thier country eh? Much like Mexicans and Muslims....

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Do you know what Trump did today? He signed an EO recognizing American Jewish citizens as a separate nationality.

Trump didn't destroy the statehood of American Jews today, but historically nobody's statehood was destroyed in one day.

There is a historical and valid reason people are offended. You could learn, if you were willing to attention. Instead, Trump supporters don't care about neighbors, and when the president makes other Americans feel threatened and concerned it's usually time to laugh or celebrate "getting a lib."

It really is all they have. How many times have you heard them whinge about being left behind, about fly-over country? For many this is probably the first time in decades they have felt like "winners", because they sure didn't when they had to compete on a level playing field.

So Trump can steal from their children's future with record deficits to fund his tax cuts for the richest Americans, he can pollute their children's water supply to ensure corporations recognize this small window when they can destroy the environment, and leave it to the next generation to pay, while they pocket the enormous profits today.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Jews are not a nation. They are part of a religion. By making them a nation you open up the possibility of removing Jews from the US. Why? Because they are a nationality, then they wont be stateless if you remove thier US citizenship. And it wont break freedom of religion because Jews are now a nationality and not a religion. This move is very dangerous and has been done before...in the 1930s.

But hey since Jews are a nation then they can go back home to thier country eh? Much like Mexicans and Muslims....

Sent from my Honor 8X

1) You don't know what a nation is due to ignorance. A Dutch American isn't less American than an Irish American.
2) You don't know the difference between the terms 'Judaism' and 'the Jewish people', you think the two are the same, you're completely ignorant.
3) You pretend to argue for Jews' sake against antisemitism while you're mostly known around here for promoting antisemitism and have a long history of doing that, I called out that 2009 post of yours about Jews "crying wolf" about attacks against them. Who do you think you're fooling here?
4) This is a fake news story and a misreporting. No one is "making" Jews a nation all of a sudden.
5) Factually they are. Like the Dutch. It's written in the Wiki artcile in the commnet you're responding to. Take a while to actually read what you're responding to, otherwise you just expose your ignorance.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

1) You don't know what a nation is due to ignorance. A Dutch American isn't less American than an Irish American.
2) You don't know the difference between the terms 'Judaism' and 'the Jewish people', you think the two are the same, you're completely ignorant.
3) You pretend to argue for Jews' sake against antisemitism while you're mostly known around here for promoting antisemitism and have a long history of doing that, I called out that 2009 post of yours about Jews "crying wolf" about attacks against them. Who do you think you're fooling here?
4) This is a fake news story and a misreporting. No one is "making" Jews a nation all of a sudden.
5) Factually they are. Like the Dutch. It's written in the Wiki artcile in the commnet you're responding to. Take a while to actually read what you're responding to, otherwise you just expose your ignorance.

We should be used to the whole misreporting aspect of all this by now.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

1) You don't know what a nation is due to ignorance. A Dutch American isn't less American than an Irish American.
There is no such thing as a Dutch American or Irish American... there is American or dual citizenship. That some people cling to a historical heritage because being American is not as fancy enough for them or whatever, does not change the fact they are American only (unless dual citizenship of course). JFK was an American, not an Irish American or whatever.. he was an American.

2) You don't know the difference between the terms 'Judaism' and 'the Jewish people', you think the two are the same, you're completely ignorant.

So Christianity and Christian people are not the same? I know what you are doing, and it is your usual stick when it comes to someone that does not agree with your bull****.

3) You pretend to argue for Jews' sake against antisemitism while you're mostly known around here for promoting antisemitism and have a long history of doing that, I called out that 2009 post of yours about Jews "crying wolf" about attacks against them. Who do you think you're fooling here?

I pretend nothing. And I dont promote antisemitism, because being critical of far right Israeli politics and the policies of the Israeli government is not being antisemetic.. of course you dont agree, because you use the slur of "anti-semitism" to clamp down on any criticism of the state of Israel. That is and always has been your stick. As for the 2009 call out.. yes and I stand by it because I am proven right every month. I also know that it is people like you who like to promote the "crying wolf" to deflect away from the horrors of the far right Israeli government. It is so much easier to point out a % rise in anti-Semitic attacks in France and yet ignore context or actual numbers, because it takes away focus for the daily abuses by Israel against the Palestinian population.

4) This is a fake news story and a misreporting. No one is "making" Jews a nation all of a sudden.

LOL, what have you been smoking. By declaring Jews as a nationality, that makes them part of a nation. Go look up the definition and then get back to me.

5) Factually they are. Like the Dutch. It's written in the Wiki artcile in the commnet you're responding to. Take a while to actually read what you're responding to, otherwise you just expose your ignorance.

No they are not. The Dutch have geographical area, culture and history to cling too... that makes them a nation. Jews come in all sizes and colours and is based on a religion (unlike the Dutch), and Jews are from all over the place. Jews are NOT a people or nation or anything but a freaking religion. There are Danes of the Jewish faith, there are Iranians of the Jewish faith and so many more. They are not linked to one nationality, but a religion and their nationality is of the nation they were born in/have a passport of.

If being Jewish is a nation, then Christians are a nation and so are Muslims, Buddists, Scientologists and so on.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

There is no such thing as a Dutch American or Irish American

Holy **** you're ignorant.
Irish Americans - Wikipedia
Dutch Americans - Wikipedia

So Christianity and Christian people are not the same?

Christianity like Judaism is a religion. A people or a nation is not a religion.
Holy **** you're ignorant.
Nation - Wikipedia
Religion - Wikipedia
Christianity - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

I pretend nothing. And I dont promote antisemitism

Claiming Jews are not being attacked and are instead crying wolf over antisemitic attacks against them is what?
Don't pretend that you argue for the sake of Jews, you're not, I know what you are and I'm familiar with your history.
Same goes for SheWolf or truthatallcost or any other person who has a history of promoting antisemitism here and suddenly thinks he can argue about what is right and what isn't right for Jews.

LOL, what have you been smoking. By declaring Jews as a nationality, that makes them part of a nation.

Who declared them a nation here? No one. It's a fake news story and a misreporting. You fell for it because A) you wanted to and B) because you're weak minded and easy to manipulate.

No they are not. The Dutch have geographical area, culture and history to cling too

Same as Jews. Language, shared history, a shared homeland, shared ancestry, shared culture(including Judaism, a religion).
Holy **** you're ignorant - it's not me it's the dictionary calling you that.
Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Do you know what Trump did today? He signed an EO recognizing American Jewish citizens as a separate nationality.

Trump didn't destroy the statehood of American Jews today, but historically nobody's statehood was destroyed in one day.

There is a historical and valid reason people are offended. You could learn, if you were willing to attention. Instead, Trump supporters don't care about neighbors, and when the president makes other Americans feel threatened and concerned it's usually time to laugh or celebrate "getting a lib."

Trump executive order on anti-Semitism: It doesn't say Judaism is a race or nationality.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

As I said earlier, ignorance coupled with extreme prejudice is a breeding ground for rank conspiracy theories such as what's being stupidly bandied about in this thread.

The E.O. is ridiculous pandering to his donors. Jewish students in America can now claim they were victimized by antisemitism, if another student criticizes Israel in a certain manner.

Opinion | Jared Kushner: President Trump Is Defending Jewish Students - The New York Times

It was conservatives who embraced the idea that rights are more important than feelings. Apparently some of you want to start behaving like the little Antifa brats now, and shut down speech that you don't like on school campuses.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

The E.O. is ridiculous pandering to his donors. Jewish students in America can now claim they were victimized by antisemitism, if another student criticizes Israel in a certain manner.

Opinion | Jared Kushner: President Trump Is Defending Jewish Students - The New York Times

It was conservatives who embraced the idea that rights are more important than feelings. Apparently some of you want to start behaving like the little Antifa brats now, and shut down speech that you don't like on school campuses.

It is, of course, no surprise that your problem with it is too much protection for Jews. You should sit this one out.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

It is, of course, no surprise that your problem with it is too much protection for Jews. You should sit this one out.

I support equal protection, not special treatment. The problem with redefining antisemitism, is that it becomes a race to classify anything that inconveniences some Jews as antisemitism. Debate about Israel is a case in point. We should name this movement as anti-criticism, and its members anti-critics.

There's no law against calling China a racist country on campus, or calling South Africa racist. Why do we need a law that prevents people from saying Israel is racist?
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

In this very thread you support a group dedicated to antisemitism.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.



Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation
Jews - Wikipedia

Just like

Dutch people (Dutch: About this soundNederlanders) or the Dutch are a Germanic ethnic group and nation
Dutch people - Wikipedia

But I guess that means Dutch and Jewish Americans are less American now because of a Wiki article?
Holy **** that's stupid.

First you use your massive ignorance to bring discussion to your level of dumbness and then you argue from that position. It's absurd.
It's also a fake news story, the President of the US made no such declaration, you've already been told it was a misreporting and yet insist on continuing to promote outright lies to suit your agenda.
Pathetic.

In America, we have freedom of speech. The BDS Movement is protesting the policies of Israel. It's mission is not inherently antisemitic, nor is it anti Israeli. The movement is simply protesting the policies of the Israeli government. You simply declaring it antisemitic, and calling me names, including an ignorant antisemite doesn't make a word of it true.

If you think you are such an intelligent poster, then you should be able to make whatever your point is in some sort of rational fashion.

:lol: Israeli is a nationality. Jewish is a religion. An American Jew, is an America. An American Christian, is an American. A Dutch American is a Dutch National living in America.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

1) You don't know what a nation is due to ignorance. A Dutch American isn't less American than an Irish American.
2) You don't know the difference between the terms 'Judaism' and 'the Jewish people', you think the two are the same, you're completely ignorant.
3) You pretend to argue for Jews' sake against antisemitism while you're mostly known around here for promoting antisemitism and have a long history of doing that, I called out that 2009 post of yours about Jews "crying wolf" about attacks against them. Who do you think you're fooling here?
4) This is a fake news story and a misreporting. No one is "making" Jews a nation all of a sudden.
5) Factually they are. Like the Dutch. It's written in the Wiki artcile in the commnet you're responding to. Take a while to actually read what you're responding to, otherwise you just expose your ignorance.

The Jewish people can refer to the ethnic group, but Jewish people are not all the same nationality.

It seems you're the one who is confused
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Holy **** you're ignorant.
Irish Americans - Wikipedia
Dutch Americans - Wikipedia



Christianity like Judaism is a religion. A people or a nation is not a religion.
Holy **** you're ignorant.
Nation - Wikipedia
Religion - Wikipedia
Christianity - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews



Claiming Jews are not being attacked and are instead crying wolf over antisemitic attacks against them is what?
Don't pretend that you argue for the sake of Jews, you're not, I know what you are and I'm familiar with your history.
Same goes for SheWolf or truthatallcost or any other person who has a history of promoting antisemitism here and suddenly thinks he can argue about what is right and what isn't right for Jews.



Who declared them a nation here? No one. It's a fake news story and a misreporting. You fell for it because A) you wanted to and B) because you're weak minded and easy to manipulate.



Same as Jews. Language, shared history, a shared homeland, shared ancestry, shared culture(including Judaism, a religion).
Holy **** you're ignorant - it's not me it's the dictionary calling you that.
Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation

You should read your own wiki links. In the first sentence, those articles are referring to Dutch American and Irish Americans as an ethnic group and not a nationality. Unless the person is a foreign national living in America, then their nationality is American.

If your parents were from Ireland, but you were born in America, then your ancestry is Irish. Your ethnicity is Irish, but your nationality is American.

A Jewish person living in America, is an American.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

As I said earlier, ignorance coupled with extreme prejudice is a breeding ground for rank conspiracy theories such as what's being stupidly bandied about in this thread.

Classic Harshaw calling other posters prejudice bigots, and spinning the posts of others.
 
Re: Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

In America, we have freedom of speech. The BDS Movement is protesting the policies of Israel. It's mission is not inherently antisemitic, nor is it anti Israeli. The movement is simply protesting the policies of the Israeli government. You simply declaring it antisemitic, and calling me names, including an ignorant antisemite doesn't make a word of it true.

If you think you are such an intelligent poster, then you should be able to make whatever your point is in some sort of rational fashion.

:lol: Israeli is a nationality. Jewish is a religion. An American Jew, is an America. An American Christian, is an American. A Dutch American is a Dutch National living in America.

You're arguing with a dictionary at this point, since you don't know what a nation is. You think it means citizenship. It doesn't. A nation is a group with a shared past, homeland, language, culture, etc. Like the Dutch, the Jews, the Irish, the Japanese and others.

The BDS is an antisemitic movement like the KKK are racist.
In America, it was declared so.
In France, UK, Canada, Germany, Australia, similar statements were made declaring the BDS antisemitic.
It isn't just a rabid anti-Israeli organization, it targets Jews for harassment, it has ties with terror groups that seek genocide for Jews and it opposes by its own definition the very existence of a Jewish state in Israel or elsewhere. It opposes the right to self determination of Jews and only of Jews and of no one else. An antisemitic group to its core.

You also forgot to admit that this is a fake news story and a misreporting, and admit that you were fooled.
 
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