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Poll: Trump Leads Dems in Battleground States

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So... what do ya think of these GOP Firehouse Strategies Firm state Polls(LOL)?

Despite facing impeachment, President Donald Trump has beaten his Democratic rivals in the battleground states Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the latest poll from GOP firm Firehouse Strategies.

Firehouse and Optimus surveyed likely voters in the three states, asking who they would be more likely to vote for in a head-to-head matchup between Trump and the various Democratic contenders, including former Vice President Joe Biden, Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Poll: Trump Leads Dems in Battleground States | Newsmax.com
 
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consder the source.

'nuff said.
 
So... what do ya think of these GOP Firehouse Strategies Firm state Polls(LOL)?



Poll: Trump Leads Dems in Battleground States | Newsmax.com

There will be polls and rumors of polls. Meanwhile, a compilation of polls shows little change in those for and those against the current president, Donald Trump. There is also some 10-14% of the population who are unsure of their final vote. We've 11 months to go in a volatile world of politics, international relations and economics. Much, if not all political palaver can be safe discounted for the next 8-10 months.

Regards.
 
Firehouse Strategies is a public relations consulting firm headquartered in Washington, DC. It was founded in 2016 by Republican strategists Terry Sullivan, Alex Conant, and Will Holley..

Newsmax is an American conservative news and opinion website founded by Christopher Ruddy in 1998 and based in West Palm Beach Florida. Christopher Ruddy is the president and CEO of Newsmax Media. According to an Atlantic article, Ruddy is also a close friend of Donald Trump.
 
Firehouse Strategies is a public relations consulting firm headquartered in Washington, DC. It was founded in 2016 by Republican strategists Terry Sullivan, Alex Conant, and Will Holley..

Newsmax is an American conservative news and opinion website founded by Christopher Ruddy in 1998 and based in West Palm Beach Florida. Christopher Ruddy is the president and CEO of Newsmax Media. According to an Atlantic article, Ruddy is also a close friend of Donald Trump.

So just what are you trying to say?(LOL)
 
So just what are you trying to say?(LOL)

Actually I hope Con media sources like these keep pushing the narrative that Trump's ahead in the polls. That might get Indy's and Dems off their asses in 2020 and vote, instead of sitting home like they did in 2016 because they thought Clinton had it all wrapped up.
 
So... what do ya think of these GOP Firehouse Strategies Firm state Polls(LOL)?



Poll: Trump Leads Dems in Battleground States | Newsmax.com

I'd have to actually see the poll questions to know what I think of the polls. However, I won't be surprised if Trump is re-elected (nor will I be surprised if he is defeated).

To take a step back, both in time and in conceptual distance: by the end of the Bush II era, voters were getting fed-up with business as usual in Washington. Barack Obama was elected as an outsider with centrist-liberal ideas and ideology to break up business as usual and retool how Washington works. While he did a reasonably good job, he didn't really understand what was going on in the country, and I think many people still do not.

Washington politicians are simply not doing anything decisive, and we common citizens need them to break down the current elite and change things so that government policies start working for ordinary people again. When I was growing up, it was possible for one parent in the household to have a full-time job outside the home while the other parent stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house. That single salary paid for the house, two cars, two weeks of vacation and two weeks of sick leave, college tuition for the kids, food, medical and dental insurance, etc. If that's still possible anywhere in America, I haven't heard of where it is.

I recall a town-hall moment during the Bush II administration in which a woman exclaimed to the President that she had to work three jobs and was still struggling. He looked at her and smiled and said "now that's distinctly American!"--as if she was trying to play up America's brand or something, rather than bring to his attention that she was seriously suffering and needed him to help her. She represented a great many of our citizens, who work multiple jobs and still have trouble saving money. Hard to do when your mortgage payment is $4000 a month, student loans are $1000, and your employer-offered medical plan has a $12,000 deductible. (Meanwhile, the economic elite are wallowing in more money than they can ever possibly spend). His display of the lack of understanding of her situation epitomized Washington politics since Reagan. Voters need politicians to start recognizing their situation and do something about it.

The 2016 choice was between someone who, for all that he is vulgar and just weird, doesn't represent that Bush II attitude. Obama turned out, for all his ginned-up optimism, to just be more business-as-usual. Hillary represented more of the same policies that put voters in their present situation. So Trump was a no-brainer...and he may be again if the dems don't wise up. It's not conservative or liberal policies per se that will persuade that cadre of independent voters that any candidate needs to persuade to win. It is, rather, policies that will bring back those days when it was still possible to enjoy life.

Trump is not enough to do that. It's going to just keep getting worse until the proverbial ****e hits the proverbial fan. I expect that'll be roughly another 10-15 years, and then there will be a real reckoning--literal blood in the streets and civil unrest. Probably not outright civil war, but that is at least a possibility.
 
I'd have to actually see the poll questions to know what I think of the polls. However, I won't be surprised if Trump is re-elected (nor will I be surprised if he is defeated).

To take a step back, both in time and in conceptual distance: by the end of the Bush II era, voters were getting fed-up with business as usual in Washington. Barack Obama was elected as an outsider with centrist-liberal ideas and ideology to break up business as usual and retool how Washington works. While he did a reasonably good job, he didn't really understand what was going on in the country, and I think many people still do not.

Washington politicians are simply not doing anything decisive, and we common citizens need them to break down the current elite and change things so that government policies start working for ordinary people again. When I was growing up, it was possible for one parent in the household to have a full-time job outside the home while the other parent stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house. That single salary paid for the house, two cars, two weeks of vacation and two weeks of sick leave, college tuition for the kids, food, medical and dental insurance, etc. If that's still possible anywhere in America, I haven't heard of where it is.

I recall a town-hall moment during the Bush II administration in which a woman exclaimed to the President that she had to work three jobs and was still struggling. He looked at her and smiled and said "now that's distinctly American!"--as if she was trying to play up America's brand or something, rather than bring to his attention that she was seriously suffering and needed him to help her. She represented a great many of our citizens, who work multiple jobs and still have trouble saving money. Hard to do when your mortgage payment is $4000 a month, student loans are $1000, and your employer-offered medical plan has a $12,000 deductible. (Meanwhile, the economic elite are wallowing in more money than they can ever possibly spend). His display of the lack of understanding of her situation epitomized Washington politics since Reagan. Voters need politicians to start recognizing their situation and do something about it.

The 2016 choice was between someone who, for all that he is vulgar and just weird, doesn't represent that Bush II attitude. Obama turned out, for all his ginned-up optimism, to just be more business-as-usual. Hillary represented more of the same policies that put voters in their present situation. So Trump was a no-brainer...and he may be again if the dems don't wise up. It's not conservative or liberal policies per se that will persuade that cadre of independent voters that any candidate needs to persuade to win. It is, rather, policies that will bring back those days when it was still possible to enjoy life.

Trump is not enough to do that. It's going to just keep getting worse until the proverbial ****e hits the proverbial fan. I expect that'll be roughly another 10-15 years, and then there will be a real reckoning--literal blood in the streets and civil unrest. Probably not outright civil war, but that is at least a possibility.

Wow man, you hit the nail on the head. So why do you think Democrats are trying so hard to confiscate our guns? Hmmm? I think someone is more self-aware than we think. Stubborn, selfish, tone deaf, but definitely aware of the coming rage. And it won't be Black Lives Matter, Antifa and the rest of the special interest groups. It'll be ordinary Americans from the heartland who finally get fed up with blue state bull****. The blood shed could possibly start there, and I think some know it. Just look at the DRACONIAN gun control laws they're contemplating in Virginia to get a clue of the absolute horror these politicians must feel. They know none of these laws are really about law enforcement or protecting the public from mass shooters. They know they've been pushing the common citizenry to the brink for decades, and the pressure relief valve will eventually open.
 
Wow man, you hit the nail on the head. So why do you think Democrats are trying so hard to confiscate our guns? Hmmm? I think someone is more self-aware than we think. Stubborn, selfish, tone deaf, but definitely aware of the coming rage. And it won't be Black Lives Matter, Antifa and the rest of the special interest groups. It'll be ordinary Americans from the heartland who finally get fed up with blue state bull****. The blood shed could possibly start there, and I think some know it. Just look at the DRACONIAN gun control laws they're contemplating in Virginia to get a clue of the absolute horror these politicians must feel. They know none of these laws are really about law enforcement or protecting the public from mass shooters. They know they've been pushing the common citizenry to the brink for decades, and the pressure relief valve will eventually open.

Yes, I think that may be true. I doubt most run-of-the-mill gun control politicians realize the tune to which they are dancing...but this is an example of the general principle that leads me to argue against gun control. The time comes when force is the last resort of a people who are suffering, and populations that willingly give up their weapons throughout history have usually regretted doing so. I think that's the animus behind the second amendment, and I support keeping that idea--and the reality it envisions--intact. Citizens need to be able to bring to bear on government whatever force government can bring to bear upon them.
 
She represented a great many of our citizens, who work multiple jobs and still have trouble saving money. Hard to do when your mortgage payment is $4000 a month, student loans are $1000, and your employer-offered medical plan has a $12,000 deductible. (Meanwhile, the economic elite are wallowing in more money than they can ever possibly spend). His display of the lack of understanding of her situation epitomized Washington politics since Reagan. Voters need politicians to start recognizing their situation and do something about it.

That's what Sanders / Warren camp has been pushing - Medicare for All, free public college, and other safety nets that addresses exactly the things you just said...

consder the source

Firehouse Strategies ... founded in 2016 by Republican strategists Terry Sullivan, Alex Conant, and Will Holley..

According to the OP, "in Firehouse’s polling last year, Biden beat Trump in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, while the two were about tied in Michigan."

So, not a good trend if polling was done the same way (and assuming this statement is accurate)
 
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I'd have to actually see the poll questions to know what I think of the polls. However, I won't be surprised if Trump is re-elected (nor will I be surprised if he is defeated).

Washington politicians are simply not doing anything decisive, and we common citizens need them to break down the current elite and change things so that government policies start working for ordinary people again. When I was growing up, it was possible for one parent in the household to have a full-time job outside the home while the other parent stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house. That single salary paid for the house, two cars, two weeks of vacation and two weeks of sick leave, college tuition for the kids, food, medical and dental insurance, etc. If that's still possible anywhere in America, I haven't heard of where it is.

The 2016 choice was between someone who, for all that he is vulgar and just weird, doesn't represent that Bush II attitude. Obama turned out, for all his ginned-up optimism, to just be more business-as-usual. Hillary represented more of the same policies that put voters in their present situation. So Trump was a no-brainer...and he may be again if the dems don't wise up. It's not conservative or liberal policies per se that will persuade that cadre of independent voters that any candidate needs to persuade to win. It is, rather, policies that will bring back those days when it was still possible to enjoy life.

Trump is not enough to do that. It's going to just keep getting worse until the proverbial ****e hits the proverbial fan. I expect that'll be roughly another 10-15 years, and then there will be a real reckoning--literal blood in the streets and civil unrest. Probably not outright civil war, but that is at least a possibility.


Far too well-stated for the frothing, beady-eyed liberals that frequent this joint, but you're making the astute and proper observations.

What they continually fail to understand is that Trump represents a protest of the quagmire you so eloquently described. He is nobody's "hero" as they suggest, but he has become a sympathetic figure because he's fully exposed just how rotten and corrupt Washington is. I'm proud that America finally did something about it, even if it meant electing an unrefined curmudgeon like Trump, who can amazingly deal with the punches day after day without losing his determination.

Right now, they're panicking in fear over him just being allowed in the country club. They're watching black men support Trump at a 30+ percent rate, and it's got them rattled to their core. It's all coming unraveled.

Hence, attempt after attempt at inventing reasons for impeachment.

But most voters see through all this. They aren't like the ilk here. They're well-employed, and not of the part-time or seasonal variety. They're paying lower taxes, despite the lies of Nancy and her crew. They see it in their damn paychecks! They agree immigration is a problem. They agree that trade is unfair and costs American's jobs. They agree that grown men shouldn't pee in the same bathrooms as 12-year-old girls, or run in the same track meet as women. They believe in natural pronouns. They don't believe that everything shouldn't be about racial and sexual identity. They believe Star Wars should still be able to depict a male in a position of power in the rebellion, LOL.

They're going to vote for what their life currently looks like, which is pretty dang good right now.

And that will infuriate the participation-trophy-raised crowds, who are still writhing in their 2016 loss because their parents never taught them how to lose gracefully and go back to work for next time. It's driving this socialist/communist movement through the likes of Bernie and Warren, and they're taking over the Democrat Party in growing numbers.

Sadly, I also agree that violent times are ahead. Eventually, a purge of sorts will be necessary because the radical left won't accept their fate otherwise. Unfortunately, many of their kind have infiltrated powerful positions in the media, which champion and support their cause with propaganda and misinformation. Still, most of thinking America has wised up to this, which is making the media even more incensed and radicalized. They're literally cannibalizing themselves into off-channel variety shows.

A hundred years from now, books will be written about all this. Will they be about the beginning of the end of America? Will it speak of another Bolshevik takeover in the world? Or, will it be about how America gathered itself and held to its values and pushed the left back into its little corner?
 
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So just what are you trying to say?(LOL)

The polling company and the news source are highly biased. BTW, the rating of that company for accuracy is 'C/D'
 
This poll shows Biden leading Trump in all the battleground states, except North Carolina.

President Trump could win 2020 battleground states, poll finds

The poll looked at potential matchups between Trump and the leading Democratic primary candidates in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina, the states where Trump held his narrowest wins over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Former Vice President Joe Biden beat Trump among likely voters in all of those states but North Carolina in a hypothetical head-to-head contest, but his lead was 2% or less in all of them.
 
I'd have to actually see the poll questions to know what I think of the polls. However, I won't be surprised if Trump is re-elected (nor will I be surprised if he is defeated).

To take a step back, both in time and in conceptual distance: by the end of the Bush II era, voters were getting fed-up with business as usual in Washington. Barack Obama was elected as an outsider with centrist-liberal ideas and ideology to break up business as usual and retool how Washington works. While he did a reasonably good job, he didn't really understand what was going on in the country, and I think many people still do not.

Washington politicians are simply not doing anything decisive, and we common citizens need them to break down the current elite and change things so that government policies start working for ordinary people again. When I was growing up, it was possible for one parent in the household to have a full-time job outside the home while the other parent stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house. That single salary paid for the house, two cars, two weeks of vacation and two weeks of sick leave, college tuition for the kids, food, medical and dental insurance, etc. If that's still possible anywhere in America, I haven't heard of where it is.

I recall a town-hall moment during the Bush II administration in which a woman exclaimed to the President that she had to work three jobs and was still struggling. He looked at her and smiled and said "now that's distinctly American!"--as if she was trying to play up America's brand or something, rather than bring to his attention that she was seriously suffering and needed him to help her. She represented a great many of our citizens, who work multiple jobs and still have trouble saving money. Hard to do when your mortgage payment is $4000 a month, student loans are $1000, and your employer-offered medical plan has a $12,000 deductible. (Meanwhile, the economic elite are wallowing in more money than they can ever possibly spend). His display of the lack of understanding of her situation epitomized Washington politics since Reagan. Voters need politicians to start recognizing their situation and do something about it.

The 2016 choice was between someone who, for all that he is vulgar and just weird, doesn't represent that Bush II attitude. Obama turned out, for all his ginned-up optimism, to just be more business-as-usual. Hillary represented more of the same policies that put voters in their present situation. So Trump was a no-brainer...and he may be again if the dems don't wise up. It's not conservative or liberal policies per se that will persuade that cadre of independent voters that any candidate needs to persuade to win. It is, rather, policies that will bring back those days when it was still possible to enjoy life.

Trump is not enough to do that. It's going to just keep getting worse until the proverbial ****e hits the proverbial fan. I expect that'll be roughly another 10-15 years, and then there will be a real reckoning--literal blood in the streets and civil unrest. Probably not outright civil war, but that is at least a possibility.
I agree with your analysis. IMO, people are expecting far too much from presidents and not enough from their representatives. Our govt is supposed to operate from the bottom up, but we find ourselves upside down in that regard. So much so that we've elected a president who thinks he has absolute immunity/privilege. I don't share your pessimism, however. I have faith in the American people, who have shown time and again proven that we can and do straighten our course over time.
 
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