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Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russia ti

redrover said:
Given the multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence agents. The FBI and the CIA would be derelict in their duty not to investigate. Have we already forgotten candidate Trump joyfully waving around the sheet of material stolen by his Russian friends. The first section of the Mueller report is damning enough before you even get to the obstruction of justice.
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Mueller Report, Volume I, page 66, second paragraph:
[In particular,] the investigation examined whether these contacts involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the
Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'll bet you believed every word out of the mouths of the Holder and Lynch DOJs too, amirite? Or just the one who sniffs Trump's panties?

Even the Sessions DOJ said there was no spying.
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Pretty hilarious that they think Jeff Sessions was overseeing an anti-conservative DoJ.


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ludin said:
If the evidence used was not true and the FBI lied about it to a court of law what do you think should be done?
FBI's spreadsheet puts a stake through the heart of Steele's dossier | TheHill
Multiple sources familiar with the FBI spreadsheet tell me the vast majority of Steele’s claims were deemed to be wrong, or could not be corroborated even with the most awesome tools available to the U.S. intelligence community. One source estimated the spreadsheet found upward of 90 percent of the dossier’s claims to be either wrong, nonverifiable or open-source intelligence found with a Google search.

In other words, it was mostly useless.

“The spreadsheet was a sea of blanks, meaning most claims couldn’t be corroborated, and those things that were found in classified intelligence suggested Steele’s intelligence was partly or totally inaccurate on several claims,” one source told me.

Comey’s confession: dossier not verified before, or after, FISA warrant | TheHill

And Comey admitted much of the dossier remained uncorroborated more than six months later when he was fired by President Trump.

So we have a corrupt director of the FBI using unverified sources of information which now turn out to be russian misinformation plants
to spy on a presidential campaign.

not only that the same heads of the FBI lied to a court of law.

where is all of that in the IG report?

that is what i thought. the IG evidence is more worried about protecting the FBI agency than doing his damn job.
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Why didn't you answer my question?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Don't hold your breath...... Read the DOJ response!!

The dead wrong people were Russian collusion believers! :peace
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Are you ready to apologize for spreading lies?


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Lutherf said:
Have you read the conclusions regarding the Carter Page FISA application? Horowitz found 17 "significant" inaccuracies and omissions between the 4 reports and that the case for probable cause consistently weakened but was never reported to the DoJ.
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But don't take the fact that all those involved had a particular political and/or personal leaning against the accused sway you into assuming that they were something more than incompetent. :roll:
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I offered a direct quote from IG report.
And you feel that an opinion piece about that report refute a direct quote from that report?

fwiw, the FISA warrant for Page is probably not identical to Crossfire Hurricane.
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That is a direct from the IG report.
without the friggen steele dossier the FBI had bumpkiss and everyone knows it.
even the FBI admitted it.

is probably means you have no clue.

you were wrong and simply can't admit it.
i have multiple sources supporting what i say.
 
ludin said:
I believe the news report
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But not the IG report which says something you don't want to hear.

How not surprising that you refuse to consume information which proves you wrong.
azgreg said:
It has to be exhausting being a Trump apologist.
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I don't know about exhausting, but it definitely requires one to have no integrity and no problem with blatantly lying.
 
Lutherf said:
Have you read the conclusions regarding the Carter Page FISA application? Horowitz found 17 "significant" inaccuracies and omissions between the 4 reports and that the case for probable cause consistently weakened but was never reported to the DoJ.
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asking leftist to acknowledge facts and that this whole thing was a crap shoot from the get go is like pulling teeth from an alligator.
 
ludin said:
That is a direct from the IG report.
without the friggen steele dossier the FBI had bumpkiss and everyone knows it.
even the FBI admitted it.

is probably means you have no clue.

you were wrong and simply can't admit it.
i have multiple sources supporting what i say.
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On what page can I find that direct quote? I've asked you already and you didn't answer.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Obama did not send spies into the Trump campaign to spy on political opponents.
Members of the Trump campaign were up to no good and LEOs investigated.
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As soon as they get ahold of Julian Assange the Wikileaks will show how the Trump campaign abused that insider information.
 
ludin said:
i posted the truth on page 1 why are not reading?
ol yea leftist hate facts.
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Nope, as has been shown by the report, you are quite wrong.

Believing endless conspiracy theories is no way to go through life.
 
ludin said:
If the evidence used was not true and the FBI lied about it to a court of law what do you think should be done?
FBI's spreadsheet puts a stake through the heart of Steele's dossier | TheHill
Multiple sources familiar with the FBI spreadsheet tell me the vast majority of Steele’s claims were deemed to be wrong, or could not be corroborated even with the most awesome tools available to the U.S. intelligence community. One source estimated the spreadsheet found upward of 90 percent of the dossier’s claims to be either wrong, nonverifiable or open-source intelligence found with a Google search.

In other words, it was mostly useless.

“The spreadsheet was a sea of blanks, meaning most claims couldn’t be corroborated, and those things that were found in classified intelligence suggested Steele’s intelligence was partly or totally inaccurate on several claims,” one source told me.

Comey’s confession: dossier not verified before, or after, FISA warrant | TheHill

And Comey admitted much of the dossier remained uncorroborated more than six months later when he was fired by President Trump.

So we have a corrupt director of the FBI using unverified sources of information which now turn out to be russian misinformation plants
to spy on a presidential campaign.

not only that the same heads of the FBI lied to a court of law.

where is all of that in the IG report?

that is what i thought. the IG evidence is more worried about protecting the FBI agency than doing his damn job.
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The Dossier at it's inception was offered by Steele as raw intel, only, not as evidence. It's disingenuous to assert that parts of it are "unverified".

Raw intel, by default, is unverified, and to say it' unverified as if that were a fault is disingenuous.


There is a distinction between an "admission" and a "determination". To assert that Comey "admitted" is a false coloration, because raw intel is expected to have wrong information by default. It would be more accurate to say he determined that some of his was not correct, which is expected of raw intel.


There is no evidence that Comey is corrupt, but there is evidence that Trump's firing of Comey was done with corrupt intent. Trump lied about Comey, and besmirched, unjustly, his reputation. Trump stated that Comey lost the confidence of the FBI's rank and file, which was, not only irresponsible for a President to say such a thing without evidence, it was false, and as such, evidence of presidential incompetence and abuse of power.
 
Winston said:
I expect a sincere apology from the conservatives who insisted on being dead wrong.


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At this point both Barr and Durham have expressed that they disagree with at least some of the IG's conclusions. Furthermore, the IG report cites a whole lot of problems with the Page FISA application. While those problems are attributed to institutional policy and procedure which allowed for such failings it does not speak well of the FBI agents and supervisors involved in this process.

This -
We are deeply concerned that so many basic and fundamental errors were
made by three separate, hand-picked investigative teams; on one of the most
sensitive FBI investigations; after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels
within the FBI; even though the information sought through use of FISA authority
related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign; and even though those
involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subjected
to close scrutiny. We believe this circumstance reflects a failure not just by those
who prepared the FISA applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in
the Crossfire Hurricane chain of command, including FBI senior officials who were
briefed as the investigation progressed. We do not expect managers and
supervisors to know every fact about an investigation, or senior leaders to know all
the details of cases about which they are briefed. However, especially in the FBl's
most sensitive and high-priority matters, and especially when seeking court
permission to use an intrusive tool such as a FISA order, it is incumbent upon the
entire chain of command, including senior officials, to take the necessary steps to
ensure that they are sufficiently familiar with the facts and circumstances
supporting and potentially undermining a FISA application in order to provide
effective oversight consistent with their level of supervisory responsibility. Such
oversight requires greater familiarity with the facts than we saw in this review,
where time and again during OIG interviews FBI managers, supervisors, and senior
officials displayed a lack of understanding or awareness of important information
concerning many of the problems we identified.
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is not exactly a glowing review of the process relied on to investigate the Trump campaign.
 
Winston said:
I expect a sincere apology from the conservatives who insisted on being dead wrong.


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apologize for what?

The FBI plotted a scheme to try and oust a presidential candidate that was concocted by at least 2 or more senior FBI agents.
During that investigation we know for a fact that they used unsupported and falsified documents and witness testimony
in order to try and further the investigation.

WE know that the heads of the FBI department lied and used unverified documents to get warrants to spy on said candidate and
campaign staff.

What what the hell should we be apologizing for?

The report showed 17 or more inconsistencies and i figure more will be outed once we get the people that were lying and changing witness testimony
so that they could be charged with perjury.

so you will be waiting a long time for an apology.
 
jmotivator said:
But don't take the fact that all those involved had a particular political and/or personal leaning against the accused sway you into assuming that they were something more than incompetent. :roll:
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Right. When I read stuff about common failures between three teams of top tier investigators I start to wonder if maybe there's more to this than mere incompetence.
 
This didn't age well...

trixare4kids said:
The Democrats couldn't care less about rooting out corruption. I think you'll see this when the Durham investigation has been completed.
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Lutherf said:
At this point both Barr and Durham have expressed that they disagree with at least some of the IG's conclusions. Furthermore, the IG report cites a whole lot of problems with the Page FISA application. While those problems are attributed to institutional policy and procedure which allowed for such failings it does not speak well of the FBI agents and supervisors involved in this process.

This -


is not exactly a glowing review of the process relied on to investigate the Trump campaign.
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I expect an apology from Barr for spreading lies as well.
 
ludin said:
apologize for what?

The FBI plotted a scheme to try and oust a presidential candidate that was concocted by at least 2 or more senior FBI agents.
During that investigation we know for a fact that they used unsupported and falsified documents and witness testimony
in order to try and further the investigation.

WE know that the heads of the FBI department lied and used unverified documents to get warrants to spy on said candidate and
campaign staff.

What what the hell should we be apologizing for?

The report showed 17 or more inconsistencies and i figure more will be outed once we get the people that were lying and changing witness testimony
so that they could be charged with perjury.

so you will be waiting a long time for an apology.
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Except reality refutes your whole conspiracy theory.
 
Lutherf said:
Have you read the conclusions regarding the Carter Page FISA application? Horowitz found 17 "significant" inaccuracies and omissions between the 4 reports and that the case for probable cause consistently weakened but was never reported to the DoJ.
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What ever happened with Carter Page is not relevant. If mistakes were made, then punish those involved. It doesn't change the outcome of the report or the 2016 election. Conservatives are pissed because they so desperately need something to make Trump look better. The plain facts are that Trump cheated in the 2016 election and is attempting to cheat in the 2020 election. That's just how he rolls. He's been that way all his life. Anyone that doesn't believe he cheated in 2016 needs to read volume one of the Mueller probe. Then read the IG report.

The DOJ and FBI did exactly what we pay them to do.
 
ludin said:
When you send in undercover agents then yes you are spying.
that is the very definition of spying.

What is worse is when what you are using as evidence was not verified and turns out to be 100% false.
not only that but you lie to a court of lie to even start the spying to begin with.
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It is wrong and unfair to color legit FBI counter intel investigating as "spying".

'Spying' traditionally speaking, at the level that it is being applied, is a term referring to what countries do to other countries.

Loosely speaking, it could be used as you suggest, but it's disingenuous to assert that the FBI are spies, as it implies misconduct.

As it is being used by republicans and AG Barr, is done in furtherance of a right wing agenda.
 
Looks like conservatives aren't ready to grow up today
 
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