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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That's not what you did.
    Iirc, I didn't say that was what I did.
    I asked if you thought you could take the number of voting age Americans and multiply it by the percentage?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That's not what you did.

    You took an aggregate of polling numbers, and applied the percentage to the total population of the US.

    You posted this:

    176,344,000 everyday American think Trump sucks as PotUS.
    159,236,000 everyday American think Trump should be impeached.

    The first number you posted is 53% of the TOTAL population of the country. That's not just voting age Americans.

    The second number is 48% of the TOTAL population of the country. Again, that's not just voting age Americans, that's a percentage of the total population.

    Too funny.
    Here is how polling works typically: Several thousand people from a sampling of Americans are asked, "If the president is found guilty of having conspired to dig up false information on his political opponent by strong-arming foreign leaders for personal reasons do you think he should be impeached?"

    The poll results of taken from thousands of Americans indicate 159,236,000 of them want him impeached.

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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Iirc, I didn't say that was what I did.
    I asked if you thought you could take the number of voting age Americans and multiply it by the percentage?
    This whole exchange started with your ridiculous claim, which was wrong, and to which you have never owned up to.

    As to your question, if that is who the poll was directed, you could infer that the results could extrapolate to all voting age Americans. They don't, but that is the suggestion polls try to make.
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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Here is how polling works typically: Several thousand people from a sampling of Americans are asked, "If the president is found guilty of having conspired to dig up false information on his political opponent by strong-arming foreign leaders for personal reasons do you think he should be impeached?"

    The poll results of taken from thousands of Americans indicate 159,236,000 of them want him impeached.
    Pretty much.

    Most articles citing polls will provide a link to the actual poll itself, where the questions and methodology can be viewed.

    Most polls are taken from @ 1,000 people because that number is mathematically considered a sufficient sample size to provide a reasonable margin of error in the results.

    The questions asked are where the people who pay for the polling get the results they are paying for. That's why people should read the actual poll questions, rather than the spin that is given to them.
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    "Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country,”

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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    I think a lot of them lose sleep over Carter Page.

    Protecting Carter Page has always been a big part of this idiotic narrative.

    I do not know why.

    It is one of the more intreaguing aspects of the Trump/‘Russia scandal.
    I don't know why either. It seems Trump Fan Nation is obsessed with Carter Page. It's both sad and creepy how much they lose sleep over a man who doesn't even know they're alive, let alone care about them.
    It's disgraceful. I'm going to maybe and I'm looking at it very seriously. We're doing some other things that you probably noticed like some of the very important things that we're doing now. But we're looking at it very seriously because you can't do that. - President Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know why either. It seems Trump Fan Nation is obsessed with Carter Page. It's both sad and creepy how much they lose sleep over a man who doesn't even know they're alive, let alone care about them.
    I'm not a Trump fan, I'm not obsessed with Carter Page, and it matters not to me whether he knows I'm alive, much less cares. What a dumb remark.

    What does matter is what happened to Carter Page. ALL of us should be concerned about this.

    From Kevin Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, writing at The Hill:

    And, in what amounts to a profound disgrace to everything the FBI stands for, the team obtained authorization to electronically eavesdrop on a U.S. citizen, former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, through duplicity — by withholding information, falsifying information, using uncorroborated information, and by using a source whom the FBI knew was unreliable and not credible.

    And they did it four times.

    The abuse of Carter Page by this team at the top of the FBI is unconscionable. The report is troubling to read for anyone who has been part of that storied institution. May it spur all appropriate reforms that will help restore confidence in the FBI’s vital objectivity and unbiased mandate. Misfired 'Hurricane': Comey's team abused Carter Page and the FBI | TheHill

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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

    Quote Originally Posted by Exactice View Post
    Thanks for your response a well balanced and thought out discussion!

    With that being said to continue on you have brought up specifics that need to be addressed as well.

    You are CORRECT there was others that were pursued by the FBI, but currently on the books we only know of the FISA of carter page. The other sources at this time did NOT have an active FISA on them

    This is a significant difference. What I mean is.

    1) using CHS as a legal means is a common element. But this LIMITS the specific scope of the CHS's ability to interact.
    2) THE FISA is a tool that is able to collect data on the target and any specific time.
    3) THE CHS is limited in collection of direct data and communication
    4) The FISA has indirect collection as they are able to monitor all contact by the target. AGAIN if Carter page managed to call Trump. The FISA may have the ability to collect this Phone call and record. While Trump would needed to be masked in the disclosure they HAVE IT. Only if in a criminal action could it be revealed. THIS IS HIGHLY intrusive to a NON criminal. During the Period of Carter page's active FISA data was collected the whole time.


    OK so.... that fact that is concerning, They could have used a CHS on Page and NOT a FISA, but they targeted Page, they omitted exculpatory evidence to push the application through. WHY was Page such the heavy target, or..... was page NOT the actual target... the indirect collection of data by using page as the conduit was the ACTUAL reason........ A low level person that wasnt even charged with a crime. The better person IF anything would have been MANAFORT, they should have put a FISA on HIM.... But he would be TOO high level and TOO suspicious no?



    Anyways again, You highlight that there were additional sources and I can concede, but the issue is the FISA was only used on Page why? And more so it was altered to push through.


    NOW The Predicate to initiate investigations is one but to continue and maintain an investigation with omitted exculpatory evidence is the BIGGEST ISSUE. And even bigger issue. THAT is whats being over looked in my opinion and dusted under the rug
    I've already explained that - because of Carter Page's constant travels abroad coupled with so many people in the Trump campaign having ties to Russians, it was easier to survey Page than anyone else because of his coming and going abroad. But again, had the FBI been honest about Carter Page also working with another domestic intelligence agency, they couldn't have obtained approval on those FISA warrants.
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    Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I've already explained that - because of Carter Page's constant travels abroad coupled with so many people in the Trump campaign having ties to Russians, it was easier to survey Page than anyone else because of his coming and going abroad. But again, had the FBI been honest about Carter Page also working with another domestic intelligence agency, they couldn't have obtained approval on those FISA warrants.
    Sorry I may have been unclear.

    The Predicate is justified, Per say, But here is the thing, Page could have been surveillance in a traditional manner? CHS (Confidential Human Sources) . What did Page actually have, to have been the target of a FISA. Sure he went back and forth, but what potential crime did he commit? Its Now confirmed that the Dossier was a large part of the Application. It is now confirmed with 17 significant errors to include exculpatory evidence and as you mentioned he working for a domestic intelligence Agency. THEY (someone) had to LIE to get the FISA.

    But if the FBI was concerned about Trump coordinating with Russian's could they have justified ANOTHER actual target without having to use Carter Page and then falsify his FISA app? Do you see what I am trying to say, what real value did he have "legitimately" He did NOT have any legitimate value. BUT I think the FISA was used under the Page pretense to "Monitor" the Trump campaign. Not because Page was the actual Target.

    That was the REAL reason for using Page. Page is STILL not accused of any crime. YET they used a FISA on him for his justification of "constant travels abroad".
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