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tres borrachos said:
I don't know why either. It seems Trump Fan Nation is obsessed with Carter Page. It's both sad and creepy how much they lose sleep over a man who doesn't even know they're alive, let alone care about them.
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I'm not a Trump fan, I'm not obsessed with Carter Page, and it matters not to me whether he knows I'm alive, much less cares. What a dumb remark.

What does matter is what happened to Carter Page. ALL of us should be concerned about this.

From Kevin Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, writing at The Hill:

And, in what amounts to a profound disgrace to everything the FBI stands for, the team obtained authorization to electronically eavesdrop on a U.S. citizen, former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, through duplicity — by withholding information, falsifying information, using uncorroborated information, and by using a source whom the FBI knew was unreliable and not credible.

And they did it four times.

The abuse of Carter Page by this team at the top of the FBI is unconscionable. The report is troubling to read for anyone who has been part of that storied institution. May it spur all appropriate reforms that will help restore confidence in the FBI’s vital objectivity and unbiased mandate. Misfired 'Hurricane': Comey's team abused Carter Page and the FBI | TheHill
 
Exactice said:
Thanks for your response a well balanced and thought out discussion!

With that being said to continue on you have brought up specifics that need to be addressed as well.

You are CORRECT there was others that were pursued by the FBI, but currently on the books we only know of the FISA of carter page. The other sources at this time did NOT have an active FISA on them

This is a significant difference. What I mean is.

1) using CHS as a legal means is a common element. But this LIMITS the specific scope of the CHS's ability to interact.
2) THE FISA is a tool that is able to collect data on the target and any specific time.
3) THE CHS is limited in collection of direct data and communication
4) The FISA has indirect collection as they are able to monitor all contact by the target. AGAIN if Carter page managed to call Trump. The FISA may have the ability to collect this Phone call and record. While Trump would needed to be masked in the disclosure they HAVE IT. Only if in a criminal action could it be revealed. THIS IS HIGHLY intrusive to a NON criminal. During the Period of Carter page's active FISA data was collected the whole time.


OK so.... that fact that is concerning, They could have used a CHS on Page and NOT a FISA, but they targeted Page, they omitted exculpatory evidence to push the application through. WHY was Page such the heavy target, or..... was page NOT the actual target... the indirect collection of data by using page as the conduit was the ACTUAL reason........ A low level person that wasnt even charged with a crime. The better person IF anything would have been MANAFORT, they should have put a FISA on HIM.... But he would be TOO high level and TOO suspicious no?



Anyways again, You highlight that there were additional sources and I can concede, but the issue is the FISA was only used on Page why? And more so it was altered to push through.


NOW The Predicate to initiate investigations is one but to continue and maintain an investigation with omitted exculpatory evidence is the BIGGEST ISSUE. And even bigger issue. THAT is whats being over looked in my opinion and dusted under the rug
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I've already explained that - because of Carter Page's constant travels abroad coupled with so many people in the Trump campaign having ties to Russians, it was easier to survey Page than anyone else because of his coming and going abroad. But again, had the FBI been honest about Carter Page also working with another domestic intelligence agency, they couldn't have obtained approval on those FISA warrants.
 
Objective Voice said:
I've already explained that - because of Carter Page's constant travels abroad coupled with so many people in the Trump campaign having ties to Russians, it was easier to survey Page than anyone else because of his coming and going abroad. But again, had the FBI been honest about Carter Page also working with another domestic intelligence agency, they couldn't have obtained approval on those FISA warrants.
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Sorry I may have been unclear.

The Predicate is justified, Per say, But here is the thing, Page could have been surveillance in a traditional manner? CHS (Confidential Human Sources) . What did Page actually have, to have been the target of a FISA. Sure he went back and forth, but what potential crime did he commit? Its Now confirmed that the Dossier was a large part of the Application. It is now confirmed with 17 significant errors to include exculpatory evidence and as you mentioned he working for a domestic intelligence Agency. THEY (someone) had to LIE to get the FISA.

But if the FBI was concerned about Trump coordinating with Russian's could they have justified ANOTHER actual target without having to use Carter Page and then falsify his FISA app? Do you see what I am trying to say, what real value did he have "legitimately" He did NOT have any legitimate value. BUT I think the FISA was used under the Page pretense to "Monitor" the Trump campaign. Not because Page was the actual Target.

That was the REAL reason for using Page. Page is STILL not accused of any crime. YET they used a FISA on him for his justification of "constant travels abroad".
 
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