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Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russia ti

Did you previously realize that telling 63 million everyday Americans to **** off is probably not a good political move?
176,344,000 everyday American think Trump sucks as PotUS.
159,236,000 everyday American think Trump should be impeached.
As such, I doubt that your claim about everyday Americans seeing impeachment etc. as a trick. as you implied.
That view is, at best, a minority view.
I suspect that only a fraction of the folks who do not wish to see Trump impeached feel impeachment is some sort of a trick.
So that view could be a distant outlier.

If you want to use ad populum, you should at least get your numbers straight.
imho
ymmv
 
176,344,000 everyday American think Trump sucks as PotUS.
159,236,000 everyday American think Trump should be impeached.
As such, I doubt that your claim about everyday Americans seeing impeachment etc. as a trick. as you implied.
That view is, at best, a minority view.
I suspect that only a fraction of the folks who do not wish to see Trump impeached feel impeachment is some sort of a trick.
So that view could be a distant outlier.

If you want to use ad populum, you should at least get your numbers straight.
imho
ymmv

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Oh dang! One of funniest posts of the morning.

Post a link that proves your numbers.

Post the link.

Prove those numbers.

Prove it.

:lamo
 
We all wish the Republicans in Congress grew spines and cared more about the constitution then they did their own jobs. If they did, as they did in 74, it would be bipartisan. But they do not so it will be a straight party vote. Let it be known across the land, from here to there, across the seas and beyond the horizons, Donald J. Trump will be impeached for abuse of powers and obstruction of Congress. The House has defended itself and America against a madman. Now it is up to the Senate, lets hope some of them remember they swore an oath to a constitution not an oath of fealty.

This won't be like 74. This will be like 99 when Bill Clinton was acquitted of perjury and obstruction of justice on a straight party line vote. Not a single Senate Democrat voted to convict on either article of impeachment.

Back to Trump, you *might* get 1 GOP vote in the Senate (Romney), but that's not certain. More likely 2 or 3 Senate Dems will defect and vote to acquit Trump in his Senate trial.

Trump will come out of this stronger than before and this will help him win the 2020 election.
 
Was the right as insane in 99 as the left is behaving now? I recall having political discussions with friends and coworkers about whether Clinton's actions rose to the level of impeachment, but I don't ever recall thinking anyone who supported acquittal was a bad person and a traitor.
 
What about the 65 million+ Americans that Trump, you and other minions, are telling to **** off?

We're not telling them to **** off.

It's not our fault those 65 million people align themselves with obsessed traitors who are trying to destroy the Constitution.
 
This won't be like 74. This will be like 99 when Bill Clinton was acquitted of perjury and obstruction of justice on a straight party line vote. Not a single Senate Democrat voted to convict on either article of impeachment.

Back to Trump, you *might* get 1 GOP vote in the Senate (Romney), but that's not certain. More likely 2 or 3 Senate Dems will defect and vote to acquit Trump in his Senate trial.

Trump will come out of this stronger than before and this will help him win the 2020 election.

If he wins again, the nation will never recover. It is that simple. Do you want the nation he sold as great to re-emerge or do you want the nation he wants to create which is nothing like the one he sold his supporters. If you cannot follow my logic here then you will likely fall for the con job. If you see the logic here, you must vote for anyone but Trump.
 
Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

:2funny:

Oh dang! One of funniest posts of the morning.

Post a link that proves your numbers.

Post the link.

Prove those numbers.

Prove it.

:lamo




population of the United States 2019 - Google Search

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump? | FiveThirtyEight



Can you do the math yourself?
Or would you like help?
 
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:2rofll:

You think poll results can be applied to total population?

Holy crap!

Answers many questions about how people on the left think...………

:cuckoo:
 
If he wins again, the nation will never recover. It is that simple. Do you want the nation he sold as great to re-emerge or do you want the nation he wants to create which is nothing like the one he sold his supporters. If you cannot follow my logic here then you will likely fall for the con job. If you see the logic here, you must vote for anyone but Trump.

Don't be so melodramatic and I see no logic from you, only emotion. The nation will survive Trump.

And I did not vote for him in 2016 and I probably won't vote for him in 2020.

But thanks for not thinking me a bad person, only a fool who will "likely fall for the con job". I don't recall thinking any of my Dem friends were fools in 99, but well..., Trump!
 
Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s Russi

The Inspector General’s ‘Witch Hunt’ Report: A Quick and Dirty Analysis - Lawfare

The Inspector General’s ‘Witch Hunt’ Report: A Quick and Dirty Analysis

When you see folks crowing about errors in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications and the misconduct described in the inspector general’s report released on Dec. 9, take a deep breath and try to remember the allegations that sparked this review of the Russia investigation. It wasn’t that long ago. You can do it if you try. The allegations weren’t about sloppy handling of a FISA application, serious though that issue undoubtedly is. They weren’t even about an FBI lawyer altering an email.

They were about whether the FBI’s Russia investigation was a malicious “WITCH HUNT!”:

  • The president repeatedly accused FBI officials of “treason”—and of plotting a coup.
  • Citing a text from Peter Strzok to Lisa Page, he declared that the Russia investigation was an “insurance policy” against his election—and that the texts between them revealed the deep political bias that drove the entire investigation.
  • The attorney general warned darkly of FBI “spying” on the Trump campaign and publicly questioned whether the Russia investigation was properly predicated.
  • A veritable industry arose suggesting that the investigation began earlier than the FBI acknowledged, an industry the attorney general personally helped cultivate.
  • The president suggested that his wires had been tapped, even as Devin Nunes insisted that the FBI was engaged in illegal surveillance of Carter Page.
  • We were assured of scandal related to the FBI’s use of confidential informants, just as we were assured that the entire investigation was predicated on the “dossier” of Christopher Steele.
Remember?

Hundreds and hundreds of television hours and countless articles, each more breathless than the next, were devoted to propagating these claims, which were repeated so often that they have become truths for millions of Americans. Even though they were never true.

On Dec. 9, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz declared in more than 450 pages that the “Witch Hunt” narrative was nonsense. Yes, the investigation had problems—some of them serious. But the problems were not political in character. There was no effort to “get” candidate Trump. There was no “insurance policy.” There was no coup. There was no treason.

There was, rather, a properly predicated investigation that began when the FBI has always said it began and because of the information the FBI has always said triggered it. The investigation used proper investigative techniques. And while there were errors along the way, a degree of sloppiness that warrants addressing seriously, the inspector general does not find that any authorized surveillance was illegal.

I have not read the report in detail yet. But here are some initial thoughts following an effort to digest its major findings quickly.

Perhaps the most important calumny thrown the FBI’s way over the past two years has been the idea that there was a “deep state” coup plotted there by treasonous bureaucrats out to sink the Trump campaign, and later the Trump presidency. As Trump likes to tell the story, Strzok and Page were at the center of the plot and the text between them about the “insurance policy” was a kind of lynchpin. The insurance policy in case Trump won the election was the Russia investigation.

Continued next post...
 
Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

But Horowitz—who has been sharply critical of Strzok and Page over their text messages—makes clear that the investigation’s opening had nothing to do with politics:

We found that while she attended some of the discussions, Lisa Page did not play a role in the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane or the four individual cases. Strzok was directly involved in the decisions to open Crossfire Hurricane and the four individual cases, but we found that he was not the sole, or even the highest level decision maker as to any of those matters. [Bill] Priestap, Strzok’s supervisor, told us that ultimately he was the official who made the decision to open the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, and Strzok then prepared and approved the formal documentation, as required by the DIOG. Evidence reflected that this decision by Priestap was reached by consensus after multiple days of discussions and meetings that included Strzok and other leadership in CD, the FBI Deputy Director, the FBI General Counsel, and the FBI Deputy General Counsel. We similarly found that the decisions to open the four individual cases were reached by consensus of Crossfire Hurricane agents and analysts who identified individuals associated with the Trump campaign who had recently travelled to Russia or had other alleged ties to Russia, and that Priestap was involved in those decisions. The formal documentation opening each of these four investigations was approved by Strzok, as required by the DIOG.

We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced Priestap’s decision to open Crossfire Hurricane. The evidence also showed that FBI officials responsible for and involved in the case opening decisions were unanimous in their belief that, together with the July 2016 release by WikiLeaks of hacked DNC emails, the Papadopoulos statement described in the FFG information reflected the Russian government’s potential next step to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. These FBI officials were similarly unanimous in their belief that the FFG information represented a threat to national security that warranted further investigation by the FBI. Witnesses told us that they did not recall observing during these discussions any instances or indications of improper motivations or political bias on the part of the participants, including Strzok.

Note an interesting feature of this passage. The investigation was not an investigation of the Trump campaign. It was four investigations of individuals—Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn—associated with the campaign but about whom there was specific reason for concern. In other words, investigators were not spying on the Trump campaign. They had concerns about specific people and their relationship with Russia, just as the FBI has always said.

This, of course, raises the question of whether the FBI had adequate predication for these investigations. What does Horowitz say on this point?

We ... concluded that the FBI had sufficient predication to open full counterintelligence investigations of Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn, and Manafort in August 2016. The investigation of Papadopoulos was predicated upon his alleged statements in May 2016 to an employee of [an allied foreign government]. According to the opening [electronic communication], Papadopoulos was “identical to the individual who made statements indicating that he is knowledgeable that the Russians made a suggestion to the Trump team that they could assist the Trump campaign with an anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to the Clinton campaign.” The three other cases were predicated on information developed by the Crossfire Hurricane team through law enforcement database and open source searches, conducted to determine which individuals associated with the Trump campaign may have been in a position to have received the alleged offer of assistance from Russia.

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Re: Inspector general report says FBI had ‘authorized purpose’ to investigate Trump campaign’s

This brings me to the next key point: The investigation did, in fact, begin when the Australian government communicated to the U.S. information about Papadopoulos’s conversation with the former foreign minister, Alexander Downer, in London:

In Crossfire Hurricane, the “articulable factual basis” set forth in the opening EC was the FFG information received from an FBI Legal Attache stating that Papadopoulos had suggested during a meeting in May 2016 with officials from a “trusted foreign partner” that the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist by releasing information damaging to candidate Clinton and President Obama. Additionally, by July 31, 2016, although not specifically mentioned in the EC, the FBI had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the WikiLeaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016.

The report makes clear that the Steele dossier had nothing to do with the predication of the investigation. “How many trees died and pixels were scrambled peddling the lie that Steele dossier kicking off the probe?” asked Jonathan Alter pithily on Twitter today. All of the trees died in vain. Here’s what Horowitz has to say on the subject: “FBI Headquarters and the members of the Crossfire Hurricane team did not receive the first Steele reports until September 19—weeks after the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was opened—and were not aware of any of the information in the reports prior to that date.” It also “found no evidence that the FBI undertook any investigative activities directed at the Trump campaign or members of the Trump campaign before opening Crossfire Hurricane on July 31, 2016.”

And no, the infamous Maltese professor, Joseph Mifsud, who supposedly told Papadopoulos about the Russian plans—who was believed by the FBI to be a Russia cutout but was widely believed in the right-wing fever swamp to be a U.S. asset of some kind—was not working for the FBI, after all: “[T]he OIG searched the FBI’s database of Confidential Human Sources (CHSs) and did not find any records indicating that Mifsud was an FBI CHS, or that Mifsud’s discussions with Papadopoulos were part of any FBI operation.”

But surely there was mishandling of confidential informants, right? Something too aggressive with respect to some European academic or some beautiful young woman sent to lure innocent patriots to Trump’s doom? Well, nope. While Horowitz criticizes aspects of the FBI’s relationship with Steele, he does not take issue with the decision to use his reporting. As to other confidential sources, he writes, “We concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving [such sources] received the necessary FBI approvals and complied with applicable Department and FBI policies.”
 
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:2rofll:
You think poll results can be applied to total population?
Holy crap!
Answers many questions about how people on the left think...………
:cuckoo:

What do polls apply to?
 
Don't be so melodramatic and I see no logic from you, only emotion. The nation will survive Trump.

And I did not vote for him in 2016 and I probably won't vote for him in 2020.

But thanks for not thinking me a bad person, only a fool who will "likely fall for the con job". I don't recall thinking any of my Dem friends were fools in 99, but well..., Trump!

I am merely stating the obvious. There is a good reason why he is being impeached. The danger is in his establishment of the imperial Presidency and what apparently is the total abdication by Republicans of any duty other then self-dealing. I am sorry but the America we once knew has been damaged beyond repair to millions of Americans and to the international community. No one will ever trust us again.
 
I am merely stating the obvious. There is a good reason why he is being impeached. The danger is in his establishment of the imperial Presidency and what apparently is the total abdication by Republicans of any duty other then self-dealing. I am sorry but the America we once knew has been damaged beyond repair to millions of Americans and to the international community. No one will ever trust us again.

It is obvious only to you because there is no logic involved. And Trump (who is much less of a unitary president than the one who came before) is being impeached purely for political reasons IMO.
 
It is obvious only to you because there is no logic involved. And Trump (who is much less of a unitary president than the one who came before) is

I don't recall Obama ever claiming "absolute immunity."

Do you believe Trump should be immune from any and all criminal investigations while in office?

Do you believe the Trump administration should be allowed to prevent any and all witnesses and any and all documents from being presented to House committees responsible for overseeing and investigating the executive branch?

Obama never made these claims, claims, if allowed would essentially put Trump above the Rule of Law.
 
We're not telling them to **** off.


It's not our fault those 65 million people align themselves with obsessed traitors who are trying to destroy the Constitution.
I hope you are watching the IG hearing today. Oh my my my, the FBI. If you are a peon in the FBI, you better duck and cover. According to the IG report, either Comey lied to the FISA court, or he was willfully ignorant. These types turn on people and throw underlings to the lions. This FISA thing looks bad..... real bad......
 
Watching the hearings today, and listening to AM radio and Fox News over the past couple of days, it is quite apparent that Republicans have decided to just lie about the IG's report in order to curry favor with the thug-in-chief, despite the fact the IG has now officially destroyed every idiotic conspiracy theory Trump and his supporters have been pushing for the past 3 years.
 
I don't recall Obama ever claiming "absolute immunity."

Do you believe Trump should be immune from any and all criminal investigations while in office?

Do you believe the Trump administration should be allowed to prevent any and all witnesses and any and all documents from being presented to House committees responsible for overseeing and investigating the executive branch?

Obama never made these claims, claims, if allowed would essentially put Trump above the Rule of Law.

Obama fought tooth and nail to keep documents being released pertaining to the so-called fast and furious scandal.
Moreover, the house wasnt engaged in 'oversite.' Their objective was impeachment. Perhaps if they were a little more benign in how they approached it, they would not have faced such a response.
 
Obama fought tooth and nail to keep documents being released pertaining to the so-called fast and furious scandal.
Moreover, the house wasnt engaged in 'oversite.' Their objective was impeachment. Perhaps if they were a little more benign in how they approached it, they would not have faced such a response.
Certain documents. They released thousands of pages. That's not blanket immunity as Swampy is claiming. Impeachment is a prime reason why Congress has a right to those documents, as it is the ultimate oversight.
 
Watching the hearings today, and listening to AM radio and Fox News over the past couple of days, it is quite apparent that Republicans have decided to just lie about the IG's report in order to curry favor with the thug-in-chief, despite the fact the IG has now officially destroyed every idiotic conspiracy theory Trump and his supporters have been pushing for the past 3 years.

The only relevant conspiracy theory over the past three years was the one that said Trump conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
That's been the conspiracy theory that has caused such political turmoil in this country.

The only thing Trump & Co. said in response was said there was nothing to really support the theory, and were trying to find out why the Obama Admin still went full steam ahead.
 
Certain documents. They released thousands of pages. That's not blanket immunity as Swampy is claiming. Impeachment is a prime reason why Congress has a right to those documents, as it is the ultimate oversight.

Then Congress can go to court to challenge.
 
Watching the hearings today, and listening to AM radio and Fox News over the past couple of days, it is quite apparent that Republicans have decided to just lie about the IG's report in order to curry favor with the thug-in-chief, despite the fact the IG has now officially destroyed every idiotic conspiracy theory Trump and his supporters have been pushing for the past 3 years.

So, you believe the IG is lying about the 17 ... ahem.....” inaccuracies “ in the 4 FISA attempts to spy on a US citizen? Was the IG lying about a FISA that stated the CIA didn’t know Carter Page, when they actually did? Hmmmm, interesting.
 
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