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North Korea’s U.N. Envoy Says Denuclearization Off Table

SLC said:
China's GDP grew at its slowest pace last quarter as it has in 271/2 years
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So? It is still the fastest growing economy in the world. It is growing now at over twice the U.S rate under Trump.
 
Sabre said:
No need to be impressed, looks almost to be a training saddle and his short little legs barely fit around the horse.

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That looks to be a general purpose saddle. Arabians have broad backsides.
 
iguanaman said:
So? It is still the fastest growing economy in the world. It is growing now at over twice the U.S rate under Trump.
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The only thing growing in China these days is the level of pollutants in the air'
 
Cardinal said:
The North Korean ambassador’s statement is the most blunt demonstration that North Korea doesn’t need the United States now that they got what they wanted, which was for the United States President to treat North Korea as a legitimate state actor as well as to weaken our Asian alliances. Now, they’ve got their nukes, they’ve got official US recognition and global legitimacy, and they’ve fractured the wall of countries dedicated to containing them.

This is why Obama never visited North Korea or spoke with Kim Jong Un personally. That was a crucial currency we were withholding in order to get concessions. Another negotiation card we could have used was the suspension of military exercises with South Korea, but like a personal face-to-face, trump also handed that over in return for nothing.

But hey. At least he tried.



Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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Thats right, he tried. It cost us nothing tangable nor did kim get anything tangable out of it.

What kim lost out of this was Trumps trust. I dont expect him to be the first in giving anything in good faith again.

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Mycroft said:
This has nothing to do with NK...and everything to do with China.

Trump was using NK against China and China is using NK against the US.

But you can be sure that NK won't be getting froggy with their missiles and their nukes because they know that Trump will raise tariffs on China.

Oh...and keep in mind that the NK economy depends on China. If China's economy goes down the tubes, so does NK's.
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Thats an interesting take on how the two economies are dependent on each other.

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trouble13 said:
Thats right, he tried. It cost us nothing tangable nor did kim get anything tangable out of it.

What kim lost out of this was Trumps trust. I dont expect him to be the first in giving anything in good faith again.

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Good god. You're like a gambler who lost all his money playing the slots and believe that the casino got nothing.
 
trouble13 said:
Thats right, he tried. It cost us nothing tangable nor did kim get anything tangable out of it.

What kim lost out of this was Trumps trust. I dont expect him to be the first in giving anything in good faith again.

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Now that's a bright face.

Where did you learn to paint like that?
 
Cardinal said:
Good god. You're like a gambler who lost all his money playing the slots and believe that the casino got nothing.
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It's a fine narrative, and actually, it was the President who got to meet Un although he had nothing to preach either.
 
SLC said:
China's GDP grew at its slowest pace last quarter as it has in 271/2 years
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still 3 times faster than the US growth 6% Vs 2% .... Some folk will say Trump was played by Kim to legitimize his North Korean regime but the fact is America/Trump made the mistake thinking that North Korea would disarm without giving them something in return, had the US lifted sanctions step by step this would have given North Korea the incentive to denuclearise .... North Korea is a poor country and the cost to denuclearise was solely going to be a burden for North Korea ... America and Trump have no one else to blame but themselves ... so much for the floating fat man's deal making prowess again
 
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Godric1970 said:
still 3 times faster than the US growth 6% Vs 2% .... the fact is America/Trump made the mistake thinking that North Korea would disarm without nothing in return, had the US lifted sanctions step by step this would have given North Korea the incentive to denuclearise .... North Korea is a poor country and the cost to de nuclearise was solely going to be a burden for North Korea ... America and Trump have no one else to blame but themselves
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Everyone involved has their responsibility in the co-creation.

This is what Un hopes to use against us with his weapons.

All he needs is a good economy and he can build a big one and try it.

Come marching over here in the aftermath and harass, to say the least, our de-gunned public, just to be doing that instead of what he is now.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Don't you even understand how tariffs are collected?
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I do.

Do you understand the steps China is taking so that American consumer don't stop buying their products?
 
Godric1970 said:
still 3 times faster than the US growth 6% Vs 2% .... Some folk will say Trump was played by Kim to legitimize his North Korean regime but the fact is America/Trump made the mistake thinking that North Korea would disarm without giving them something in return, had the US lifted sanctions step by step this would have given North Korea the incentive to denuclearise .... North Korea is a poor country and the cost to denuclearise was solely going to be a burden for North Korea ... America and Trump have no one else to blame but themselves ... so much for the floating fat man's deal making prowess again
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LOL NK has repeatedly cheated every time we have lifted sanctions before. What makes you think this time would be any different?
 
trouble13 said:
Thats an interesting take on how the two economies are dependent on each other.

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China isn't dependent upon NK, but NK is useful to China. That's why China is financing NK. And that gives China to tell NK what they will do.
 
Mycroft said:
I do.

Do you understand the steps China is taking so that American consumer don't stop buying their products?
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I understand that Trump is a liar and that you are repeating his lies. In most all cases the "American consumer" has no choice but paying the increased prices caused by the tariffs.

Given that tariffs last year raised the import costs of Chinese goods roughly 6 percent on average, if Chinese firms had cut prices to offset Trump’s tariffs the index would have fallen 6 percent since last June — when the trade war started. Yet the index has fallen barely 1 percent, and at least some of that tiny decline can be explained by Chinese currency depreciation — which makes Chinese goods cheaper for U.S. importers. There is, therefore, no evidence supporting Navarro’s claim. Americans are, in fact, bearing the burden of Trump’s China tariffs.

Trump’s second claim is that tariffs are “filling U.S. coffers.” China tariffs, recall, were allegedly bringing in “hundreds of billions of dollars.” Yet this, too, is false. Government data show that they netted just over $8 billion in 2018. Extrapolating forward through the end of May, total revenue from Trump’s China tariffs has therefore been about $20 billion — a small fraction of what the president asserts.
More important, as of May, Trump has authorized nearly $26 billion in compensation to U.S. farmers for the losses they have suffered to date from Chinese retaliatory actions. This compensation is $6 billion more than the total estimated China tariff revenue. Far from “filling U.S. coffers,” then, Trump’s tariffs have been draining them at an accelerating pace.
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Tariffs Have Not Been Paid by China; They Have Not Raised Revenue on Net – AIER
 
Exquisitor said:
Un wants the fruit with which the young boy and his people were deceived; glory, power, conquest, control and inter-stellar Kingdom.

They did everything the deceiver said and lost their thronerooms to the present ten million year cycle; noon of the universe; the minute or so it takes the Sun to pass the meridian.

The deciever told them to take their Father, Son and Holy Ghost and (shh, don't do this) "Jump through a black hole."

Un was the only soul to escape the seal.

In the midnight of their big bang, they are a more advanced group of souls, than those appearing at the noon.
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Jong Un is his given name. Kim is his family name. Calling him Un doesn't make any sense.
 
Mycroft said:
This has nothing to do with NK...and everything to do with China.

Trump was using NK against China and China is using NK against the US.

But you can be sure that NK won't be getting froggy with their missiles and their nukes because they know that Trump will raise tariffs on China.

Oh...and keep in mind that the NK economy depends on China. If China's economy goes down the tubes, so does NK's.
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We don't and never have controlled China .

Psssst, China's economy goes down the drain, so does ours.
 
Mycroft said:
China isn't dependent upon NK, but NK is useful to China. That's why China is financing NK. And that gives China to tell NK what they will do.
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Yes it was a poorly worded statement. Linked may of been a better choice of verbage.

What you said is valid. Both economies do rely on eachother. Obviously NK relies on China to a geater extent than China does them.

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SLC said:
China's GDP grew at its slowest pace last quarter as it has in 271/2 years
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Wait a minute. China's GDP growth at 6.0% is slow, yet we're supposed to be thrilled about the US's 2.1% growth over the same period?
 
trouble13 said:
Thats right, he tried. It cost us nothing tangable nor did kim get anything tangable out of it.

What kim lost out of this was Trumps trust. I dont expect him to be the first in giving anything in good faith again.

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Why the **** did the North Korean dictator have the American president's trust in the first place?
 
iguanaman said:
I understand that Trump is a liar and that you are repeating his lies. In most all cases the "American consumer" has no choice but paying the increased prices caused by the tariffs.



Tariffs Have Not Been Paid by China; They Have Not Raised Revenue on Net – AIER
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That writer is just plain wrong.

China responded to the tariffs in three different ways.

1. Reduced prices. This allows importers to continue buying Chinese products and keep the prices to consumers low...even when they have to pay the tariff.

2. Government subsidies to Chinese manufacturers. This allows those manufacturers to reduce their prices.

3. Devalued currency. This allows the importers to buy more for less...even when they have to pay the tariff.

But there are other results of the tariffs, one of which is importers are looking for other sources of products. That is called moving the supply chains...away from China. This takes a bit of time, but it is happening and it's increasing.

This graphic shows the results.

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btw, that tariff money coming in...you know, that was paid by the importers...that covered the money paid to the farmers. So, in reality, not only did China pay for the tariffs, they paid the farmers, too. And they are STILL doing it.

The US consumers haven't paid a dime of the tariffs. Consumer price inflation has been virtually non-existent.
 
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