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House Passes Voting Rights Bill Despite Near Unanimous Republican Opposition

Chomsky said:
Whiskey! Tango! Foxtrot!

We're regressing! :doh
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Not a problem, all that is required is that every person who wants to vote produce THREE pieces of government issued photo ID. That way the odds of voter fraud are reduced massively (and the speed with which the election results can be tabulated would be greatly increased).

I mean, I have FOUR pieces of government issue photo ID (and can get a fifth if I ask for it), so it should be really easy for someone to come up with THREE - right?
 
Grim17 said:
The purpose of the bill in a nut shell, is to prevent states from being able to pass and enforce voter ID laws.

Voter ID laws protect the integrity of our elections. Having to show a legal id at the polls not only assures that those who show up to vote on election day have the legal right to vote in the US, it also helps prevent voter fraud by stopping people from casting someone else's vote, or trying to vote one or more times using fraudulent voter registrations.

The bill deserves to be voted down, and besides that, the federal government has no business getting involved in any state's election laws anyway.
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Would you like to give me a short review of why the provisions set out in "ID to Vote" would be inappropriate?
 
j brown's body said:
The bill has little chance of becoming law given opposition in the Republican-controlled Senate and by President Trump, whose aides issued a veto threat against it this week.
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Obviously not. Keeping brown skinned people from voting is one of the primary Republican strategies, along with using the racist Southern Strategy, for retaining power.
 
Grim17 said:
Voter ID laws protect the integrity of our elections.
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Oh please, spare us your hypocritical nonsense.

If that actually mattered to you, you would be arguing against Trump's attempted bribery to get Ukraine to interfere in American elections. I don't recall seeing all your posts calling for impeachment. If I'm wrong, provide the links and I'll gladly apologize.

Isn't that just typical of conservative Christians, pretend they care about family values, personal responsibility, honesty, integrity? Then they show the world it was all a scam, and they vehemently support Trump, and everything he does.
 
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Its fine to think voter IDs are important, but if our friends here really cared about people voting, they would be insisting that such ID be easy to get, and insist that we are assured that all who can vote have them. But I have never heard them express such a concern, which tells us they have another motive. In the meantime, they're all in on purging voter rolls, limiting polling places and times and other techniques that are used to suppress the vote.
 
Moonglow said:
Yes, because we have seen how some states have manipulate the process...
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we certainly have. my own state isn't one of the worst offenders, but they've still tried unsuccessfully to remove me from the rolls.
 
JustHanging said:
If that actually mattered to you, you would be arguing against Trump's attempted bribery to get Ukraine to interfere in American elections. I don't recall seeing all your posts calling for impeachment. If I'm wrong, provide the links and I'll gladly apologize.
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If there was any solid evidence proving Trump attempted to bribe the Ukrainian government to interfere in an election, I would support both the impeachment and his removal from office. Seeing that no such evidence has surfaced, there's no legitimate reason for me to support such actions.

Feel better now? You got to spew your unhinged Trump hatred and impeachment delusions on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.
 
j brown's body said:
House Passes Voting Rights Bill Despite Near Unanimous Republican Opposition - The New York Times

Its amazing when you consider the party's legacy of putting the right to vote into the constitution, and in 2006, a Republican controlled House passing it 390-33, with the senate voting for it 98-0.

That party, its membership now defending monuments of Confederate Democrats, is no more.
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The Republicans don’t want people to vote—it keeps them from being re-elected.
 
bradt99 said:
WEll, too bad get over it!!! Trump can just do executive orders since you all won't get off your lazy asses and legislate. Trump will be gone in 2025.
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The thing about those executive orders is they disappear as quickly as they arrive and bureaucrats have a 1001 ways to stall and sabotage whatever sits in an executive order and lawyers have even more ways to stall via lawsuits.
 
j brown's body said:
House Passes Voting Rights Bill Despite Near Unanimous Republican Opposition - The New York Times

Its amazing when you consider the party's legacy of putting the right to vote into the constitution, and in 2006, a Republican controlled House passing it 390-33, with the senate voting for it 98-0.

That party, its membership now defending monuments of Confederate Democrats, is no more.
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Another fine example of republicans governing. But hey, trump has made it all possible for the lowest unemployment numbers for blacks and hispanics due to his loving concern.

Why do the republicans always want to march backwards in their defending of the america way?
 
Democrats = When not committing arson by impeachment, passing ludicrous bills in the House

:donkeyfla
 
Helix said:
elections should be controlled federally to prevent states from making it harder to vote.
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But it helps Republicans when they make it harder to vote.
 
It also has a big slush fund the Democrats and their Russia assets and party insiders can grab hold of.
 
It's amazing how few people know the context of this.

Part of the 1965 Voting Rights Act required nine (not all) states to have changes in voting laws approved in advance by the Federal Government.

In 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that that part of the law was no longer applicable and it was struck down. It did not change the power of the Federal Government to review and reject voting laws enacted by the states after the fact. Despite that, people have talked ever since about the 1964 voting rights act being "gutted".

This law attempts to re-enact that part of the law for the original nine affected states, plus California and New York.

To me, this looks like a tempest in a teapot, and a piece of virtue signalling by the House. The Federal Government has all the power it needs to strike down any discriminatory voting laws any state might pass without this bill.
 
OscarLevant said:
Voter ID laws are a solution to a problem does not exist. There is no evidence, nor has any ever been found, that the kind of fraud you speak of exists on any level sufficient to impact a national election for president. The laws do far more harm than the alleged problem is designed to solve.

The federal government,as in 'we the people' have an interest to make it as easy to vote as possible.

You'd have a point if it were not the fact that voter ID are a ruse to suppress many a minority, elderly and poor, to vote, and there is ample information on this subject.

It's also well established that the smaller the voter turnout , the more republicans win elections.

Therefore, it is both logical and reasonable to hold as suspect the rights' desire to create voter ID laws.


Voter ID Laws Really Do Discriminate, a New Study Shows | WIRED

What We Know About Voter ID Laws | FiveThirtyEight

States with voter ID laws have seen 'zero decrease' in turnout, NC Republican says | PolitiFact North Carolina
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Wasn't it you that called the president illegitimate the other day when I pointed out this exact same thing?

Hmmm hypocrisy yet again.
 
This is a non-solution to a non-problem. There's no good evidence that massive voter fraud has ever taken place on the scale needed to affect an election. And there's no evidence that voter ID laws have ever suppressed the vote enough to affect an election.

Personally I think you should show an ID, but if you don't you can still cast a provisional ballot. In the vast majority of cases, the vote won't be close enough to matter. But if it does, then the provisional ballots can be checked and added in.

I suppose I can now expect angry replies from folks describing how wrong I am. On both sides. :)
 
Helix said:
elections should be controlled federally to prevent states from making it harder to vote.
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I agree. Voting rights are voting rights
 
Chomsky said:
Whiskey! Tango! Foxtrot!

We're regressing! :doh
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Not really, this particular bill was actually a regression to the times when certain designated states had to request permission to make changed to its election procedures. That was removed by SCOTUS action in 2013 and the Dems are trying to sneak it back in.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The fed's can step in if there is a proven racial discrimination issue according to the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Voter ID get's lumped into the same act?
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Not exactly. As I understand it, this bill would reinstate the provision that required certain jurisdictions to request DOJ permission to make any changes to its election process. Voter ID requirements MAY fall under that provision.
 
Grim17 said:
Stopping voter id laws from being enforced was the bills purpose in the first place. The bill wouldn't even exist if the democratic party opposed voter fraud, but since they do here we are.
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Hey look ANOTHER false claim and lie LMAO
 
ludin said:
Wasn't it you that called the president illegitimate the other day when I pointed out this exact same thing?

Hmmm hypocrisy yet again.
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Interstate Crosscheck was a program installed by republicans which purged 1.1 million voters from the voter registration rolls, that was the source of my contention for "illegitimacy", Not illegal voting.

Don't be stupid.
 
OscarLevant said:
Interstate Crosscheck was a program installed by republicans which purged 1.1 million voters from the voter registration rolls, that was the source of my contention for "illegitimacy", Not illegal voting.

Don't be stupid.
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You just posted that voter fraud doesn't exist. So thanks for confirming that President Trump was elected fairly and there was no voter fraud.

Congrats on finally being honest for once in your posts.
 
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