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U.S. Added 266,000 Jobs in November; Unemployment at 3.5%

Conservative said:
Don't give a damn
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And there lies the problem. You are only here to push an extremely partisan agenda and nothing more. There is no point going into this any further as your just regurgitating already defeated arguments.
 
Bullseye said:
What trends? As I mentioned the stock markets have gone up 40-50% since he was elected, unemployment had dropped. Tax revenues are going up, wages are increasing.
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Does stock market performance mean the middle class is doing well?
 
Kushinator said:
Does stock market performance mean the middle class is doing well?
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according to a lot of data they're moving up. I'll leave the proof to the interested reader.
 
Bullseye said:
according to a lot of data they're moving up.
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And yet you didn't provide any data that substantiates your statement.

But i did ask a question, and you did refuse to answer.

I'll leave the proof to the interested reader.
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You're incapable of providing valid citation....
 
Kushinator said:
And yet you didn't provide any data that substantiates your statement.

But i did ask a question, and you did refuse to answer.



You're incapable of providing valid citation....
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Nope, I'm perfectly capable of citing data. When I want to.
 
Bullseye said:
Nope, I'm perfectly capable of citing data.
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And yet your response contains nothing but an empty claim. Go figure. If you were able to cite the necessary data, you would have done so already. Your refusal to do so is par for the course.
 
Kushinator said:
And yet your response contains nothing but an empty claim. Go figure. If you were able to cite the necessary data, you would have done so already. Your refusal to do so is par for the course.
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Oh, no. I had the links right here. I just made a little joke and you went hyper. So, believe me or not, makes no difference to me.
 
If somebody told you that they could absolutely add a few jobs by increasing the deficit to a Trillion dollars, would you have agreed?
 
Bullseye said:
Oh, no. I had the links right here. I just made a little joke and you went hyper. So, believe me or not, makes no difference to me.
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We've all learned not to take you seriously. You're not here to add to the discussion in any constructive way. A few one-liners is all we can expect.
 
Kushinator said:
And there lies the problem. You are only here to push an extremely partisan agenda and nothing more. There is no point going into this any further as your just regurgitating already defeated arguments.
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Apparently a partisan agenda is putting America first, strong job creation(real jobs), strong economic growth, record state and local revenue. Why don't you tell us exactly what your agenda is, Mr. Independent?

When you say my arguments are defeated, seems the reality disagrees with you. 6.5 million jobs in 3 years vs. 6 million in 9? Obama 4 million fewer votes in 2012 vs. 2008? Historic low u-6 vs 9.3% that Obama left Trump? African American unemployment over 2% lower than our first African American President? Trillion dollar growth in GP without massive gov't spending on a stimulus? Not sure what books you are reading and looking at but they are making you look foolish compared to the actual results.

I will remind you the target for employment when Obama started running for office was 146 million(Jan-April 2008)

I will remind you that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 through the end of the recession.

I will remind you that it was TARP that ended the financial recession by recapitalizing the banks.

I will remind you that TARP was mostly repaid but was recycled by Obama Administration thus making the spending even worse.

I will remind you that Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt

I will remind you that there were 7 interest rate hikes in 2007-2008 and mandatory entitlement increases

I will remind you that there was more than enough revenue generated by FIT to pay for the discretionary spending

I will remind you that the largest component of GDP is consumer spending

I will remind you that the Trump tax cuts benefit the American electorate who are better off today than 3 years ago

I will remind you that Trump has a 52% approval rating on the economy and is amassing African American support due to their historic low unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama

I will remind you that Obama created the worst recovery from a major recession in history

I do understand that none of this will resonate but it will with true independents
 
Conservative said:
Apparently a partisan agenda is putting America first, strong job creation(real jobs), strong economic growth, record state and local revenue. Why don't you tell us exactly what your agenda is, Mr. Independent?

When you say my arguments are defeated, seems the reality disagrees with you. 6.5 million jobs in 3 years vs. 6 million in 9? Obama 4 million fewer votes in 2012 vs. 2008? Historic low u-6 vs 9.3% that Obama left Trump? African American unemployment over 2% lower than our first African American President? Trillion dollar growth in GP without massive gov't spending on a stimulus? Not sure what books you are reading and looking at but they are making you look foolish compared to the actual results.

I will remind you the target for employment when Obama started running for office was 146 million(Jan-April 2008)

I will remind you that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 through the end of the recession.

I will remind you that it was TARP that ended the financial recession by recapitalizing the banks.

I will remind you that TARP was mostly repaid but was recycled by Obama Administration thus making the spending even worse.

I will remind you that Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt

I will remind you that there were 7 interest rate hikes in 2007-2008 and mandatory entitlement increases

I will remind you that there was more than enough revenue generated by FIT to pay for the discretionary spending

I will remind you that the largest component of GDP is consumer spending

I will remind you that the Trump tax cuts benefit the American electorate who are better off today than 3 years ago

I will remind you that Trump has a 52% approval rating on the economy and is amassing African American support due to their historic low unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama

I will remind you that Obama created the worst recovery from a major recession in history

I do understand that none of this will resonate but it will with true independents
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Apparently a partisan agenda is putting America first, strong job creation(real jobs), strong economic growth, record state and local revenue. Why don't you tell us exactly what your agenda is, Mr. Independent?
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Which they will just piss away right and build more Goverment?


I will remind you that Trump has a 52% approval rating on the economy and is amassing African American support due to their historic low unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama
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And how many of those black jobs are just part time and still can receive the many various forms of welfare?

will remind you that Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt
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And do you know that we're going back to 1 Trillion dollar a year deficits AGAIN when the Trump tax cuts were suppose to start paying down this debt?(LOL)
 
Luther said:
Which they will just piss away right and build more Goverment?




And how many of those black jobs are just part time and still can receive the many various forms of welfare?



And do you know that we're going back to 1 Trillion dollar a year deficits AGAIN when the Trump tax cuts were suppose to start paying down this debt?(LOL)
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And yet our Founders put the power at the state and local levels. If they are pissing away that money what are you doing about it? You prefer that the federal bureaucrats over which you have limited control do it instead of the states that has term limits?

So you got nothing out of my post as again you focus on the trillion dollar deficits not the tax cuts which put more power in the hands of the people? Gov't is going to spend money and keep as many people dependent as possible as that is the liberal agenda. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives the people the power not the federal bureaucrats

How many of those black jobs are part time? Why don't you ask them, 1.5 million fewer part time jobs today than when Obama left office, African American unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama's. African American support approaching 33% in some polls. Seems they get it, when will you>
 
Conservative said:
And yet our Founders put the power at the state and local levels. If they are pissing away that money what are you doing about it? You prefer that the federal bureaucrats over which you have limited control do it instead of the states that has term limits?

So you got nothing out of my post as again you focus on the trillion dollar deficits not the tax cuts which put more power in the hands of the people? Gov't is going to spend money and keep as many people dependent as possible as that is the liberal agenda. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives the people the power not the federal bureaucrats

How many of those black jobs are part time? Why don't you ask them, 1.5 million fewer part time jobs today than when Obama left office, African American unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama's. African American support approaching 33% in some polls. Seems they get it, when will you>
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And yet our Founders put the power at the state and local levels.
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Yes, BUT, there were counting on a virtuous citizeny(What we don't have) Just thing of all the progressive in the past and future since then.

If they are pissing away that money what are you doing about it?
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Trying to reform our citizenry outside the political election process which does not work



So you got nothing out of my post as again you focus on the trillion dollar deficits not the tax cuts which put more power in the hands of the people?
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Oh, why do you not finish the story sir? Those tax cuts you talk of were TEMPORARY

. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives the people the power not the federal bureaucrats
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Really? more to just donate to a political party for example?

How many of those black jobs are part time? Why don't you ask them, 1.5 million fewer part time jobs today than when Obama left office, African American unemployment 2.3% lower than Obama's. African American support approaching 33% in some polls. Seems they get it, when will you>
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First, there was a lot more part time jobs during the great recession because it was a great recession

I noticed you couldn't find anything to disprove my claim about those Black jobs just being part time?j
 
Conservative said:
LOL, you need to get out of California as you are embarrassing yourself with your lack of accurate information.
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You mean to say that there was a deep recession in 2008, but a growing economy in 2016 is just California propaganda?
 
SLC said:
Bullseye is correct. The loaning of money to people that had no business buying the home they bought was the thing that triggered the economic crisis. The was cause by congress relaxing the leaning practicing and pushing to eliminate Red Zones. Barney Frank was largely responsible for that. You are partially correct Greedy Bankers predatory leaning practices and the loaning of money to non credit worthy people to buy homes they could not afford. When those home loans went delinquent the economy eventually collapse.
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And oddly enough many of those same bankers making the shady loans had insurance in case people couldn't make their payments. Is that a coincidence or an admission they were making bad loans in bad faith?
 
Dittohead not! said:
You mean to say that there was a deep recession in 2008, but a growing economy in 2016 is just California propaganda?
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You don’t understand.

The economy was horrible in 2016, except for the last two months, when it became the best economy in history. Evah.

You libtards just don’t get it.
 
Luther;1071032857]Yes, BUT, there were counting on a virtuous citizeny(What we don't have) Just thing of all the progressive in the past and future since then.
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If you spent more time in your own community and state politics things might get better for you, what makes you think the Federal bureaucrats are going to solve your state and local problems?



Trying to reform our citizenry outside the political election process which does not work
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So how does promoting bigger gov't solve your problems?





Oh, why do you not finish the story sir? Those tax cuts you talk of were TEMPORARY
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the rest of the story is Democrats wouldn't approve permanent cuts that expire when??? Think your group of clowns are going to promote permanent cuts?



Really? more to just donate to a political party for example?
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How about time and talent? there is more than just monetary donations!



First, there was a lot more part time jobs during the great recession because it was a great recession
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That is a lie, ACA promoted part time job creation, but keep buying with the left is selling you, I am sure they are very pleased

I noticed you couldn't find anything to disprove my claim about those Black jobs just being part time?
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African American support for Trump proves that they are happier now so if you think that is because of part time jobs, you are truly clueless on this issue
 
Dittohead not! said:
You mean to say that there was a deep recession in 2008, but a growing economy in 2016 is just California propaganda?
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What does any of that have to do with the thread topic and why do you ignore the facts presented?
 
Threegoofs said:
You don’t understand.

The economy was horrible in 2016, except for the last two months, when it became the best economy in history. Evah.

You libtards just don’t get it.
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Just like a typical radical cheerleader who has such low standards yet cannot explain how the data such as record job creation without part time jobs was created. What a waste of time you radicals are
 
calamity said:
Here are the real numbers



Trump's lies not withstanding.
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LOL, yep, BLS.gov lies all the time, 6.4 million jobs created for total employment of 158.5 million and 4.4 million part time for economic reasons vs the 152.1 million inherited including 5.7 million part time for economic reasons. You so called independents/centrists don't have the guts to admit your true lean

Call BLS and tell them their numbers are wrong and you are right!!

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143292 143362 143316 143635 143882 143999 144264 144326 144418 143537 144479 144778
2014 145150 145134 145648 145667 145825 146247 146399 146530 146778 147427 147404 147615
2015 148150 148053 148122 148491 148802 148765 148815 149175 148853 149270 149506 150164
2016 150622 150934 151146 150963 151074 151104 151450 151766 151877 151949 152150 152276
2017 152128 152417 152958 153150 152920 153176 153456 153591 154399 153847 153945 154065
2018 154482 155213 155160 155216 155539 155592 155964 155604 156069 156582 156803 156945
2019 156694 156949 156748 156645 156758 157005 157288 157288 157878 158269 158510
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calamity said:
Here are the real numbers



Trump's lies not withstanding.
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Part time for economic reasons, how can that be with that booming Obama economy?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7296 7299 7435 7509 7254 7422 7402 7177 7020 7025 6898 6856
2015 6808 6671 6629 6608 6628 6383 6249 6423 6043 5811 6174 6084
2016 5941 5978 6066 6006 6467 5748 5926 5995 5918 5971 5738 5621
2017 5753 5603 5455 5279 5234 5266 5281 5237 5179 4912 4866 4986
2018 4982 5115 4969 4952 4920 4736 4588 4368 4656 4630 4781 4657
2019 5147 4310 4499 4654 4355 4347 3984 4381 4350 4438
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Threegoofs said:
Conservative is both a shameless liar AND a nutjob partisan?

So surprised.
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Personal insults is all you and your ilk are good for as you will always divert from the official numbers due to your loyalty to liberalism and need for a massive central gov't to take care of you. Waiting for you and other posters to refute the data in Post 722 and 723? You wont' because you can't and that is why liberalism is such a failure.
 
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