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Jonathan Turley 'inundated with threatening messages' after testimony opposing Trump impeachment

Can't help yourself I see! LOL

Because I'm pointing out to you that you are asking me about what others post? I didn't know we were supposed to stop ourselves from pointing out the idiocy of posts.

That's because we aren't.

Maybe you learned your lesson not to start a response to a debate question with a "Oh I think I gotcha, I'm going to pretend you're a loser and my life is so super busy", like you did. And then continue to post here to prove yourself wrong, while the other person logs off because her life really is busy.

But I doubt it. That requires skills you don't have.
 
Now you are being obstinate. 30% support out of a group that is 75% Democrat is very good.

It's been hovering around 10% for 3 years, so I am skeptical of the figure you cite.

What you are doing is wrong. It has nothing to do with old ladies in churches. Yes, it is wrong to tell people to stop being cruel when they are not being cruel. Chances are very good that you are the one being cruel.

Don't be a racist, homophobe, and a bigot and you want have people criticize you. It's not that complicated.
 
Because I'm pointing out to you that you are asking me about what others post? I didn't know we were supposed to stop ourselves from pointing out the idiocy of posts.

That's because we aren't.

Maybe you learned your lesson not to start a response to a debate question with a "Oh I think I gotcha, I'm going to pretend you're a loser and my life is so super busy", like you did. And then continue to post here to prove yourself wrong, while the other person logs off because her life really is busy.

But I doubt it. That requires skills you don't have.

Loser? I never used that word. Keep on keeping on...your true colors are shining as bright as the Christmas lights on my tree! LOL
 
What are you referring to?



I don't think 30% is that high, Also, would you please cite the data/poll numbers you are referring to? I don't think 30% is accurate.

Gallup has different numbers:



Analyzing Black Support for President Trump



No, it's not. It's perfectly fine to criticize or shame people who did bad things. Racism is wrong, and racists should be shamed.

You want the freedom to be a bigot, racist, and homophone, etc. It's not going to happen without consequence. Sorry. If you don't like it, change your behavior, and stop treating others poorly.

Your problem is you spend too much time reading the media and letting them form your opinions while ignoring the actual results being generated. African American support for Trump is rising due to the reality that the unemployment rate for African Americans is at historic lows, more than 2% better than our First African American President. Results matter, not your perception or how easily you are indoctrinated into believing what you are being told
 
Loser? I never used that word. Keep on keeping on...your true colors are shining as bright as the Christmas lights on my tree! LOL

No, you just implied it. "I have a life and you don't, tres! But I'm going to keep posting here all day long while you live your life, and I'm going to get red faced when you point that out to me 3 days later, and I'm going to whine to you because I don't like what other posters posted." And you failed.

You should have just answered my non-personal debate question instead of making an idiotic post and embarrassing yourself, as you did here.

My colors are very bright. That's what happens when you're smart and you're smart enough to trip up posters with their own stupid words.
 
Jonathan Turley '''inundated with threatening messages''' after testimony opposing Trump impeachment | Fox News

Jonathan Turley, the sole Republican witness during the House Judiciary Committee's first public impeachment hearing Wednesday, said he was "inundated with threatening messages" after his testimony, which argued that Democrats do not have enough evidence to support articles of impeachment against President Trump.

"Before I finished my testimony, my home and office were inundated with threatening messages and demands that I be fired from George Washington University for arguing that, while a case for impeachment can be made, it has not been made on this record," Turley wrote in an op-ed for The Hill on Thursday.


The tolerant, open minded Democrats showing us what they are really about. We've seen it over and over. Threats of violence, destroy lives, if they don't get their way. You will think correctly, or be dealt with. Old East Germany, anyone?

Were y'all this concerned when Omar saw an increase in threats against her when Trump tweeted the false narrative regarding her and 9/11? Or are we just concerned when it comes to the right?

No one should be receiving threats for their jobs as public servants, it's another despicable sign of how divided we've become as a People. Still, it's hard to take partisan's outrage on this seriously because they only seem concerned when it deals with their side.
 
No, you just implied it. "I have a life and you don't, tres! But I'm going to keep posting here all day long while you live your life, and I'm going to get red faced when you point that out to me 3 days later, and I'm going to whine to you because I don't like what other posters posted." And you failed.

You should have just answered my non-personal debate question instead of making an idiotic post and embarrassing yourself, as you did here.

My colors are very bright. That's what happens when you're smart and you're smart enough to trip up posters with their own stupid words.

So...you are admitting you made it up, as I never used the word loser. Thanks, I appreciate it. :lol:
 
So...you are admitting you made it up, as I never used the word loser. Thanks, I appreciate it. :lol:

Yes, I didn't say you used the word loser. That's why I never said you did say it. I had it in quotes which the smart people knew was a paraphrase. Not surprising at all that you didn't understand that.

You plan to keep embarrassing yourself, or are you going back to that super busy life you claimed you had?
 
Yes, I didn't say you used the word loser. That's why I never said you did say it. I had it in quotes which the smart people knew was a paraphrase. Not surprising at all that you didn't understand that.

You plan to keep embarrassing yourself, or are you going back to that super busy life you claimed you had?

How nice that you are concerned about my busy life, busy indeed, but I am blessed to have today off! It is kind of a rainy damp day, so I am still relaxing with a cup of coffee and browsing the internet. I may even squeeze in a bit of the hearing today before heading out to do some Christmas shopping later in the day.
 
Jonathan Turley '''inundated with threatening messages''' after testimony opposing Trump impeachment | Fox News

Jonathan Turley, the sole Republican witness during the House Judiciary Committee's first public impeachment hearing Wednesday, said he was "inundated with threatening messages" after his testimony, which argued that Democrats do not have enough evidence to support articles of impeachment against President Trump.

"Before I finished my testimony, my home and office were inundated with threatening messages and demands that I be fired from George Washington University for arguing that, while a case for impeachment can be made, it has not been made on this record," Turley wrote in an op-ed for The Hill on Thursday.


The tolerant, open minded Democrats showing us what they are really about. We've seen it over and over. Threats of violence, destroy lives, if they don't get their way. You will think correctly, or be dealt with. Old East Germany, anyone?

Since when did your side of the aisle care about harassment? You people will look the other way unless it insults one of your own.
 
Which House members do you think has dragged the rest of the House members to the left? Who is the new 'thought leaders' of the Democrat party?

Omar, Tlaib, and AOC are good for Fox News ratings because they look like scary foreigners! But Fox News's opinion-show hosts greatly overstate the influence of people like Omar, Tlaib, and AOC.

Hanity has nothing to do with it.

Hannity, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Levin, etc. are the real leaders of the Republican Party these days. This is where Trump-supporting rubes get all their news.

Steele didn't write the 'dossier', Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS did. I would have thought that you were aware of this.

:)

Good that you are, but what would you call a baseless and nearly evidence-less impeachment driven by politics?

Ug. You need to stop watching Fox News and watch the hearings and read the call transcript. Read the Mueller report as well.

How much of the Mueller report have you read? Have you read the call transcript/summary of Trump/Zelenskyy? How much of the hearings have you watched?

I've cited where at least 2 instances where Democrats have publicly made statements which support this conclusion, and I have yet to hear any other Democrat criticize or correct them for public their statements. :shrug:

What are you talking about now? Your previous comment dealt with policy. You said. "So it's your position that the Democrat presidential primary candidates are making sound public policy proposals? Even though, more often than not, their math simply doesn't add up? Interesting." So what are you talking about when you say you cited 2 instances where Democrats have publicly made statements which support this conclusion?

Are you referring to what Democrats like Al Green said?

With the Democrat primary candidates supporting, or out right calling for, socialism? Hardly seem like 'operating the economy in the same way, philosophically'.

So, this may come as a shock to you, both Republicans and Democrats do not believe in unrestricted, laissez-faire capitalism. Even since Colonial times, Americans have relied on significant government intervention in the economy. We've never had a purely Capitalist economy. The Republican Party itself was established on the policy of significant government involvement in the economy in the form of infrastructure creation. The Republican Party, since Lincoln's era, believed in using government funds to build roads, bridges, dams, and so on, with the purpose of benefiting manufacturing companies and business in general.

A good example of modern-day Republican hypocrisy on this issue is the billions of dollars in handouts that American farmers have received. Apparently, brown people in urban areas should not be given food stamps, but it's okay to give white people in rural areas billions of dollars? How does that make any sense from the perspective of a coherent and logical political philosophy? The truth is Republicans also believe in having the government interfere in the economy, they just want the "right" people to benefit from such government interference, not the "wrong" people.

Fox News opinion-show hosts frequently deride Democrats as being "socialist." And when they do they are piggy-backing off of a century-long U.S. propaganda campaign against the Soviet Union (and I am not disparaging this particular propaganda campaign, I think it was good to fight against the Communists and Soviet sympathizers using propaganda like this). However, there are very few members of the Democratic party, probably close to zero, that believe in socialism if we are defining it similar to the way Marxism or Leninism is defined. The people that truly believe in Marxism or Leninism end up being kicked out of political gatherings, or they run off and start their own groups.

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist (i.e. not a Marxist or Leninist).

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

I do not perceive Democratic Socialists to be a threat to the Republic. I don't agree with their policies, but they believe in working within the system the Founding Fathers created.

Do you know who doesn't believe in working within the system the Founding Fathers created? Trump supporters. Trump and his supporters have routinely demonstrated a willingness to violate the Constitution and the Rule of Law to get what they want.

I'm curious, how did you reach this conclusion?

Editorial: Trump cuts poverty food stipends just before Christmas - Los Angeles Times
 
Omar, Tlaib, and AOC are good for Fox News ratings because they look like scary foreigners! But Fox News's opinion-show hosts greatly overstate the influence of people like Omar, Tlaib, and AOC.



Hannity, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Levin, etc. are the real leaders of the Republican Party these days. This is where Trump-supporting rubes get all their news.



:)



Ug. You need to stop watching Fox News and watch the hearings and read the call transcript. Read the Mueller report as well.

How much of the Mueller report have you read? Have you read the call transcript/summary of Trump/Zelenskyy? How much of the hearings have you watched?



What are you talking about now? Your previous comment dealt with policy. You said. "So it's your position that the Democrat presidential primary candidates are making sound public policy proposals? Even though, more often than not, their math simply doesn't add up? Interesting." So what are you talking about when you say you cited 2 instances where Democrats have publicly made statements which support this conclusion?

Are you referring to what Democrats like Al Green said?



So, this may come as a shock to you, both Republicans and Democrats do not believe in unrestricted, laissez-faire capitalism. Even since Colonial times, Americans have relied on significant government intervention in the economy. We've never had a purely Capitalist economy. The Republican Party itself was established on the policy of significant government involvement in the economy in the form of infrastructure creation. The Republican Party, since Lincoln's era, believed in using government funds to build roads, bridges, dams, and so on, with the purpose of benefiting manufacturing companies and business in general.

A good example of modern-day Republican hypocrisy on this issue is the billions of dollars in handouts that American farmers have received. Apparently, brown people in urban areas should not be given food stamps, but it's okay to give white people in rural areas billions of dollars? How does that make any sense from the perspective of a coherent and logical political philosophy? The truth is Republicans also believe in having the government interfere in the economy, they just want the "right" people to benefit from such government interference, not the "wrong" people.

Fox News opinion-show hosts frequently deride Democrats as being "socialist." And when they do they are piggy-backing off of a century-long U.S. propaganda campaign against the Soviet Union (and I am not disparaging this particular propaganda campaign, I think it was good to fight against the Communists and Soviet sympathizers using propaganda like this). However, there are very few members of the Democratic party, probably close to zero, that believe in socialism if we are defining it similar to the way Marxism or Leninism is defined. The people that truly believe in Marxism or Leninism end up being kicked out of political gatherings, or they run off and start their own groups.

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist (i.e. not a Marxist or Leninist).

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

I do not perceive Democratic Socialists to be a threat to the Republic. I don't agree with their policies, but they believe in working within the system the Founding Fathers created.

Do you know who doesn't believe in working within the system the Founding Fathers created? Trump supporters. Trump and his supporters have routinely demonstrated a willingness to violate the Constitution and the Rule of Law to get what they want.



Editorial: Trump cuts poverty food stipends just before Christmas - Los Angeles Times

See a lot of minority faces in this video and a lot of white faces making anti trump racial claims. Seems like you continue to have a disconnect with reality

WATCH VIDEO: Fake News Media Has Been Thunderstruck! | Republican News Watch
 
You really don't understanding leadership, do you? You don't think the elimination of the Obama anti growth EO's affected the economy? How do you explain the massive jump in the stock market AFTER the election, a going away gift to Obama?
Dude, you're dodging. I posted this:
Attributing that to Trump is as mistaken as the Lefties who attribute the 1990s economy to Clinton....the other lying draft-dodging coward and serial sexual predator.
...and you're derailing to Obama. Here's your problem: if you want to attribute the US economy to a President, then you have to attribute the 1990s economy to Clinton.

IMO, it's wrong assume a President can wave a wand and make the economy prosperous. They can influence it, but the US economy is so large, so dynamic and so robust that no single person can do much other than a little influence. One fact you and those who credit Bill Clinton so much are missing is the greatest government influence on the economy is Congress, not the President.
 
There are racists, but they are distributed within the electorate of both political parties.

Progressives cite racism, sexism in Harris exit: Women of color 'get twice the scrutiny'

Harris is, or at least was, in the Democrat primary campaign to become the Democrat presidential candidate.
Who's the left accusing of being racist and sexist? Republicans?

Sorry, no, Republicans have nothing to do with a Democrat primary campaign or candidate.
So it must be Democrats who are being accused of being racist and sexist.

Until Trump is out of office, I'm not commenting on any of this. I refuse to criticize Democrats. The existential threat to the Republic from Trump and his supporters is too great.

All that aside, real racism and real sexism are not things to be applauded, agreed. But then the left is wrongly using those accusations in instances which are neither, and is using it as a political cudgel whenever they perceive it to be to their political advantage, as shown in the citation.

So, no, you are wrong to accuse "1) the right to be racist, and 2) the right to do corrupt things in the pursuit of racism".

I have a problem with corrupt political elitist leftists lecturing across the political aisle when they themselves are yet more corrupt and more hypocritical. As has been often shown, they are accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

I know you are wrong. The reason why I know you are wrong is that I was once an active Republican who attended hundreds of political meetings.

When people joyously cheer the forced separation of families at the border and gleefully describe fantasies of carpet-bombing illegal immigrant civilians at the border, I'm sorry, but this is coming from a place of racism and xenophobia.
 
So do you agree with Turley that more people should be testifying? People like Rudy, Pompeo, Bolton, and Mulvaney?

Yes, but as far as I'm concerned the impeachment proceedings are really just political theater, much ado about nothing.
 
Dude, you're dodging. I posted this:
...and you're derailing to Obama. Here's your problem: if you want to attribute the US economy to a President, then you have to attribute the 1990s economy to Clinton.

IMO, it's wrong assume a President can wave a wand and make the economy prosperous. They can influence it, but the US economy is so large, so dynamic and so robust that no single person can do much other than a little influence. One fact you and those who credit Bill Clinton so much are missing is the greatest government influence on the economy is Congress, not the President.

You don't seem to grasp reality or even basic civics, The President sets the tone and shows the leadership on the economy. Clinton had the sense to work with Newt and Republicans, Obama had no sense. You also seem to lack the basic understanding of history looking at it through partisan anti Trump lens, the Contract with America was the Republican Congress's action that was accepted almost completely by Clinton and that is what boosted the U.S. economy. Leadership comes from two sources, the President and/or the Congress. In 2017 we got both, the Trump tax cuts with Congressional action and Trump's elimination of anti growth Obama EO's.

You simply don't like Trump and cannot bring yourself to give him any credit. Trump did wave the magic wand, tax cuts, regulation cuts, EO elimination and the results are what we are seeing today. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time here you would understand better what is happening. Enjoy the video

WATCH VIDEO: Fake News Media Has Been Thunderstruck! | Republican News Watch
 
You don't seem to grasp reality or even basic civics, The President sets the tone and shows the leadership on the economy. Clinton had the sense to work with Newt and Republicans, Obama had no sense. You also seem to lack the basic understanding of history looking at it through partisan anti Trump lens, the Contract with America was the Republican Congress's action that was accepted almost completely by Clinton and that is what boosted the U.S. economy. Leadership comes from two sources, the President and/or the Congress. In 2017 we got both, the Trump tax cuts with Congressional action and Trump's elimination of anti growth Obama EO's.

You simply don't like Trump and cannot bring yourself to give him any credit. Trump did wave the magic wand, tax cuts, regulation cuts, EO elimination and the results are what we are seeing today. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time here you would understand better what is happening. Enjoy the video

WATCH VIDEO: Fake News Media Has Been Thunderstruck! | Republican News Watch
Thanks for agreeing with my comment about influence even though you led with a false statement.
 
You're seriously joking, right?
Heck, I recall calls for Trump's impeachment before the election even.

It must be your partisan blinders. I'd recommend taking them off.

Why did Al Green's idea only receive 58 votes?
 
Until Trump is out of office, I'm not commenting on any of this. I refuse to criticize Democrats. The existential threat to the Republic from Trump and his supporters is too great.



I know you are wrong. The reason why I know you are wrong is that I was once an active Republican who attended hundreds of political meetings.

When people joyously cheer the forced separation of families at the border and gleefully describe fantasies of carpet-bombing illegal immigrant civilians at the border, I'm sorry, but this is coming from a place of racism and xenophobia.

Oh, my, it is reality that anyone can say anything in this forum and never be held accountable for lies. There is no way you were ever a Republican by any standard and apparently don't have the guts to admit your true lean, liberal. the Trump economic results are purely Conservative and Republican, your ideology is radically left wing

Enjoy the video

WATCH VIDEO: Fake News Media Has Been Thunderstruck! | Republican News Watch
 
We wait for the courts because that’s how the process is supposed to work. What is happening is a dispute between two branches of government, so the correct course of action is for the third branch to help resolve the issue. You wish for the Executive to be subservient to Congress, though I’d be willing to bet that position was reversed during the previous administration and will be again the next time a Democrat holds the White House and Republicans control the house.

I am not saying the Courts do not have the authority to intervene in this dispute. I am saying that Trump should not be asserting bullsh*t legal arguments to begin with.

And I don't know why you, a so-called conservative, are okay with this idea of absolute immunity.

If you were a real conservative you would reject the idea entirely. You would be appalled by the mere suggestion of it. But you're not. And that makes you an authoritarian/fascist, not a conservative.

I truly believe in our country’s founding principles, which is why I will follow the constitution and let the court sort out the dispute between the other branches. Feel free to criticize me for not agreeing with your desire to short circuit the process due to your partisan desires.

Do you believe that the President has "absolute immunity"? Yes or no?
 
What are you referring to?
For example, a recent Emerson poll had the following breakdown for self-identified blacks

What is your party registration?
Democrat 106
Republican 20
Independent/other 27
Not registered to vote 0
Total 153

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as President?
Approve 53
Disapprove 90
Neutral or no opinion 10
Total 153

53 approve but there are only 47 Republicans and independents combined, so at minimum six black Democrats support Trump.

Download the raw data, page 2 line 12.
Emerson Polling - November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

Rasmussen is showing similar numbers going back to summer.

I don't think 30% is that high, Also, would you please cite the data/poll numbers you are referring to? I don't think 30% is accurate. Gallup has different numbers:Analyzing Black Support for President Trump
It does not give the details, but it does give the date, which is 2017 - early 2019. Also, there is a likely disconnect in questions. Less than 20% of blacks in the Emerson poll are Republican.

No, it's not. It's perfectly fine to criticize or shame people who did bad things. Racism is wrong, and racists should be shamed. You want the freedom to be a bigot, racist, and homophone, etc. It's not going to happen without consequence. Sorry. If you don't like it, change your behavior, and stop treating others poorly.
Then you have a major dilemma. Your party is shaming people who are not doing bad things. By extension, so are you.
 
Thanks for agreeing with my comment about influence even though you led with a false statement.

My statement was absolutely accurate as was my entire post which you ignored as it is appears to be important to you for me to praise a Democrat. I was a JFK Democrat on the Economy and praised Clinton for his work with the Republican Congress which he gave us by his implementation of the Clinton tax increases of 1993 with a Democratic Congress. Thank you Bill Clinton for giving us a Republican Congress and the Contract with America.

Now we have a Constitutionalist testifying in front of the Impeachment Farce receiving death threats for not being aligned with the hate filled Democratic radicals. Sad state of affairs when so many people are so filled with hatred for a President who has done absolutely nothing to hurt them and their family but in fact has done the opposite as Americans are much better off today than they were when Trump took office
 
You're seriously joking, right?
Heck, I recall calls for Trump's impeachment before the election even.

It must be your partisan blinders. I'd recommend taking them off.

I don't recall that. Please link to people calling for Trump's impeachment before the election in 2016.
 
Your problem is you spend too much time reading the media and letting them form your opinions while ignoring the actual results being generated. African American support for Trump is rising due to the reality that the unemployment rate for African Americans is at historic lows, more than 2% better than our First African American President. Results matter, not your perception or how easily you are indoctrinated into believing what you are being told

My problem with Trump is that he is a crook.

My problem with you is you find the fact that Trump is a crook to not be that big of a deal.

And my opinion doesn't have to do with how much time I spend reading the news. My opinion is mostly the result of my parents doing a good job raising me and teaching me the difference between right and wrong. Somehow your parents failed to inculcate in you notions such as Duty, Honor, and Country.
 
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