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Pelosi directs House Democrats to proceed with articles of impeachment against Trump

Pelosi and president trump are very similar and are weakly divided on political issues, both want big government and really congresswoman Pelosi is a centre right corrupt politician who is only a puppet for the lobbyists and PAC’s that control her and most of the Democratic Party. Impeachment is a waste of time, and is a distraction from the corruption of the system, and the infrastructure of a failing country. But no, they will cling on to power. If anything impeachment is a power move to make her and her corporate cronies in congress more powerful then they should be. Believe me the president is not someone I like, but we shall not allow her to do what she wants to make her more powerful.
 
Athanasius68 said:
What are you talking about? The Clinton campaign was more than willing to take foreign interference in the 2016 election. Heck, even hired people to get info from Russia sources.
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If they did, they were wrong and should pay the price. But hiring a private citizen is a far cry from bribing a foreign government to bring the weight of the government upon our election.
 
RedAkston said:
I don't think Biden will be the front runner for long, not after this past weekend and it has nothing to do with his own admission of a quid pro quo while he was VP.
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That's fair. I'll respect your opinion (but I think you're wrong - I believe Biden will win big in SC forward). But when this Ukraine stuff occurred, Biden was the far-in-the-lead front-runner and presumed nominee.
 
Trump said:
you mean like Hillary did against Trump with the Russian Dossier?:roll:
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Well, at least we know you backed her for that. Of course, her dossier didn't cone directly from the Russian government, but don't let facts bother you.

But if it did, you'd be totally ok with that right? You're not like some kind of hypocrite or anything.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, at least we know you backed her for that. Of course, her dossier didn't cone directly from the Russian government, but don't let facts bother you.

But if it did, you'd be totally ok with that right? You're not like some kind of hypocrite or anything.
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Yeah - he's conflating a candidate paying a private citizen to do research, with a sitting President bribing a foreign government to bring that government's weight upon our election. And he's trying to claim equivalency - how is beyond me?
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... Democrats and their Goebbels Media continue with their Trump Retardation Syndrome idiocy.

November 8, 2016 obviously stung really, really bad.

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Glad to see.

Get on with it. Can't wait to see the vote. The New Democrats controlling the House are writing the GOP political advertising for next year. Saves money on production.
 
Chomsky said:
That's fair. I'll respect your opinion (but I think you're wrong - I believe Biden will win big in SC forward). But when this Ukraine stuff occurred, Biden was the far-in-the-lead front-runner and presumed nominee.
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I was asked 6 months ago who I thought would win and I said Bernie. I still believe that he will eventually win the nomination. Time will tell, but I think Biden has done himself in this weekend and Warren isn't doing herself any favors either. I can't say that I'd support anyone running currently, but I will admit that Bernie is at least honest. I think he's bat**** crazy and his lack of basic economics is down right dangerous, but he deserves props for being honest. I can't say the same thing for anyone else running currently.
 
Chomsky said:
I don't see any way the House changes hands. In fact, I believe the Dems will be picking up seats.
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Yip no ew gerrymandering has taken place, although voter suppression laws have been impacted as often as possible...
 
Chomsky said:
That's fair. I'll respect your opinion (but I think you're wrong - I believe Biden will win big in SC forward). But when this Ukraine stuff occurred, Biden was the far-in-the-lead front-runner and presumed nominee.
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And he'll get his ass kicked in the debates by Trump. I can't believe you guys are going down this road by nominating another establishment candidate like Hillary was.
 
RedAkston said:
I was asked 6 months ago who I thought would win and I said Bernie. I still believe that he will eventually win the nomination. Time will tell, but I think Biden has done himself in this weekend and Warren isn't doing herself any favors either. I can't say that I'd support anyone running currently, but I will admit that Bernie is at least honest. I think he's bat**** crazy and his lack of basic economics is down right dangerous, but he deserves props for being honest. I can't say the same thing for anyone else running currently.
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I still think the field is wide open as there are a lot of undecideds.
 
GDViking said:
Yip no ew gerrymandering has taken place, although voter suppression laws have been impacted as often as possible...
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Fair enough, but I don't see the dems winning the senate or the WH next year. Would the democrats though get over their hate of Trump and actually work with him on the issues that affect the American People? I doubt it and I don't mean passing partisan bills in the house that will die in the senate either.
 
RedAkston said:
I was asked 6 months ago who I thought would win and I said Bernie. I still believe that he will eventually win the nomination. Time will tell, but I think Biden has done himself in this weekend and Warren isn't doing herself any favors either. I can't say that I'd support anyone running currently, but I will admit that Bernie is at least honest. I think he's bat**** crazy and his lack of basic economics is down right dangerous, but he deserves props for being honest. I can't say the same thing for anyone else running currently.
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If you told me that 6 mos ago, I would have laughed. Even 2 months ago, I would have also laughed. But today, with the retreat of Warren and the Biden bashing that will presumably take place during the Senate process, I think your prediction is as good as anyone's.

What do you think of Butting? I like the guy. I think he'll do well in IA & NH, but struggle through the Southern states.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep. Though I'm sure Trump learned his lesson last time from the spanking Pelosi gave him.
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Pelosi is on track to set a new record as the only Speaker of the House in US history to lose the democrat majority twice.
 
Athanasius68 said:
How many corrupt prosecutors in foreign countries was Joe Biden worried about? All over the world? Or just those investigating his family cash cow?
How destructive to USA foregn policy was it when Obama refused to sell lethal aid to Ukraine?

Look-- Trump didn't make up anything on Biden, nor did he ask Zelensky to make up anything on Biden. He asked him about Biden's own comments.
Trump should not have said it. But Biden is not immune from being investigated. And there was a legitimate issue raised. That you don't agree with it is ok. But it's a very poor reason for impeachment.
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A) Lethal aid to the Ukraine was withheld by the U.S. under Obama because the Ukraine did not meet the anti-corruption tests mandated by Congress in the authorization. As such, the worry was that the lethal aid would be sold by corrupt officials on the black market and end up in terrorist hands.

B) Biden had no worries about being investigated because there is no hint of wrongdoing. But since you bing it up, isn't it interesting that "anti-corruption" Trump waited years -- until polls showed that Biden would wallop Trump in an election before asking Zelensky to investigate him? I'm sure that was just another coincidence.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Trump had railed against corruption in Puerto Rico as a justification for refusing to send more hurricane relief.
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Yes, Trump used that as an excuse against critics who showed that the Trump Admin completely dropped the ball with Puerto Rico, resulting in over 3,000 deaths. Meanwhile, Trump praises corrupt dictators all over the world.
 
GDViking said:
Yip no ew gerrymandering has taken place, although voter suppression laws have been impacted as often as possible...
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I'm reasonably bouyed by the recent Southern elections showing suburban CDs still swining back Dem. I'm thinking a lot of those Dem & Indie suburbanites that flipped for Trump, particularly women, might flip back.

I've watched the numbers for women in the pro "impeach & remove" category go from just under 50% to now 61%, in the last two months since the Ukraine incident broke.
 
Chomsky said:
If you told me that 6 mos ago, I would have laughed. Even 2 months ago, I would have also laughed. But today, with the retreat of Warren and the Biden bashing that will presumably take place during the Senate process, I think your prediction is as good as anyone's.

What do you think of Butting? I like the guy. I think he'll do well in IA & NH, but struggle through the Southern states.
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Do you mean Buttigieg? I don't think he stands a chance because he will lose a good portion of the black vote. Having said that, he's the least-worst candidate running for the dem nomination IMO.
 
marke said:
Pelosi is on track to set a new record as the only Speaker of the House in US history to lose the democrat majority twice.
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T.B.D., and unlikely IMO. But I do celebrate her having ascended to the speakership twice, which is a very rare feat!
 
RedAkston said:
Do you mean Buttigieg? I don't think he stands a chance because he will lose a good portion of the black vote. Having said that, he's the least-worst candidate running for the dem nomination IMO.
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Hah! I got auto-corrected! I agree in Buttigieg not being likely to ascend, but if he takes IA you never know the lift he might get. Obama got a huge lift. But as you said, I think he'll be lacking in the A-A vote which is the kiss of death in order to succeed as a Democrat.

Buttigieg is my first choice candidate. And he has a helluva' life story, too.
 
Chomsky said:
I didn't hear anything about a revolution. I did hear about Trump inviting foreign states into our electoral process.
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You didn't hear anything about Revolution? The Declaration of Independence was, effectively, a declaration of war by the colonies against Great Britain.
 
Chomsky said:
That's fair. I'll respect your opinion (but I think you're wrong - I believe Biden will win big in SC forward). But when this Ukraine stuff occurred, Biden was the far-in-the-lead front-runner and presumed nominee.
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Primary voters seeing that Trump is so afraid of a Biden nomination that he was willing to commit impeachable offenses to hurt Biden, I think is helping Biden. Biden shutting down a pro-Trump heckler today was a beautiful sight.
 
bradt99 said:
And he'll get his ass kicked in the debates by Trump. I can't believe you guys are going down this road by nominating another establishment candidate like Hillary was.
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I might agree. Which is why I don't want Bidden as the nominee.
 
MTAtech said:
The facts are that there was no rational reason to investigate either Biden.
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LOL, that coming from someone who is all for investigating Trump, constantly since he took office, for no rational reason!
 
GDViking said:
Don't have to it's a historical fact, just as Nixon had to turn over his tapes.

The country has been through this before a d trump legally has to turn over anything requested...
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In other words, you just blurted it out and can't back it up. As I thought. Carry on with your liberalism, you are well qualified.
 
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