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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by sjmay View Post
    A lot of it is backed up with footnotes, references, etc.

    Regardless of what you think about it, they did a damn good job of backing up that paper, more than the Democrats did in the hearing.

    It nails it when it says Demorcrats are relying on how people felt, and are telling people how to feel, while Republicans are laying out the facts through quotes and testimony to back up their positions.
    Yep which is all they had to begin with.
    feelings do not trump actual evidence.

    that whole 2 weeks was a **** show for leftist.
    it was an utter disaster when you key star witnesses go yeah i don't have any evidence i just made assumptions and speculation.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Only if you're willing to believe and accept lies which, as a Trump defender, you clearly are.


    I just read them. Nowhere does it answer my question.

    So I'll ask again and watch you run away again:


    There's no need to post lies, I literally quoted that...are you going to address what I said?

    "C'mon, that is just absolutely laughable. If the President of the United States genuinely thought Ukraine was corrupt, why would he ask them to investigate a United States citizen? How unbelievably stupid is that logic and how unbelievably stupid does one have to be to actually believe that?"

    Please address that. If Trump has a long distrust and a "deep-seated" distrust of Ukraine due to "pervasive corruption", why would the President of the United States want them to investigate a United States citizen?

    Please answer that question. Or run away, which is what I suspect you will do.

    He wouldn't, now please show me a single piece of EVIDENCE, showing that is what he asked.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, if the Trump administration hadn't been obstructing this entire time, allowed people with better knowledge to be called, and released documents subpoenaed by Congress, there might be more bite to the deflections.
    no one was obstruction see executive privilege.
    the transcript was released it was deemed highly accurate by vindman.
    and there was no quid pro quo in there either.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no one was obstruction see executive privilege.
    the transcript was released it was deemed highly accurate by vindman.
    and there was no quid pro quo in there either.
    You had Giuliani running behind the scenes making Trump's demands. Trump just needs to ask for that "favor" is all.

    There's enough in the testimony given to give rise to suspicion and demand more accountability and less obstruction. We won't get it, there's probably a reason the Trump White House is obstructing so much. So we'll never hear from the major players or see any of the hidden documentation. But in a Republic that has been continuing to lose its grip over the Federal Government, I don't think that ignoring possible major crimes is a good move.
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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Trump supporters have decided, for various reasons, that the things they want to accomplish politically are more important than Republic itself. That's why they have dispensed with the burden of having to deal honestly with their political opponents. You see, they do not view members of the Democratic Party to be legitimate participants in the same political system, but only as enemies worthy of total destruction. Having a Democratic Senator or Congressman sit in judgment of Trump is just as ludicrous as having the Supreme Leader of Iran or Kim Jong-un of North Korea sit in judgment of Trump.

    The same thing happened immediately before the Civil War. Southern plantation owners decided that slavery was an institution more valuable to themselves than the Republic.

    The same thing happened during the Roman Republic in the 2nd century BC when the Gracchus brothers attempted to implement land reform policies that diminished the wealth of the Senators. So the Senators just murdered them.

    Land reform in the Roman republic - Wikipedia

    This is what Trump supporters think of their political opponents:

    Four Were Hanged In 1865 Democrat Coup Involving Lincoln’s Assassination - None from 2016 Democrat Coup to Take Out Trump

    Democrats running the House are planning today to release their bogus report on fake and made up crimes supposedly committed by President Trump that would warrant impeaching President Trump.
    President Trump is arguably the best US President since Lincoln, the last great President removed from office by Democrats.

    Lincoln was assassinated after holding the country together and freeing Democrat owned slaves during the great Civil War. President Trump is too good for the Democrats. He has an ‘America First’ agenda which the traitorous Democrats and elites despise.

    It’s time that we Americans stand and call this what it is. This is another Democrat attempt to remove a President through any means necessary. It is seditious and treasonous. The Democrats in the 1860’s that were in on the Lincoln assassination were killed in their escape or hanged high.

    We are entering a new phase when it’s time to hold all seditious and treasonous Democrats who actively act to remove President Trump from office to the same fate!
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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I mean, it's not hard to find it...

    https://republicans-oversight.house....sentatives.pdf

    It also contains this absolute gem: "The evidence shows that President Trump holds a deep-seated, genuine, and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption."

    C'mon, that is just absolutely laughable. If the President of the United States genuinely thought Ukraine was corrupt, why would he ask them to investigate a United States citizen? How unbelievably stupid is that logic and how unbelievably stupid does one have to be to actually believe that?
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    this is laughable. who DOESN'T Believe that the ukraine has dealt in a lot of corruption in the recent past? I don't think EITHER side denies that fact.

    same as the other dems, all you have is your OPINION of what the president thinks to prove his guilt.

    look you can throw a brick into the air as many times as you want, and it still won't fly.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You had Giuliani running behind the scenes making Trump's demands. Trump just needs to ask for that "favor" is all.
    Indeed, and Trump directed Zelensky to Giuliani for his marching orders.

    Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is pure TWILIGHT ZONE alternate reality that only the GOP dwell in and seem quite happy there. They have betrayed America, the American people and our Constitution.
    Couldn't agree more, along with Trump the new Trump Party has turned their backs on this country, our people and the constitution. Trump has been poking the eyes of the Americans and our allies, and his worshipers get their jollies from it, that's how foolish they are. Little do they know that their eyes aren't protected from this Traitor in Chief either. They have been fed disinformation by this scumbag from day one, and are now too conditioned to even distinguish falsehoods from reality. Sad state for this country, spiraling down into the sewers.
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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    The only people pushing false russian conspiracies are schiff and leftists.
    that was proven in the mueller report.
    No it wasn't. Mueller documented numerous occasions in which people in the Trump campaign reached out to Russia and Wikileaks in order to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. One instance was televised when Trump asked for that assistance on live t.v.. That's before we even get to the Trump tower meeting and the conviction of Roger Stone for lying to Congress over this very issue. The Democratic parties and the American people's concern over Trumps association with Russia and Putin is more than warranted and ongoing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin
    Actually no one that testified provided any evidence to support in fact when they asked if they had any evidence they said no.
    sondland specifically said that no one told him he just assumed. when he did asked he was told nothing.
    Wrong. They all testified that the effort to illicit an investigation in exchange for military was obvious, from the Ambassador on down to the people in OMB. We don't need Trump to confess in order to be certain when everyone around him who'll testify says he did it and everyone who could supposedly clear him refuses to.

    The American people are not as stupid as you are pretending to be and the reckoning of Trump and Republican party is coming.

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    Re: Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Debator View Post
    No it wasn't. Mueller documented numerous occasions in which people in the Trump campaign reached out to Russia and Wikileaks in order to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. One instance was televised when Trump asked for that assistance on live t.v.. That's before we even get to the Trump tower meeting and the conviction of Roger Stone for lying to Congress over this very issue. The Democratic parties and the American people's concern over Trumps association with Russia and Putin is more than warranted and ongoing.



    Wrong. They all testified that the effort to illicit an investigation in exchange for military was obvious, from the Ambassador on down to the people in OMB. We don't need Trump to confess in order to be certain when everyone around him who'll testify says he did it and everyone who could supposedly clear him refuses to.

    The American people are not as stupid as you are pretending to be and the reckoning of Trump and Republican party is coming.
    It was so obvious, that they literally testified, that they didn't make the connection at the time......

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