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Barr disputes key inspector general finding about FBI’s Russia investigation

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Since Horowitz has failed to confirm right wing conspiracy theories, Barr is having what is known in the psychiatric profession as a "boo hoo." Sadly for him, the IG operates independently of DOJ leadership, so Barr cannot change the findings.

Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report — that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horo*witz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding that the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...64f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

But as has already been noted previously, Barr does have authority over his famed "Durham report," which he can present as (entirely nebulously) supporting right wing conspiracy theories.
 
Cardinal said:
Since Horowitz has failed to confirm right wing conspiracy theories, Barr is having what is known in the psychiatric profession as a "boo hoo." Sadly for him, the IG operates independently of DOJ leadership, so Barr cannot change the findings.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...64f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

But as has already been noted previously, Barr does have authority over his famed "Durham report," which he can present as (entirely nebulously) supporting right wing conspiracy theories.
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Which opinion do you think do you think Comey fears the most the IG or Barr
 
SLC said:
Which opinion do you think do you think Comey fears the most the IG or Barr
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Neither. He won’t fear the IG report because it doesn’t confirm right wing conspiracy theories, and he won’t fear Barr’s report because it will be too nebulous to result in fines, prosecution or any other penalties. It’s technically possible that Barr will have uncovered that Comey looked at porn on a company computer, and that would certainly be embarrassing.
 
Cardinal said:
Since Horowitz has failed to confirm right wing conspiracy theories, Barr is having what is known in the psychiatric profession as a "boo hoo." Sadly for him, the IG operates independently of DOJ leadership, so Barr cannot change the findings.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...64f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

But as has already been noted previously, Barr does have authority over his famed "Durham report," which he can present as (entirely nebulously) supporting right wing conspiracy theories.
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You called this right, so long ago. In spades!
 
Cardinal said:
Since Horowitz has failed to confirm right wing conspiracy theories, Barr is having what is known in the psychiatric profession as a "boo hoo." Sadly for him, the IG operates independently of DOJ leadership, so Barr cannot change the findings.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...64f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

But as has already been noted previously, Barr does have authority over his famed "Durham report," which he can present as (entirely nebulously) supporting right wing conspiracy theories.
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Horowitz is obviously part of the deep state. I bet Trump never even met the guy and that people are saying that he was involved in some very bad things.
 
Chomsky said:
You called this right, so long ago. In spades!
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It’s not a hard one to call. At the core of all right wing conspiracy theories is...nothing at all.
 
Cardinal said:
Neither. He won’t fear the IG report because it doesn’t confirm right wing conspiracy theories, and he won’t fear Barr’s report because it will be too nebulous to result in fines, prosecution or any other penalties. It’s technically possible that Barr will have uncovered that Comey looked at porn on a company computer, and that would certainly be embarrassing.
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Nice porn Strawman. The IG will do the same as he has done in the past. He will give a scathing rebuke of the crappy job Comey did. Now Barr is looking into the origin of the investigation and has done an investigation of his own. It appears he and assumably Durham think something about the origin of the Russia investigation isn’t right. And that very possibly will lead to indictments and not just a scathing rebuke.
 
SLC said:
Nice porn Strawman. The IG will do the same as he has done in the past. He will give a scathing rebuke of the crappy job Comey did. Now Barr is looking into the origin of the investigation and has done an investigation of its own. It appears he and assumably Durham think something about the origin of the Russia investigation isn’t right. And that very possibly will lead to indictments and not just a scathing rebuke.
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And when the feared Durham report fails to deliver, will you finally accept that the Russian investigation was legit? Or will you go to your death bed certain that Detective SLC knows better than everyone else?
 
Cardinal said:
It’s not a hard one to call. At the core of all right wing conspiracy theories is...nothing at all.
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That's a helluva' statement.

That's why I'm starting to think much of MAGA is not delusions, but is "permission slips". How can anyone justify bringing a foreign power into our electoral process? Hard to do, unless you invent a permission slip!
 
Chomsky said:
That's a helluva' statement.

That's why I'm starting to think much of MAGA is not delusions, but is "permission slips". How can anyone justify bringing a foreign power into our electoral process? Hard to do, unless you invent a permission slip!
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Agreed, except that those permission slips are very much based in delusion.
 
SLC said:
Nice porn Strawman. The IG will do the same as he has done in the past. He will give a scathing rebuke of the crappy job Comey did. Now Barr is looking into the origin of the investigation and has done an investigation of his own. It appears he and assumably Durham think something about the origin of the Russia investigation isn’t right. And that very possibly will lead to indictments and not just a scathing rebuke.
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You know this was done with Benghazi & the server, right? We've been down this nonsense road before.
 
:roll: Another Obama holdover.

The greatest mistake President Trump made was believing Obama appointees were anything but totally corrupt partisan politicians who don't give a damn about the United States, laws or truth. Rather, they are partisan hacks, which is why Obama appointed him.

Shouldn't Barr openly be Trump's "wingman" like Obama's AG bragged he was as his job - do anything to the DOJ to protect Obama politically and legally every way possible?
 
Chomsky said:
That's a helluva' statement.

That's why I'm starting to think much of MAGA is not delusions, but is "permission slips". How can anyone justify bringing a foreign power into our electoral process? Hard to do, unless you invent a permission slip!
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Let's hope there's still a Hall Monitor.
 
Chomsky said:
You know this was done with Benghazi & the server, right? We've been down this nonsense road before.
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And it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we revisited Benghazi, because they’ve been pulling out all the old hits. You know what name I’ve been hearing a lot of lately? Whitewater. Seriously.
 
Cardinal said:
Agreed, except that those permission slips are very much based in delusion.
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Not wanting to argue detail as we sometimes do ... but it's not delusion (at least by most).

The politicos & Trump-GOP media are doing this with purposeful intent, not through misbelief. And, I believe many Trumpers are cognizant of this. A permission slip is not about believing a false fact, but rather about using it to justify unacceptable behaviour.

Permission slips in original political context were used to justify not voting for black candidates. Rather than admit you would not vote for a black candidate, you claimed you could not vote for a guy that did [insert falsity]. This is what I believe is happening here with Trump in many instances - just in reverse fashion. Instead of permission to not vote for a candidate, it is permission to not condemn and withdraw support as Trump commits otherwise unacceptable behaviour.
 
Title should read "Obama appointee disagrees with the US Attorney General."
 
Chomsky said:
You know this was done with Benghazi & the server, right? We've been down this nonsense road before.
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Folks, enough of this prattle. It is obvious to all except the lame that Bill Barr is not the AG for the American people but is simply a lawyer for Trump. He is nothing more than a yes man for Trump.
Enough said, folks.
 
joko104 said:
:roll: Another Obama holdover.

The greatest mistake President Trump made was believing Obama appointees were anything but totally corrupt partisan politicians who don't give a damn about the United States, laws or truth. Rather, they are partisan hacks, which is why Obama appointed him.

Shouldn't Barr openly be Trump's "wingman" like Obama's AG bragged he was as his job - do anything to the DOJ to protect Obama politically and legally every way possible?
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Barr should be the People's wingman, not Trump's.
 
Chomsky said:
Not wanting to argue detail as we sometimes do ... but it's not delusion (at least by most).

The politicos & Trump-GOP media are doing this with purposeful intent, not through misbelief. And, I believe many Trumpers are cognizant of this. A permission slip is not about believing a false fact, but rather about using it to justify unacceptable behaviour.

Permission slips in original political context were used to justify not voting for black candidates. Rather than admit you would not vote for a black candidate, you claimed you could not vote for a guy that did [insert falsity]. This is what I believe is happening here with Trump in many instances - just in reverse fashion. Instead of permission to not vote for a candidate, it is permission to not condemn and withdraw support as Trump commits otherwise unacceptable behaviour.
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I don’t have a lot of energy to ponder whether the falsity is deliberate or a demonstration of delusion. It’s almost certainly both, though.
 
Cardinal said:
And when the feared Durham report fails to deliver, will you finally accept that the Russian investigation was legit? Or will you go to your death bed certain that Detective SLC knows better than everyone else?
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When???? Don’t you mean IF or do you have a mole in the Durham investigation? I’ll accept whatever Durham finds. Not accepting things that are legally done is what the Dems do. He HRC still thinks she won the 2016 election :lamo
 
Cardinal said:
I don’t have a lot of energy to ponder whether the falsity is deliberate or a demonstration of delusion. It’s almost certainly both, though.
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Yes, agreed.

"Permission slip" is an old term that I know goes back to just after Civil Rights. It may even go back further, but I'm not aware. However today, it is possible some are too lacking to understand it's an invented falsehood for their purpose! So much for evolution of the species!
 
SLC said:
When???? Don’t you mean IF or do you have a mole in the Durham investigation?
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Yes. When. See post 6.

You’re going to need a subsequently announced investigation to look forward to.
 
So you KNOW no indictments will come out of the Durham investigation? Are you confident enough in that position to make a friendly wager?
 
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