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Mexican Cartel violence: 22 dead in shoot-out near Texas border area

It is not a "gun violence problem", anymore than Afghanistan's issues can be boiled down to gun or bomb violence, Superfly. Mexico suffers from rampant state capture. In certain areas, if you are a government official and you do not want to do as the cartel tells you, they will kill you and your whole family, and little can be done to stop them. You take your orders and your bribe money from the Cartels, and if you don't, you die.


And how did all 22 die? Harsh words? No. Guns.

We can’t clean out from under their doorstop until we clean out from under our own.
 
It is not a "gun violence problem", anymore than Afghanistan's issues can be boiled down to gun or bomb violence, Superfly. Mexico suffers from rampant state capture. In certain areas, if you are a government official and you do not want to do as the cartel tells you, they will kill you and your whole family, and little can be done to stop them. You take your orders and your bribe money from the Cartels, and if you don't, you die.

Mexico suffers from exactly what it deserves to suffer from.

They have the money, man power, and the expertise to turn the cartels into a little greasy spot.

The Mexican government is the problem because they are exploiting cowards who want to take in the taxes without representing the people, and take in money from the cartels at the same time.

At the end of the day, the government officials go home to their gated communities surrounded by high walls and armed police force to protect them.
 
What political ideology are they trying to push?

They are narcoterrorists.

Read the post I responded to on the thread. Felis Leo describes what they are in his post.
 
So don't buy from them.

A clear and simple solution to a complex problem. And I have little doubt that you are familiar with the H.L. Mencken quote, that "for every complex problem there is a solution that is clear, simple and wrong." If your argument is that these violent criminal organizations will simply die on the vine if we simply legalize their illicit products, that is belied by all evidence on the ground and from history. The Mafia did not disappear when Prohibition ended.

When a massive, well-organized and brutally violent criminal organization which has spent years engaging in state capture and seeings to embed itself into every facet of economic activity in a country through extortion, racketeering and murder, do you honestly think they are going to peacefully relinquish that control?
 
A clear and simple solution to a complex problem. And I have little doubt that you are familiar with the H.L. Mencken quote, that "for every complex problem there is a solution that is clear, simple and wrong." If your argument is that these violent criminal organizations will simply die on the vine if we simply legalize their illicit products, that is belied by all evidence on the ground. When a massive, well-organized and brutally violent criminal organization which has spent years engaging in state capture and seeings to embed itself into every facet of economic activity in a country through extortion, racketeering and murder, do you honestly think they are going to peacefully relinquish that control?

It's pretty easy. We trade with South America all the tie, yes? If certain businesses have been linked to crimes, stop trading or buying from said businesses. We do that all the time here.
 
What they want is for us to stop supplying the cartels with weapons by strengthening our gun laws.

If only Trump would stop sending them AK47s.

Oh wait...Obama did that. My bad!
 
I didn't realize the black market equals turf wars, drug wars and the murders of thousands of people.

If you didn't, then you've never paid any attention.
 
Should our gun laws be as strict as Mexico's?

Straw man purchase laws must be strictly enforced. In Arizona Judges have ruled that the paper you sign swearing that the gun purchase is for yourself is void as soon as you leave the store and you can sell it the parking lot to anyone you choose. That is unacceptable.
 
Anywhere there's a black market.

The context is legal drugs. The subject was marijuana being legal in some states. Some posters here have claimed with links that the black markets exist despite marijuana being legal. So the question is: is the level of violence in the black market the same after the legalization?
 
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