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Trump Says Taliban Peace Talks Have Resumed in Surprise Afghanistan Trip

TU Curmudgeon said:
In a situation where "A" and "B" are saying different things about "X", and where "A" DOES have a reason NOT to tell the truth about "X" while "B" DOES NOT have a reason NOT to tell the truth about "X", the smart money bets that "A" IS NOT telling the truth about "X" while "B" IS telling the truth about "X".

Of course, sometimes the long-shot DOES win the horse race. (But you can go really really really broke if you always bet on the long-shot.)
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Where did you get the idea the Taliban have no reason to lie?
 
Mason66 said:
That has nothing to do with believing a terrorist organization over the President.
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Considering Trump's long history of lies and deceit, unless someone else is proven to be just as dishonest, you trust them over Trump every time. Duh!
 
j brown's body said:
Uh-huh

And that's just through 2017.
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Makes one wonder just how gullible someone would have to be to believe Trump. I suspect that many know he's lying, but want to support Trump's true Evangelical Christian values.
 
Mason66 said:
Where did you get the idea the Taliban have no reason to lie?
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Because they can achieve the same ends by telling the truth and without the adverse consequences of being found out to be lying.

Did you happen to miss my

"... the smart money bets that "A" IS NOT telling the truth about "X" while "B" IS telling the truth about "X".

Of course, sometimes the long-shot DOES win the horse race. (But you can go really really really broke if you always bet on the long-shot.)"
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or did you just decide that anyone who didn't agree with your assessment was lying regardless of what the facts were likely to be?
 
JustHanging said:
Makes one wonder just how gullible someone would have to be to believe Trump. I suspect that many know he's lying, but want to support Trump's true Evangelical Christian values.
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Alternatively, they could be unconsciously doing what they are doing so that they don't have to admit to themselves what kind of a person they voted in as the President of the United States of America.
 
ElChupacabra said:
As I stated in my response to apdst, what will be key is the role of the Afghan government because whatever deal is struck will apply to them more than the US. If I were a Taliban negotiator, I would be confident that this administration is looking to get a deal done for campaign purposes as well; that much was hinted in that quote where a top Taliban official stated "We don’t think he has not much of a choice".

I think they also know that potentially violating a ceasefire deal will only be threatening if the US is willing to send troops back in; should there be a large scale withdrawal. All of this is speculative, but we won't know until we get a clear sense of what deal is struck. In this regard we haven't seen much success from this administration (North Korea, China) being examples. I'll reserve judgement until I see the final agreement and the role of the Afghan government in it all.
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The Taliban have already got most of what they wanted out of these negotiations. They refused to come to the table until the Afghan government was cut out of the negotiations, which it was back in 2018.
 
apdst said:
The point is: it isn't quite the "surprise" that's been suggested. Turns out that it's another Left wing lie.
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er uh ap, where's the foaming at the mouth you seem to get when someone discusses peace talks with the Taliban?


apdst said:
{Obama} wants to cut a deal with the enemy. Be prepared for troop morale to sink even farther.
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apdst said:
I don't think this was Bush's strategy, but even if it was, that's doesn't excuse PBO for breaking bread with the bad guys.

PBO seems to side with the bad guys alot, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he's ready to practically surrender to the Tallies.
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Vern said:
er uh ap, where's the foaming at the mouth you seem to get when someone discusses peace talks with the Taliban?
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Vern, Vern, Vern, Vern -

When will you ever learn that "That's DIFFERENT!!!".
 
Torus34 said:
If the reports of the last 'peace talks' were true [Ed.: In these latter days, truth is relatively malleable and peace is frangible,] they resembled the world powers of the time divvying up Africa without bothering to consult the Africans. This latest attempt doesn't seem to be different in kind.
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Which is exactly what tRump did to the Kurds. :(
 
Phys251 said:
Which is exactly what tRump did to the Kurds. :(
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The Kurds have not been well-treated by the US, regardless of the administration. They have been used but not, shall we say, well-paid for their efforts.

Regards.
 
Torus34 said:
The Kurds have not been well-treated by the US, regardless of the administration. They have been used but not, shall we say, well-paid for their efforts.

Regards.
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There's been mistreatment and then there's been Trump.
 
Somerville said:
Once again, the president tells the world that something is happening when reality says otherwise.


The 'resumption' of peace talks announcement seems to have surprised not only the Taliban but also the Afghan government.
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Now that Trump has won the war, expect a quick withdrawal.
 
Vern said:
er uh ap, where's the foaming at the mouth you seem to get when someone discusses peace talks with the Taliban?
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I was only pointing out the Liberals lied, again. I still say we should bomb the Tals out of existance and peace talks are a waste of time.
 
apdst said:
I was only pointing out the Liberals lied, again. I still say we should bomb the Tals out of existance and peace talks are a waste of time.
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yea, but you were so mad before. You disparaged President Obama for even thinking about it. Now you're just "I don't really agree". I'm not seeing the anger and froth. I guess the cult you're in prevents you from posting what you really think.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
The Taliban have already got most of what they wanted out of these negotiations. They refused to come to the table until the Afghan government was cut out of the negotiations, which it was back in 2018.
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Yep. Which is why I think this is destined to fail. Not including the government which will be in charge once the US leaves doesn't make sense.
 
Vern said:
yea, but you so mad before. You disparaged President Obama for even thinking about it. Now you're just "I don't really agree". I'm not seeing the anger and froth. I guess the cult you're in prevents you from posting what you really think.
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Then there's the comical "bomb them out of existence" when history has shown pure aerial bombardments are not going to eliminate a guerrilla foe like the Taliban. Even if that were possible, there's what to do about whatever extremist group rises out of those ashes.
 
Vern said:
yea, but you were so mad before. You disparaged President Obama for even thinking about it. Now you're just "I don't really agree". I'm not seeing the anger and froth. I guess the cult you're in prevents you from posting what you really think.
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Cults are like that. You go against what dear leader believes, and you're out of the cult in a big hurry. Trump's appears to be no different.

Just look at the smear attacks he's leveled at his own appointees when they did'nt toe the line.
 
Vern said:
yea, but you were so mad before. You disparaged President Obama for even thinking about it. Now you're just "I don't really agree". I'm not seeing the anger and froth. I guess the cult you're in prevents you from posting what you really think.
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Are you still cool with cutting a deal with the Tals, Vern?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yep. Which is why I think this is destined to fail. Not including the government which will be in charge once the US leaves doesn't make sense.
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Are you sure that the "government which will be in charge once the US leaves" is actually NOT being included?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Are you sure that the "government which will be in charge once the US leaves" is actually NOT being included?
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In the earlier rounds of negotiations, the Taliban refused to come to the table until the GoIRA was excluded from the talks. I see no indication that has changed this time around, and if the US insists on bringing the GoIRA into the talks I doubt the Taliban will take them seriously, or even attend.
 
apdst said:
Are you still cool with cutting a deal with the Tals, Vern?
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17 of the 19 stupid pathetic losers who perpetrated the WTC/Pentagon mass murders were Saudis.

The Saudis were responsible for the murder of a person who was an American resident and on track to become an American citizen.

The Saudis are involved in a "genocidal" war in Yemen.

A Saudi (who along with his Saudi cohorts watched "mass killing" videos and whose cohorts recorded his deeds) was responsible for killing people at the U.S. Navy base in Pensacola.

Members of the Saudi government are deeply involved in "funding terrorism" (on the basis of "We will give you money as long as you don't commit your attacks in Saudi Arabia.").

Are you still OK with "The Saudis are our friends.".
 
Jredbaron96 said:
In the earlier rounds of negotiations, the Taliban refused to come to the table until the GoIRA was excluded from the talks. I see no indication that has changed this time around, and if the US insists on bringing the GoIRA into the talks I doubt the Taliban will take them seriously, or even attend.
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OK, let me re-phrase that.

"Are you sure that the "government which will be in charge -once- _three months after the US leaves_" is actually NOT being included?
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(Feel free to substitute "six" or "nine" for the "three".)
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
17 of the 19 stupid pathetic losers who perpetrated the WTC/Pentagon mass murders were Saudis.

The Saudis were responsible for the murder of a person who was an American resident and on track to become an American citizen.

The Saudis are involved in a "genocidal" war in Yemen.

A Saudi (who along with his Saudi cohorts watched "mass killing" videos and whose cohorts recorded his deeds) was responsible for killing people at the U.S. Navy base in Pensacola.

Members of the Saudi government are deeply involved in "funding terrorism" (on the basis of "We will give you money as long as you don't commit your attacks in Saudi Arabia.").

Are you still OK with "The Saudis are our friends.".
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19 of the 19 high-jackers were Muslims. Are you trying to say that Muslims are our friends?
 
apdst said:
19 of the 19 high-jackers were Muslims. Are you trying to say that Muslims are our friends?
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Which, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual question that you were actually asked.

There are approximately 1,800,000,000 Muslims in the world. Are you trying to tell me that ALL 1,800,000,000 of them are "America's Enemy"?

If so, is your "solution" to

  1. Eliminate Islam totally;
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  2. Eliminate all people who have any trace of "Muslim Blood"; or
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  3. Both 1. and 2. above?

I eagerly await you setting out your detailed program to implement "The Final Solution to the Muslim Problem".
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Are you sure that the "government which will be in charge once the US leaves" is actually NOT being included?
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Well that's an interesting question. The Taliban hasn't been interested in talking to the current Afghan government, but if that changes during these new talks there might be some progress into a lasting peace. There is of course the distinct possibility it will be the Taliban running the show since they control the vast rural areas.
 
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