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Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

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The President's comments and his intervention -- at the urging of Fox News commentators -- reflect another worry among military leaders that Trump continues to be influenced by the network in ways that encourage him to politicize the military, an institution that is meant to stay above the political fray.

Top military leaders say they are concerned about Trump's divisive rhetoric and politicization of the military. They also tell CNN they worry the President's mercurial management style -- often expressed through tweets -- may be undermining national security by making military planning increasingly difficult.
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Worry rises in Pentagon over Trump'''s decision making - CNNPolitics

For his disparagement of ****-hole countries, he certainly aspires to their levels of corruption.

In a sense, it was only a matter of time.

If he gets a second term, don't be surprised if he implements personal loyalty oathes among "my warfighters".
 
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Trump wouldn't know what a warfighter is if he sat next to one. All he cares about is his image and so he does what he thinks will help him. Anyone who thinks he cares about our service people are kidding themselves.
 
j brown's body said:
Worry rises in Pentagon over Trump'''s decision making - CNNPolitics

For his disparagement of ****-hole countries, he certainly aspires to their levels of corruption.

In a sense, it was only a matter of time.
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Meanwhile:

Military Times poll: 44% of troops support President Trump. If you're in the military, you're more likely to support President Trump than not, according to a new poll. The Military Times poll found that 44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.
 
Mycroft said:
Those "top military leaders" are free to move on if they don't like Trump's decisions and actions.

But guess what...the military won't miss them if they do.
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ocean515 said:
Meanwhile:

Military Times poll: 44% of troops support President Trump. If you're in the military, you're more likely to support President Trump than not, according to a new poll. The Military Times poll found that 44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.
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The politicization of the military is the work of tyrants. It should be obvious that a divided military is not in our country's best interest.
 
Mycroft said:
Those "top military leaders" are free to move on if they don't like Trump's decisions and actions.

But guess what...the military won't miss them if they do.
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Wrong again. Those who take an oath and mean it are different from those who just mouth the words.
 
Mycroft said:
Those "top military leaders" are free to move on if they don't like Trump's decisions and actions.

But guess what...the military won't miss them if they do.
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Because stability, order, integrity and the rule of law have no place in a military. Chaos, impulsiveness, and partisanship are the orders of the day

He can get rid of the generals and put Rudy in charge, if he doesn't go to prison.
 
Waiting for "Trump" branded "Trump Seals" with gold scuba gear.
 
j brown's body said:
The politicization of the military is the work of tyrants. It should be obvious that a divided military is not in our country's best interest.
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LMAO!

Obama totally politicized the top brass.

It was his way or the highway.

He fire 197 officers in 5 years.
 
Rising Sun said:
Wrong again. Those who take an oath and mean it are different from those who just mouth the words.
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Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to tell the President what to do, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to tell your company commander what to do.

Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to lie to your direct superior, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to lie to your company commander.

It appears that Spencer, during his five years on active duty, never learned that lesson.


Everyone in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to disagree with the Commander in Chief.

Nobody in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to act upon that disagreement...

...except to remove themselves from the chain of command.
 
ocean515 said:
Meanwhile:

Military Times poll: 44% of troops support President Trump. If you're in the military, you're more likely to support President Trump than not, according to a new poll. The Military Times poll found that 44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.
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IIRC, that was primarily among junior enlisted personnel with the senior NCOs and Officer corps much less favorable.
 
Mycroft said:
Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to tell the President what to do, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to tell your company commander what to do.

Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to lie to your direct superior, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to lie to your company commander.

It appears that Spencer, during his five years on active duty, never learned that lesson.


Everyone in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to disagree with the Commander in Chief.

Nobody in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to act upon that disagreement...

...except to remove themselves from the chain of command.
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They don't have a right to expect the president to respect the law?

Your suggestion that they can disagree with the president assumes that the president's words and actions express a coherent policy upon which one can disagree. That seems to be missing. Perhaps they should check with Fox News? That seems to be where Mr. Trump is getting his ideas.
 
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Mycroft said:
Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to tell the President what to do, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to tell your company commander what to do.

Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to lie to your direct superior, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to lie to your company commander.

It appears that Spencer, during his five years on active duty, never learned that lesson.

Everyone in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to disagree with the Commander in Chief.

Nobody in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to act upon that disagreement...

...except to remove themselves from the chain of command.
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Thanks for the excellent example of goalpost moving!

First, Spencer was acting as an appointee, not active duty. Second, he honorably resigned from his job when he could no longer honor his oath. Third, a unlawful order doesn't have to t be followed. Something most civilians don't understand.
 
j brown's body said:
They don't have a right to expect the president to respect the law?

Your suggestion that they can disagree with the president assumes that the president's words and actions express a coherent policy upon which one can disagree. That seems to be missing. Perhaps they should check with Fox News? That seems to be where Mr. Trump is getting his ideas.
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The President has done nothing against the law. Hell, not even Spencer has suggested such a thing.
 
Mycroft said:
The President has done nothing against the law. Hell, not even Spencer has suggested such a thing.
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He has circumvented military law. That is an example of not following it, as you said, or respecting it, as I said.
 
Rising Sun said:
Thanks for the excellent example of goalpost moving!

First, Spencer was acting as an appointee, not active duty. Second, he honorably resigned from his job when he could no longer honor his oath. Third, a unlawful order doesn't have to t be followed. Something most civilians don't understand.
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Spencer didn't resign because he could no longer honor his oath. He resigned because the SecDef told him to resign...because he violated the chain of command and lied to the SecDef about it.

Those two reasons were a direct violation...by Spencer...of his oath. He got what he deserved.
 
Mycroft said:
The President has done nothing against the law. Hell, not even Spencer has suggested such a thing.
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It appears he solicited a bribe. Can it be the only one or just the only one where he was caught?
 
j brown's body said:
He has circumvented military law. That is an example of not following it.
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No. Trump did not circumvent military law.

If you think he did, then present the law that you think Trump circumvented. (hint: just saying it happened isn't good enough)
 
Mycroft said:
Spencer didn't resign because he could no longer honor his oath. He resigned because the SecDef told him to resign...because he violated the chain of command and lied to the SecDef about it.

Those two reasons were a direct violation...by Spencer...of his oath. He got what he deserved.
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Meh. History will reveal who is telling the truth here. My guess is that it's not the lying, draft-dodging coward.
 
Rising Sun said:
It appears he solicited a bribe. Can it be the only one or just the only one where he was caught?
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???

Are you saying Trump tried to bribe Spencer?

:roll:
 
Rising Sun said:
Meh. History will reveal who is telling the truth here. My guess is that it's not the lying, draft-dodging coward.
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You don't need to wait for "history". Just listen to the guy who forced Spencer to resign. He told up clearly why he did it.
 
j brown's body said:
Because stability, order, integrity and the rule of law have no place in a military. Chaos, impulsiveness, and partisanship are the orders of the day

He can get rid of the generals and put Rudy in charge, if he doesn't go to prison.
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I'm hoping your first sentence was written in jest and sarcasm...
 
Mycroft said:
???

Are you saying Trump tried to bribe Spencer?

:roll:
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No, but if you can't keep up with current events, I can't help you.

Mycroft said:
You don't need to wait for "history". Just listen to the guy who forced Spencer to resign. He told up clearly why he did it.
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Hard pass because that's silly. You are free to jump on any bandwagon you like, but I'll wait for the dust to settle.
 
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