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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You admitted those officers were fired. Stop weaseling.
    I provided a list of 9 flag rank officers who were pushed out owing to their violations of the military codes. I did not provide support for your claim of "Obama fired 197 officers" nor have you given the readers any backup for your assertions.
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I provided a list of 9 flag rank officers who were pushed out owing to their violations of the military codes. I did not provide support for your claim of "Obama fired 197 officers" nor have you given the readers any backup for your assertions.
    Justify however you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama fired 197 officers.
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Justify however you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama fired 197 officers.
    Rather sad that you continue to post something for which you can't provide support. Do you really hate former President Barack Hussein Obama that much?
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Justify however you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama fired 197 officers.
    Rather sad that you continue to post something for which you can't provide support. Do you really hate former President Barack Hussein Obama that much?
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    1. There won't be any personal loyalty oaths. That's just paranoid ramblings demonstrating a thing grasp on reality.

    2. Obama purged the military of nearly 200 top ranking officers. That's a more concerning action that what you're complaining about here.
    With regard to "Obama purged the military of nearly 200 top ranking officers", what we have left is the dregs of the corps (those still loyal to Obama). It will take us decades to rebuild the officer corps with senior officers who can reason and think rationally. The sooner Trump runs the ones Obama left, the better off we will be.
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Please provide your source for the claim about Obama purging the military. Might it be one of the following: The Blaze, World Net Daily or Breitbart?
    Are you kidding? It wasn't any of your favorite news sources. Try the various service's "Times".
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to tell the President what to do, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to tell your company commander what to do.

    Taking an oath doesn't mean you have the right to lie to your direct superior, just as taking an oath doesn't mean you have a right to lie to your company commander.

    It appears that Spencer, during his five years on active duty, never learned that lesson.


    Everyone in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to disagree with the Commander in Chief.

    Nobody in the military, from the boot camp recruit to the SecDef, has the right to act upon that disagreement...

    ...except to remove themselves from the chain of command.
    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Article 90 states that military personnel need to obey the "lawful orders of his/her superior. The duty and obligation to obey lawful orders creates no grey area for discussion. But does the military member have a duty to DISOBEY “unlawful orders” including orders of senior officers, Secretary of Defense and even the President of the United States? The UCMJ actually protects the soldier in this situation as he/she has a moral and legal obligation to the Constitution and not to obey unlawful orders and the people who issue them.

    These have to be strong examples of a direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ and not the military member’s own opinion.
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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by j brown's body View Post
    Worry rises in Pentagon over Trump'''s decision making - CNNPolitics

    For his disparagement of ****-hole countries, he certainly aspires to their levels of corruption.

    In a sense, it was only a matter of time.

    If he gets a second term, don't be surprised if he implements personal loyalty oathes among "my warfighters".
    There is no Trump corruption.

    Too bad if anyone in the military dared go against their oath to express their own misguided political feelings.

    The UCMJ covers that and it should be made clear to all who would be tempted to do the same, that their life or a large chunk of it, will be the price for their politicking.

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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Article 90 states that military personnel need to obey the "lawful orders of his/her superior. The duty and obligation to obey lawful orders creates no grey area for discussion. But does the military member have a duty to DISOBEY “unlawful orders” including orders of senior officers, Secretary of Defense and even the President of the United States? The UCMJ actually protects the soldier in this situation as he/she has a moral and legal obligation to the Constitution and not to obey unlawful orders and the people who issue them.

    These have to be strong examples of a direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ and not the military member’s own opinion.
    My post #78 was made before I read yours.

    We concur.

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    Re: Worry rises in military over Trump's decision-making

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Those "top military leaders" are free to move on if they don't like Trump's decisions and actions.

    But guess what...the military won't miss them if they do.
    Did you have the same mindset for the military leaders that disagreed with Obama. Please feel free to share your comments proving as such.
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