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House Democrat backs down from impeachment: 'I don't see the value of kicking him out of office'

haymarket said:
Trump asked the Ukraine foreign leader for information he could use in the current campaign against his chief rival. That is against the law.
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No he didn't....lmao you just have no critical thinking skills...
 
haymarket said:
Trump asking the leader of Ukraine for information on his campaign rival.

Every campaign who has paid for information conducers it of value.

Are you really truly actually claiming that in the real world of political campaigns information on an opponent which can be used as a weapon in the campaign is not worth anything?????

That is beyond absurd and is the most ignorant belief anyone could have regarding this topic.
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If it is, you should be able to provide an example of it in the past....why can't you?
 
haymarket said:
Campaigns have long been paying for dirt and information to use on opponents. It is most definitely a thing of value.
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We all were made well aware of that with the Russian Collusion fabrication. I don’t think anyone actually questioned that. Which is what [emoji122] makes [emoji122] it [emoji122] a [emoji122] STRAWMAN! [emoji122]

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sjmay said:
No he didn't....lmao you just have no critical thinking skills...
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In the real world most people inhabit, Trump certainly did violate the law.
 
Aberration said:
We all were made well aware of that with the Russian Collusion fabrication. I don’t think anyone actually questioned that. Which is what [emoji122] makes [emoji122] it [emoji122] a [emoji122] STRAWMAN! [emoji122]

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A straw man is something which does not really exist except as a dummy fabrication. Trump asked for dirt on his rival and broke the law.
 
sjmay said:
If it is, you should be able to provide an example of it in the past....why can't you?
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I gave you the most current and relevant example of Trump asking for information from a foreign source to use on his rival in the election.

this article provides many examples

Opposition research - Wikipedia

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and this

An Introduction To The Dark Arts Of Opposition Research | FiveThirtyEight

Examples you have aplenty. Ad if that was even necessary. :roll:

Asking me to prove the grass is green is a bit absurd. But there you have it.
 
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haymarket said:
Trump wanted the information to use it in the CURRENT ELECTION to aid his own campaign. He broke the law.
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No. Not according to any witness during the Schiff public testimony of 'ambassadors' 2 weeks ago. The witnesses all said Trump was interested in investigating before the 2016 election. Your dem talking point is a lie.
 
haymarket said:
This is NOT hypothetical. It is real. Trump asked the leader of Ukraine for assistance on his rival which he could then weaponize in his election campaign. That is a crime.
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Your post is a dem talking point and, according to all public testimony of 2 weeks ago, is a lie.
 
cabse5 said:
No. Not according to any witness during the Schiff public testimony of 'ambassadors' 2 weeks ago. The witnesses all said Trump was interested in investigating before the 2016 election. Your dem talking point is a lie.
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To use in the current election.
 
cabse5 said:
Your post is a dem talking point and, according to all public testimony of 2 weeks ago, is a lie.
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You provide only extremist delusion - not verifiable evidence.
 
haymarket said:
Already did that in depth and at length, Your own refusal to accept reality is the issue.
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And you're inability to actually be truthful as well as practice due diligence, your current issue with reality.

Then again you already knew, and have willingly accepted it apparently.
 
Oborosen said:
And you're inability to actually be truthful as well as practice due diligence, your current issue with reality.

Then again you already knew, and have willingly accepted it apparently.
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Your response to my post is irrational and makes no sense since you were given the specifics of the Trump crime a long time ago. It is simply you playing ostrich games of denial of reality.
 
haymarket said:
Your response to my post is irrational and makes no sense since you were given the specifics of the Trump crime a long time ago. It is simply you playing ostrich games of denial of reality.
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I've noticed the Trump base is currently fascinated with playing ostrich games. That, and a lot of outright lying. I suspect it's no coincidence we're also seeing reputable witness after reputable witness say Trump was involved in a Quid Pro Quo for an attack on Biden.
 
haymarket said:
To use in the current election.
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What proof do you have that the investigation into Biden and son was to be used for the 2020 election? You are aware the Trump DOJ is investigating the investigation into the, alleged, collusion between the Trump campaign and, allegedly, Russians to interfere in the 2016 election? That, in itself, is proof the investigation request is about the 2016 election and Biden just happens to be running for president in 2020. Not to mention all public witnesses of 'ambassadors' from Schiff's committee from 2 weeks ago swore the investigations of Biden and son were for the 2016 election.

BTW, think how smart that would be: You are in jeopardy of being investigated? Run for president while the investigation is occurring and, poof, the investigation against you goes away because of impropriety and whatever stupid legal precedent that will be created from this impeachment proceeding.
 
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JustHanging said:
I've noticed the Trump base is currently fascinated with playing ostrich games. That, and a lot of outright lying. I suspect it's no coincidence we're also seeing reputable witness after reputable witness say Trump was involved in a Quid Pro Quo for an attack on Biden.
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Rod Serling should narrate their posts.
 
cabse5 said:
What proof do you have that the investigation into Biden and son was to be used for the 2020 election?
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Are you unaware that we are currently in the 2020 election and this is what concerns Trump? More ostrich like rejection of reality is the hallmark of your posts.
 
cabse5 said:
What proof do you have that the investigation into Biden and son was to be used for the 2020 election? You are aware the Trump DOJ is investigating the investigation into the, alleged, collusion between the Trump campaign and, allegedly, Russians to interfere in the 2016 election? That, in itself, is proof the investigation request is about the 2016 election and Biden just happens to be running for president in 2020. Not to mention all public witnesses of 'ambassadors' from Schiff's committee from 2 weeks ago swore the investigations of Biden and son were for the 2016 election.

BTW, think how smart that would be: You are in jeopardy of being investigated? Run for president while the investigation is occurring and, poof, the investigation against you goes away because of impropriety and whatever stupid legal precedent that will be created from this impeachment proceeding.
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They didn't hesitate to investigate candidate Donald Trump in 2016 and they investigated candidate for 2020 Trump now. By their rules any investigation of Trump should now be dropped because he is a candidate for 2020.
 
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haymarket said:
Are you unaware that we are currently in the 2020 election and this is what concerns Trump? More ostrich like rejection of reality is the hallmark of your posts.
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Dude. Not 2020...2016.:roll:
 
SLC said:
They didn't hesitate to investigate candidate Donald Trump in 2016 and they investigated candidate for 2020 Trump now. By their rules any investigation of Trump should now be dropped because he is a candidate for 2020.
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That Trump wanted Biden (and son) investigated for the 2020 election is a dem talking point and is a lie.
 
cabse5 said:
Dude. Not 2020...2016.:roll:
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You repeating lies and fantasies is NOT debate.

Trump only cares about what he can do right now to benefit himself in this election. If digging up crap from the 2016 election benefits him - that is what he wants to do. But I have explained this to you over and over and over and you keep playing dumb intentionally. Its pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
cabse5 said:
That Trump wanted Biden (and son) investigated for the 2020 election is a dem talking point and is a lie.
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The lie is your own as Trump is trying to get dirt on Biden to benefit himself in this current election. That has been explained to you over and over again but you dwell in an intentional state of denial.

It's disgusting.
 
haymarket said:
Your response to my post is irrational and makes no sense since you were given the specifics of the Trump crime a long time ago. It is simply you playing ostrich games of denial of reality.
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(Looks back up the thread)

Srange, all I see are you fleeing from having to actually answer a rather simple question.

Lets try this again. What did Trump do that requires him to be impeached?
This should be easy for you to answer, or are you just going to shy away and claim that you've already done so.. which looking back up the thread. Anyone can tell that you're just lying in that regard.

So what is this "act" that has lead to proving his impeachment necessary?
 
JustHanging said:
I've noticed the Trump base is currently fascinated with playing ostrich games. That, and a lot of outright lying. I suspect it's no coincidence we're also seeing reputable witness after reputable witness say Trump was involved in a Quid Pro Quo for an attack on Biden.
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You mean people who say they "assumed as such" with no actual proof.. and you're both claiming that Trump's base is playing ostrich.

However, maybe you can succeed where haymarket has failed so many times at this point.

What did Trump do exactly that has validated this impeachment?
 
haymarket said:
The lie is your own as Trump is trying to get dirt on Biden to benefit himself in this current election. That has been explained to you over and over again but you dwell in an intentional state of denial.

It's disgusting.
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It's nice to be like the witnesses who "guessed", "figured", "assumed", "presumed", "conjectured"

That alleviates one from submitting actual evidence.
 
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