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Trump again lashes out at Yovanovitch

TomFitz said:
I guess you’re trying to tie all the pathetic half truths and excuses all up into one tidy false narrative. Must be a security blanket!

“Biden’s admitted blackmail”, which was public, open, with the approval of the President and the Secretary of State and the EU, with staff fully read into what was going on....

As opposed to a half assed escapade run by a television gadfly, using an Ambassadonor and two Russian bag men, and two cabinet secretaries (without the knowldedge or briefing of their staffs).


And, one more thing.

Biden’s “blackmail” had a legitimate foreign policy goal.

Whereas the TRump effort would have settled for a public announcement of an investigation, as long as three word could be heard clearly on the video.
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Biden's blackmail had a legitimate goal for sure. To protect his addict pawn son.
 
ocean515 said:
Biden's blackmail had a legitimate goal for sure. To protect his addict pawn son.
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And....more unsubstantiated nonsense from ocean515.

And you mocked HuffPo.

:2funny:


EDIT: I just did a quick google, and what do you know, Storm Front agrees with you.
 
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JustHanging said:
And....more unsubstantiated nonsense from ocean515.

And you mocked HuffPo.

:2funny:


EDIT: I just did a quick google, and what do you know, Storm Front agrees with you.
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Well, you wanted to know about sources, didn't you!
 
JMR said:
Kristina Kvien was a name holding a spot. If she were up to the job, Taylor would never have been brought in, after 29 days.

As far as the "investigation" is going...they got caught! That's why you're busy posting.

I understand that your only alternative is to try to smear the reputations of all involved other than your beloved Trump and his snake attorney, but it's not really a good look.
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Why do people do this? ??


I will say it again... please indicate a post where I have actually smeared Yovanavich? Another poster accused me of that. I HAVE never.

I have asked a very simple question...

In the Public Transcript. Zelensky OPENLY criticizes Yovanavich. I have NOT criticized her, I Just took his statements. Asked the question that if the PRESIDENT of the country you are supposed to be an ambassador to, does not like you, are you really surprised you are getting reassigned? She somehow did NOT sit on favor of Zelensky to which he openly criticized her BOSS the POTUS. Thats a VERY Easy firing...


I have NO alternatives, I am stating only facts I have NOT inserted any PERSONAL opinion or smear.....period....
 
Exactice said:
Why do people do this? ??


I will say it again... please indicate a post where I have actually smeared Yovanavich? Another poster accused me of that. I HAVE never.

I have asked a very simple question...

In the Public Transcript. Zelensky OPENLY criticizes Yovanavich. I have NOT criticized her, I Just took his statements. Asked the question that if the PRESIDENT of the country you are supposed to be an ambassador to, does not like you, are you really surprised you are getting reassigned? She somehow did NOT sit on favor of Zelensky to which he openly criticized her BOSS the POTUS. Thats a VERY Easy firing...


I have NO alternatives, I am stating only facts I have NOT inserted any PERSONAL opinion or smear.....period....
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I don't see the uproar over her firing particularly where Zelensky himself said she was bad news. She also is reported to have been openly critical of people at Fox News. I highly doubt she supported Trump's policies and ideas. Why in the world was she even brought to Schiff's chambers? he wasn't there when the call was made. Schiff looks like someone who could have been a guard in Germany shuffling people off to the "showers".
 
Exactice said:
Why do people do this? ??


I will say it again... please indicate a post where I have actually smeared Yovanavich? Another poster accused me of that. I HAVE never.

I have asked a very simple question...

In the Public Transcript. Zelensky OPENLY criticizes Yovanavich. I have NOT criticized her, I Just took his statements. Asked the question that if the PRESIDENT of the country you are supposed to be an ambassador to, does not like you, are you really surprised you are getting reassigned? She somehow did NOT sit on favor of Zelensky to which he openly criticized her BOSS the POTUS. Thats a VERY Easy firing...


I have NO alternatives, I am stating only facts I have NOT inserted any PERSONAL opinion or smear.....period....
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You took Zelinsky's statement as his own opinion? You think Zelinsky on his own was critical of the US Ambassador? With all the Three Amigos running around Ukraine? With Trump claiming she was bad news?

IMO, supporting Trump's smears of her is pretty much accepting smears as business as usual.
 
JMR said:
You took Zelinsky's statement as his own opinion? You think Zelinsky on his own was critical of the US Ambassador? With all the Three Amigos running around Ukraine? With Trump claiming she was bad news?

IMO, supporting Trump's smears of her is pretty much accepting smears as business as usual.
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YES I take a PRESIDENT of a Country at his word why would YOU NOT. So are you trying to imply NOW, that there was a secret undertaking to have Yovanavich fired REALLY???


Secondly AT what benefit did Zelensky have to make ALL those additional statements about Yovanavich? WHAT benefit? He could have just ignored it. He could have just agreed. BUT he was specific and detailed MUCH further than Trumps statement about Yovanavich.


What "business" as usual did he have. She is the ambassador, if SHE was on Zelensky's benefit he would try to keep here. She is the Ambo for goodness sake...
 
Um, the reality is that Sondland DESTROYED the Democrats with that line. I imagine that people on CNN and MSNBS were weeping and gnashing their teeth when they heard him say that It was like someone shooting a hole through their hot air balloon. It was Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie (the leftists intent on destroying Trump) for the umpteenth time. How many times and in how many ways can the Democrats make fools of themselves?

PS. There will be NO impeachment. Mark my words. Trump and his supporters want an impeachment but there is not a chance in hell they will let Schiff to get within a mile of the witness stand.
 
JMR said:
You took Zelinsky's statement as his own opinion? You think Zelinsky on his own was critical of the US Ambassador? With all the Three Amigos running around Ukraine? With Trump claiming she was bad news?

IMO, supporting Trump's smears of her is pretty much accepting smears as business as usual.
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Tell me it aint true you got that Zelinsky was afraid of Trump from MSNBC or CNN?
 
Exactice said:
YES I take a PRESIDENT of a Country at his word why would YOU NOT. So are you trying to imply NOW, that there was a secret undertaking to have Yovanavich fired REALLY???


Secondly AT what benefit did Zelensky have to make ALL those additional statements about Yovanavich? WHAT benefit? He could have just ignored it. He could have just agreed. BUT he was specific and detailed MUCH further than Trumps statement about Yovanavich.


What "business" as usual did he have. She is the ambassador, if SHE was on Zelensky's benefit he would try to keep here. She is the Ambo for goodness sake...
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There was quite an undertaking to get Yovanavich fired by Ukrainian criminals and friends of Guiliani (research Dmitri Firtash) interested in taking over a Ukrainian gas company and she was in their way.
Zelinsky has been well educated that the way to get along with Trump is to kiss his ass.
 
Paradoxical said:
"I want NOTHING!" is extortion now?
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Saying you did not do it after the cat was let out of the bag is not the same as not doing something......
 
Paradoxical said:
Tell me it aint true you got that Zelinsky was afraid of Trump from MSNBC or CNN?
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No, I got that from listening to the hearings and reading the NYT, still the paper of record. If you are interested in the other national papers of record you can try the Wall Street Journal, The L.A. Times, or the Washington Post. All do a good job of informing the public.

Zelinsky was between a rock and a hard place. He needed the military aid and he was dealing with an unethical crazy man to get it.
 
JMR said:
No, I got that from listening to the hearings and reading the NYT, still the paper of record. If you are interested in the other national papers of record you can try the Wall Street Journal, The L.A. Times, or the Washington Post. All do a good job of informing the public.

Zelinsky was between a rock and a hard place. He needed the military aid and he was dealing with an unethical crazy man to get it.
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Can you show me any evidence of this? I don't take opinions or feelings or belies. I will wait right here.
 
Rexedgar said:
"This ambassador that, you know, everybody says is so wonderful, she wouldn't hang my picture in the embassy,” Trump said in a phone interview on “Fox & Friends," without offering any evidence of his claim. “She is in charge of the embassy. She wouldn't hang it. It took like a year and a half, two years to get the picture up.”
Trump again lashes out at Yovanovitch - POLITICO
Finally getting to the nuts and bolts of the case.......
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She sought to undermine Trump in Ukraine. Trump is right to criticize the leftist activist former Obama official.
 
Paradoxical said:
Well lookey here what the very first line says

"Despite his denials, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was feeling pressure"

Try better than PBS of all places. Remember, opinions and anonymous sources don't hold and sway
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PBS NewsHour is rated one of the least biased, and most highly factual news sources by Media Bias. What would you find a better source? Where do YOU get your information? Did you bother to read past the first sentence?



I'm really not interested in spending any more time providing you with evidence of reality, when obviously you have an inside track on some alternate narrative. Have fun!
 
JMR said:
PBS NewsHour is rated one of the least biased, and most highly factual news sources by Media Bias. What would you find a better source? Where do YOU get your information? Did you bother to read past the first sentence?



I'm really not interested in spending any more time providing you with evidence of reality, when obviously you have an inside track on some alternate narrative. Have fun!
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That is because you have none (evidence), or you would submit it in a nanosecond. This is what I have grown to expect for far leftists.

Your are suggesting that the president of Ukraine is LYING because he is afraid of Trump. Here he won the presidency against huge odds and told Trump it was because he followed his model and he is a liar!!?? LOL

You guys are like ship wrecked sailors grasping at straws in the ocean. You continually make crap up and it sticks with the lemmings but not with rational logical thinkers.
 
Paradoxical said:
That is because you have none (evidence), or you would submit it in a nanosecond. This is what I have grown to expect for far leftists.

Your are suggesting that the president of Ukraine is LYING because he is afraid of Trump. Here he won the presidency against huge odds and told Trump it was because he followed his model and he is a liar!!?? LOL

You guys are like ship wrecked sailors grasping at straws in the ocean. You continually make crap up and it sticks with the lemmings but not with rational logical thinkers.
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You have been given 6 solid weeks of hearings, reporting and posts. You choose to believe what you want to believe. I do not expect that from all righties, but you certainly meet that standard.

I am suggesting Zelensky said whatever he thought prudent in a) eventually getting the aid, and b) trying to not interfere with American politics.

Trump also thinks he is a very stable genius....and you see yourself as a logical thinker. ROFL.

As I said before, there is really no reason to spend any more time with you. Go quote someone else...see how it works out.
 
JMR said:
You have been given 6 solid weeks of hearings, reporting and posts. You choose to believe what you want to believe. I do not expect that from all righties, but you certainly meet that standard.

I am suggesting Zelensky said whatever he thought prudent in a) eventually getting the aid, and b) trying to not interfere with American politics.

Trump also thinks he is a very stable genius....and you see yourself as a logical thinker. ROFL.

As I said before, there is really no reason to spend any more time with you. Go quote someone else...see how it works out.
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This usually happens when a leftist meets a conservative she cannot intelligently argue with. No big loss. This happens a lot. Like Schiff, they only want to parade out witnesses that say what they want them to.
 
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