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Fiona Hill Testifies ‘Fictions’ on Ukraine Pushed by Trump Help Russia

LOL.......... Comey said that also.

Wiped hard drives.

Smashed cell phones.

Sim cards missing

But he couldn't see any reasonable prosecutor charging her.

I wish you could understand the actual facts you think you're spewing but when you can "self delude" things like this:"wah wah she's a liberal so I don't have to believe anything she says" I know its a waste of time. Even your conservative masters aren't calling her a "librul".

The same liberal "air head" that had said that giving weapons to the Ukraine was a bad idea.

She is a scorned women. :lamo The president knew the embedded liberal bureaucrats in the State dept. were all partisan hacks so he flew right over their pompous & narcissistic heads.
 
Who gets to decide whos nattative is more fictional hill's or trump's, the media?

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well you could if you actually tried to think for yourself. Concerning the "latest conservative lie", all our intelligence agencies said Russia interfered in our election. That is just an established fact. Now 3 years later trump needs a narrative to explain away his actions magic presto he thinks it was Ukraine. I guess he can do that because he's clearly stated he believes Putin so he's free to pick any country he wants. the good news is that trump finally acknowledges someone medddled. baby steps.

oh and trouble, the reason you "ask questions" is because you are desperately trying to ignore the truth. See how I had to put the simple facts together for you. And don't forget how they're trying to smear Lt Col Vindman. Your cult leaders have no shame. None.
 
[h=1]Fiona Hill Testifies ‘Fictions’ on Ukraine Pushed by Trump Help Russia[/h]
WASHINGTON — The White House’s former top Europe and Russia expert sharply denounced what she called a “fictional narrative” embraced by President Trump and his Republican allies that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 elections, testifying that the claim at the center of the impeachment inquiry was a fabrication by Moscow that had harmed the United States.
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Dr. Hill’s account of how Mr. Trump’s team carried out what she called a “domestic political errand” that diverged from his own administration’s foreign policy amounted to sharp — albeit indirect — criticism of the president she served, and it brought home the grave national security consequences of the effort.

“These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes,” said Dr. Hill, the British-born daughter of a coal miner who became a United States citizen and co-wrote a length book analyzing the psyche of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.



History will judge Republicans poorly, as they foster a propaganda narrative created by Putin's intelligence services.

We must ask ourselves why does Trump parrot Putin's propaganda? If he isn't a puppet of Russia, he does a very good imitation of someone who is. As Nancy Pelosi said, 'with Trump, all roads lead to Russia.'

Had the Tivo set yesterday so I was able to watch Hill's testimony in its entirety. First off, she is one very smart and articulate lady. Second, I think her testimony will only be slightly less critical than Sondland's was, and very impactful. She was impressive.

My biggest takeaway from all of this is how corrupt Giuliani is, and how corrupt Trump, Pompeo and Mulvaney are too.

I also learned a lot about Ukraine listening to her.
 
She's still hung up on that "Russian election interference" nonsense, so it's not surprising that she'll blame the Russians for the Ukraine interference. Being that she's a Soros ally and being that Soros is hip-deep in Ukrainian corruption, it's to her...and his...benefit to push a false narrative. It's amusing, though, that she does so by insisting that the documented Democrat/Ukrainian interference is "a fictional narrative".

But that's okay. The Ukrainians are beginning to engage in the investigations that Trump has asked of them...Burisma, etc. The undeniable truth will be revealed.

A Soros ally! Is that what The Conservative Treehouse is pimping today in an attempt to discredit a brilliant woman who made Trump and his circle of sycophants look even more corrupt than we imagined with her testimony?

I'll bet Fiona Hill is actually the person who killed Seth Rich!
 
That brings us to Dr Hill, whom i found to be devoute in her testimony but also rather partisan despite her repeated denials of being so, was trying to advance the idea that the Republicans including Trump do not believethere was any Russian meddling and that they were trying to somehow use Ukraine as a proxy of sorts for placing the blame.

The first thing you need to acknowledge is you are terrible judge of character. All conservatives are so don't feel bad. Anyhoo, you have an emotional need to find an excuse to not believe Hill so magic presto, she's partisan. Instead of thinking "mmmm, I guess that's possible" whenever trump and republicans lie about the Ukraine, ask yourself "what evidence is there its true?" You could even ask yourself "why did this just come out now?" That's kind of advanced so just focus on "what evidence is there?". And don't forget, trump still doesn't believe Russia meddled.
 
well you could if you actually tried to think for yourself. Concerning the "latest conservative lie", all our intelligence agencies said Russia interfered in our election. That is just an established fact. Now 3 years later trump needs a narrative to explain away his actions magic presto he thinks it was Ukraine. I guess he can do that because he's clearly stated he believes Putin so he's free to pick any country he wants. the good news is that trump finally acknowledges someone medddled. baby steps.

oh and trouble, the reason you "ask questions" is because you are desperately trying to ignore the truth. See how I had to put the simple facts together for you. And don't forget how they're trying to smear Lt Col Vindman. Your cult leaders have no shame. None.
You're one to talk about thinking for yourself. You should try taking your own advice instead of regurgitating the democratic media lie that anyone does not accept that the Russians attempted to interfere in our elections.

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The first thing you need to acknowledge is you are terrible judge of character. All conservatives are so don't feel bad. Anyhoo, you have an emotional need to find an excuse to not believe Hill so magic presto, she's partisan. Instead of thinking "mmmm, I guess that's possible" whenever trump and republicans lie about the Ukraine, ask yourself "what evidence is there its true?" You could even ask yourself "why did this just come out now?" That's kind of advanced so just focus on "what evidence is there?". And don't forget, trump still doesn't believe Russia meddled.
The world according to Vern is not based in reality which makes your smug condescending posts so ridiculous and pathetic that its funny.

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Had the Tivo set yesterday so I was able to watch Hill's testimony in its entirety. First off, she is one very smart and articulate lady. Second, I think her testimony will only be slightly less critical than Sondland's was, and very impactful. She was impressive.

My biggest takeaway from all of this is how corrupt Giuliani is, and how corrupt Trump, Pompeo and Mulvaney are too.

I also learned a lot about Ukraine listening to her.

It won't matter, the entire GOP is the center of corruption and won't do anything.
A good read this morning:
Opinion | Trump and His Corrupt Old Party - The New York Times
 
It won't matter, the entire GOP is the center of corruption and won't do anything.
A good read this morning:
Opinion | Trump and His Corrupt Old Party - The New York Times

Interesting read, thanks. I'm not a big fan of Krugman but he nailed it there.

I've been saying this for a while now:

In a different era, when both parties believed in the Constitution, Trump’s abuse of his position for personal gain would have led to his removal from office long ago.

He is spot on.

By the way, this was news to me. Not surprising, but news anyway:

Earlier I mentioned David Brat, who ousted Eric Cantor. As it happens, Brat himself was defeated in last year’s Democratic landslide. So what’s he doing now? He’s dean of the business school at Jerry Falwell Jr.’s Liberty University.
 
Interesting read, thanks. I'm not a big fan of Krugman but he nailed it there.

I've been saying this for a while now:

In a different era, when both parties believed in the Constitution, Trump’s abuse of his position for personal gain would have led to his removal from office long ago.

He is spot on.

By the way, this was news to me. Not surprising, but news anyway:

Earlier I mentioned David Brat, who ousted Eric Cantor. As it happens, Brat himself was defeated in last year’s Democratic landslide. So what’s he doing now? He’s dean of the business school at Jerry Falwell Jr.’s Liberty University.

Sure, Krugman is right on, as long as he hates Trump. You're boring.
 
Sure, Krugman is right on, as long as he hates Trump. You're boring.

Wow. That's a great post American! Such insightfulness. And it added so much to the discussion.

If I'm so boring, why do you read my posts? Can't quit me? No Hillary Clinton news to cry about today?
 
Don't you just know that our traditional allies are sharing as little intelligence with us as possible. There is no way they want their information passed on to our and their enemies.

It's all because a 70 year old man is insecure and wants power and money.
 
[h=1]Fiona Hill Testifies ‘Fictions’ on Ukraine Pushed by Trump Help Russia[/h]
WASHINGTON — The White House’s former top Europe and Russia expert sharply denounced what she called a “fictional narrative” embraced by President Trump and his Republican allies that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 elections, testifying that the claim at the center of the impeachment inquiry was a fabrication by Moscow that had harmed the United States.
...
Dr. Hill’s account of how Mr. Trump’s team carried out what she called a “domestic political errand” that diverged from his own administration’s foreign policy amounted to sharp — albeit indirect — criticism of the president she served, and it brought home the grave national security consequences of the effort.

“These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes,” said Dr. Hill, the British-born daughter of a coal miner who became a United States citizen and co-wrote a length book analyzing the psyche of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.



History will judge Republicans poorly, as they foster a propaganda narrative created by Putin's intelligence services.

We must ask ourselves why does Trump parrot Putin's propaganda? If he isn't a puppet of Russia, he does a very good imitation of someone who is. As Nancy Pelosi said, 'with Trump, all roads lead to Russia.'

She also said that the Steele Dossier that helped perpetuate the divisive Russian Collusion hoax for years was a Russian disinformation campaign...

You and your fellow true believers need to understand that Russia doesn't pick sides in US politics, Russia works to create division within US politics. You and others, in pushing the Russia Collusion Hoax for many years, were helping the Russians achieve those goals.

Rule of thumb: If you have information from Russian officials that sounds bad for your opponent, you are being targeted by the Russians.
 
You're one to talk about thinking for yourself. You should try taking your own advice instead of regurgitating the democratic media lie that anyone does not accept that the Russians attempted to interfere in our elections.

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I'm guessing "what evidence is there" was a bridge too far for even you but you simply don't get to deny that trump told us he believes Putin not our own intelligence agencies. And where was this determination to get to the bottom of Ukraine meddling when aid was being voted on and trump said he was happy to send it. Oh that's right, Hill is partisan so you don't have to think about that. just a thought, I wonder if Russia is against us sending them aid?

The world according to Vern is not based in reality which makes your smug condescending posts so ridiculous and pathetic that its funny.

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You can whine about me if you want but I respond to what people post. I have to assume your whining is just another cowardly deflection from what I posted.
 
You're one to talk about thinking for yourself. You should try taking your own advice instead of regurgitating the democratic media lie that anyone does not accept that the Russians attempted to interfere in our elections.
It's a media lie that Republicans don't accept that Russia interfered in the 2016 election? Are you kidding me? Trump said so himself in Helsinki.


Then, Barr is flying around the world trying to prove that it wasn't the Russians trying to help Trump in 2016, by Ukraine trying to help Hillary.

We had Nunes parrot the same nonsense at the impeachment hearings.

On the general thread: AP FACT CHECK says this:

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and his GOP allies pressed a defense Thursday that he acted appropriately in withholding military aid to Ukraine out of concern over the country’s corruption and claimed the House impeachment hearings amounted to a rogue process.

The claims don’t match up with known facts.

A look at some of the remarks on Day 5 of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry by the House Intelligence Committee and Trump’s response:

CALIFORNIA REP. DEVIN NUNES, the top Republican on the committee: “President Trump had good reason to be wary of Ukrainian election meddling against his campaign.”

THE FACTS: That’s not credible. The theory that Ukrainians interfered in the U.S. election and that Democrats cooperated in that effort is unsubstantiated.
 
Isn't it obvious that Trump republicans vote for corruption in their local town elections? There is no way that they are honorable in those elections and then vote for corruption in the most important election.
 
Man, I try not to be surprised by right wingers reactions to anything that doesn't benefit them, but I couldn't imagine someone watching Hill's testimony and walking away with the idea that she's a liberal air head.

You will note that the people who are promoting this narrative look up to Donald Trump and Sarah Palin intellectually.

Enough said.
 
Isn't it obvious that Trump republicans vote for corruption in their local town elections? There is no way that they are honorable in those elections and then vote for corruption in the most important election.

Trump exemplifies their Evangelical Christian values. Not what they pay lip service to, but their actual values and principles.
 
It's the conclusion of OUR intelligence services.
The narrative that it was the Ukraine and not Russia was Russian propaganda. Naturally, you and Trump believe the Russians.

Again, I must have missed the evidence she presented.

Cruella deVille claimed many things, but I saw no evidence.
 
[h=1]Fiona Hill Testifies ‘Fictions’ on Ukraine Pushed by Trump Help Russia[/h]
WASHINGTON — The White House’s former top Europe and Russia expert sharply denounced what she called a “fictional narrative” embraced by President Trump and his Republican allies that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 elections, testifying that the claim at the center of the impeachment inquiry was a fabrication by Moscow that had harmed the United States.
...
Dr. Hill’s account of how Mr. Trump’s team carried out what she called a “domestic political errand” that diverged from his own administration’s foreign policy amounted to sharp — albeit indirect — criticism of the president she served, and it brought home the grave national security consequences of the effort.

“These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes,” said Dr. Hill, the British-born daughter of a coal miner who became a United States citizen and co-wrote a length book analyzing the psyche of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.



History will judge Republicans poorly, as they foster a propaganda narrative created by Putin's intelligence services.

We must ask ourselves why does Trump parrot Putin's propaganda? If he isn't a puppet of Russia, he does a very good imitation of someone who is. As Nancy Pelosi said, 'with Trump, all roads lead to Russia.'

i am not sure what fictions she is talking about.

As Russia collusion fades, Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges | TheHill

Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko’s probe was prompted by a Ukrainian parliamentarian's release of a tape recording purporting to quote a top law enforcement official as saying his agency leaked the Manafort financial records to help Clinton's campaign.

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

There was also a story that a Clinton campaign worker met with the ukrainin government officials to get
dirt on trump. in fact the ukrainian government told her that they had dirt must have been part of the
same thing.

SO i am not sure what is so fictitious about this.

fictitious means that it was made up and not real, but here we are.
it wasn't made up and the Ukrainian court even charged people with meddling.

So Hill was lying her ass off.
 
How can Hill be so certain? Did she conduct an investigation?

leftist don't need investigations. they just have to throw accusations and they are true.
 
And what, pray tell, does that have to do with Trump abandoning Crimea to Russia, battling all measures nationally and internationally to punish them for it, and encouraging Zelensky to surrender the Donbas region as well? He’s been nothing but a national security liability since his inauguration.

Uhhh, you got that mixed up...

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

That happened in 2014...lol
 
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