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AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Hamish Howl said:
If you're using unflavored, those chemicals are:

1. Nicotine.
2. acetylcholine, to bind the nicotine so it doesn't poison you if ingested or touched.
3. Vegetable oil, as a suspension liquid.

Stacked up against cigarettes, that's more or less harmless. Beats the pack and a half habit of cancer sticks I quit 6 years ago.
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Vegetable oil belongs on your french fries not in your lungs. Nicotine is terrible for your arteries and your heart. AGAIN people need to avoid tobacco and should not switch to a pacifier like vaping. My brother smoked for years and after he arrested TWICE he quit cold turkey. People should quit smoking AND vaping. Vaping is nothing more than a dangerous pacifier.
 
SLC said:
Its stupid to put unknown chemicals into your lungs. Lung tissue is way to delicate to abuse with an untested unregulated chemical. The smart move is to give up tobacco AND vaping.
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Are you aware that once a cigarettes has actually been lit that there's 60,000 different chemicals that are contained in the smoke? Are you aware that a vapor liquid that contains nicotine has very few chemicals, none of which are carcinogenic. I have always purchased my liquids from a store that only sells regulated and approved liquids. There's a correlation between those teenagers who have had problems and some died using vaping liquids that are either homemade or those liquids contained in the product 'Juul pods' which are sold in most convenience stores, and only certain flavors of that product. Has anyone noticed that it's only teenagers that have died from a mysterious lung infection presumed to have been the result of vaping flavored liquids in the product Juul? Has there been even one pathological report that identified the cause?

Vaping has been around since the early 2000's but the over the counter products such as Juul are new to the market and can easily be purchased by underage teens. The accredited vaping outlets and stores and highly monitored and nobody under 18 can purchase any liquids. Until just a few months ago, there has been no deaths reported that have been directly related to vaping. Unfortunately, the statistics of of recorded deaths due to cigarette smoking are staggering.

There are two chemicals in a product such as Juul that are dangerous, one is diacetyl. This chemical has been used as a marker of exposure to flavoring vapors in investigations evaluating lung disease in microwave popcorn manufacturing facilities. That's right, this chemical has been responsible for lung disease in workers employed in factories that manufacture microwave popcorn. Should the government ban microwave popcorn? The product Juul has been associated with "popcorn lung".

There are millions of Americans who have abandoned lifelong habits of smoking cigarettes and only because they've switched to a safer form of nicotine, vaping. In all the years that vaping has been around, there's not a single instance where vaping was identified as being the cause of death. It's only been these last few months when teenagers are buying Juul and/or using liquids that their friends make at home and sell on the street, that all the fuss of vaping has been in the headlines. I choose to vape because I know it's safe. I have discussed vaping with all of my three physicians years ago. Cardiologist, Oncologist and GP, and none of them had any objections. They know that 'vapor' is not 'smoke' as most people mistakenly believe it is. It is a water vapor, not smoke. Buying product from reliable sources is essential for safe vaping.
 
Renae said:
I never used THC or CBD Snakeoils, just a Menthol OTC blend from my local vape shop. It was called Heisenburg. I just know I started coughing up blood.
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Right and you don't know what was in that either. i know plenty of people that vape that don't have that issue.
 
ludin said:
Right and you don't know what was in that either. i know plenty of people that vape that don't have that issue.
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True I don't, it was a branded blue raspberry menthol concoction that tasted amazing, but it doesn't change the fact that I was hacking up blood
 
Renae said:
True I don't, it was a branded blue raspberry menthol concoction that tasted amazing, but it doesn't change the fact that I was hacking up blood
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without more information this can be a correlation is not causation.
you could have had something else going on and without further medical analysis
we cannot fully say what exactly caused it.

if you were a long time smoker already that could have been the main cause.
 
ludin said:
without more information this can be a correlation is not causation.
you could have had something else going on and without further medical analysis
we cannot fully say what exactly caused it.

if you were a long time smoker already that could have been the main cause.
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I had smoked years ago, I don't know if vaping was "the cause" I do know that I stopped and having coughed up blood since, so...
 
AmNat said:
The anti-vaping craze is one of the most bizarre moral panics we’ve seen in a long time.
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I think vaping substances should be regulated by the FRA because they represent a significant public health hazard . The public needs to know if the product they are using is safe to put in their lungs.
 
Renae said:
AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Has a reformed vaper, who stopped at 4 months after hacking up blood... I support this move.
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This...

I would be 100% with the AMA if they were seeking a ban on all tobacco products that are smoked, including e-cigarettes,” said Jonathan Foulds, a tobacco addiction specialist at Penn State University. “But right now, nicotine electronic cigarettes are competing with and replacing the most harmful legal product in this country.”
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As reformed tobacco smoker who has been vaping instead for over 7 years and feel 1000% better. I disagree. I assume you went back to those cancer sticks or coffin nails..
 
iguanaman said:
This...



As reformed tobacco smoker who has been vaping instead for over 7 years and feel 1000% better. I disagree. I assume you went back to those cancer sticks or coffin nails..
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Nyet
I did not.
 
Renae said:
I never used THC or CBD Snakeoils, just a Menthol OTC blend from my local vape shop. It was called Heisenburg. I just know I started coughing up blood.
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What device did you use, though? More importantly, what wattage were you vaping at and what was the pg/vg ratio? That's much more important than what juice you used. I've used vape devices and really dislike half the ones I bought. One burned my lip, another burned both my lips and the interior of my mouth and made my teeth hurt. The lower wattage devices have been fine, though. They're actually harder to find, but I've found two that I stick with. Overdoing it or using high wattage devices is probably harmful in some way, but my guess would be that the vast majority of people vaping instead of smoking are at less risk of developing lung cancer. I smoked a pack a day when I was very young and will never go back to doing that. Every morning I woke up coughing phlegm.

So according to my experiences, we could and should regulate these products.
 
How much did the tobacco industry donate to the AMA?
 
Mustachio said:
What device did you use, though? More importantly, what wattage were you vaping at and what was the pg/vg ratio? That's much more important than what juice you used. I've used vape devices and really dislike half the ones I bought. One burned my lip, another burned both my lips and the interior of my mouth and made my teeth hurt. The lower wattage devices have been fine, though. They're actually harder to find, but I've found two that I stick with. Overdoing it or using high wattage devices is probably harmful in some way, but my guess would be that the vast majority of people vaping instead of smoking are at less risk of developing lung cancer. I smoked a pack a day when I was very young and will never go back to doing that. Every morning I woke up coughing phlegm.

So according to my experiences, we could and should regulate these products.
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I don't remember it was a Vapoo? And I had it at like 80 watts it was a high watt double battery fancy schmancy loooking thing. I'll see if I can find a pic of it.
 
Idiots, if true. Just beyond stupid.

Cigarettes kill 480,000 a year. It's the burned byproducts of tobacco leaf in particular, at the volume cigarette users consume them, that cause cancer...not the nicotine.

Meanwhile, the problem with vaping seems almost entirely restricted to black market THC cartridges that were cut with vitamin E acetate. I don't think it's killed more than 40 or 50 so far.





Seriously. What's wrong with humans? No sense of perspective. No sense of how to handle risk. Just panic
 
ludin said:
the THC oils that people were smoking and dying was for 2 reasons.

1. they contained synthetic marajuana aka bathsalts.
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And to think you believe you're an authority on anything. Good ****ing God.

"Bathsalts" were synthetic chemicals with vaguely similar affects to ampthetamines. Nothing to do with marijuana and NOT SOMETHING YOU PUT IN OIL. They were sold as packets of white or off-white powder. You do not vape that.

Meanwhile, what the government calls "synthetic marijuana" for propaganda purposes are actually just random leaves sprayed with an ever-changing mix of chemicals designed to produce some sort of high, but is nothing like marijuana. It is referred to as K2. Again, nothing to do with the vaping issues.

To the extent they have any culprit, it looks like vitamin E acetate, but there are still some cases of nicotine-vape-only people suffering the same illness (though they may have lied in denying THC oil usage. :shrug: )




Seriously ludin. Just stop pretending like you know everything. You hardly know any of it.
 
Hamish Howl said:
If you're using unflavored, those chemicals are:

1. Nicotine.
2. acetylcholine, to bind the nicotine so it doesn't poison you if ingested or touched.
3. Vegetable oil, as a suspension liquid.

Stacked up against cigarettes, that's more or less harmless. Beats the pack and a half habit of cancer sticks I quit 6 years ago.
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Vegetable glycerin, not oil. Vaping any oil is not good.
 
Renae said:
I never used THC or CBD Snakeoils, just a Menthol OTC blend from my local vape shop. It was called Heisenburg. I just know I started coughing up blood.
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Renae said:
I had smoked years ago, I don't know if vaping was "the cause" I do know that I stopped and having coughed up blood since, so...
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So you have no idea what the actual cause is. If you researched this carefully, you'd quickly come across reports that they have identified vitamin E acetate as the culprit. It is only used - and seemingly only recently - in some black market THC oil cartridges. Not the ones in regulated stores.



So even though you weren't consuming the thing that actually might be the cause and even though you admit you know you don't know what the cause is, you support banning nicotine vaping:

Renae said:
AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Has a reformed vaper, who stopped at 4 months after hacking up blood... I support this move.
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You support shoving everyone who was able to get off cigarettes - things that kill 480,000 a year - out of a panicked 'we need a law' reaction. Even though not more than 50 people have died in the illegal THC vaping thing, you want all nicotine vapers thrown back to cigarettes. Because PANIC!

Just lovely.





You do realize that even if you started vaping black market THC oil cartridges all day every day, you'd still be more likely to be killed as a passenger in someone else's car on US roads, right?

Shall we ban cars?
 
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Renae said:
I don't remember it was a Vapoo? And I had it at like 80 watts it was a high watt double battery fancy schmancy loooking thing. I'll see if I can find a pic of it.
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80 watts? I go no higher than 20 even though my device goes up to 100 watts. 80 would have me hacking up a lung and I have been vaping for a decade.
 
Renae said:
AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Has a reformed vaper, who stopped at 4 months after hacking up blood... I support this move.
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Ah, the cigarette lobby, as powerful now as in 1965.

Then:

The Quiet Victory of the Cigarette Lobby: How It Found the Best Filter Yet—Congress - The Atlantic

Now:

Big Tobacco is funding the anti-smoking lobby – but leaked documents reveal the real reason why

To quote:

“On e-cigarettes and other reduced risk products, we have a great story to tell; there are divisions within the anti-tobacco movement” that can be exploited.
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Mr Person said:
So you have no idea what the actual cause is. If you researched this carefully, you'd quickly come across reports that they have identified vitamin E acetate as the culprit. It is only used - and seemingly only recently - in some black market THC oil cartridges. Not the ones in regulated stores.



So even though you weren't consuming the thing that actually might be the cause and even though you admit you know you don't know what the cause is, you support banning nicotine vaping:



You support shoving everyone who was able to get off cigarettes - things that kill 480,000 a year - out of a panicked 'we need a law' reaction. Even though not more than 50 people have died in the illegal THC vaping thing, you want all nicotine vapers thrown back to cigarettes. Because PANIC!

Just lovely.





You do realize that even if you started vaping black market THC oil cartridges all day every day, you'd still be more likely to be killed as a passenger in someone else's car on US roads, right?

Shall we ban cars?
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The only things the lungs are designed to have in them is clean air.
 
SLC said:
The only things the lungs are designed to have in them is clean air.
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OK, so vaping isn't optimal. No one disputes that. The OP is about AMA calling for making selling or using vaping products a crime. Lots of us who do use vaping products as an alternative to tobacco, that is not banned, would prefer we have a choice we can make about what goes into our lungs or mouths, for those of us who used smokeless tobacco.
 
wolfsgirl said:
Vegetable glycerin, not oil. Vaping any oil is not good.
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Every liquid I've used is a mix of VG, and PG, propylene glycol, plus the nicotine and flavoring. :peace
 
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