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Pelosi suggests whistleblower complaint prompted release of Ukraine aid

haymarket said:
Trump violated federal law when he asked a foreign leader to do a favor for him and provide information on his main election rival. There is no dispute about that and it is a violation of the law.
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Care to cite what law he violated?

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trouble13 said:
Care to cite what law he violated?

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It is a good thing I do not have to pay a dollar for every time I have provided this law as I then could not make my November car payment.

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
 
trixare4kids said:
Pelosi suggests whistleblower complaint prompted release of Ukraine aid



Mind you, Pelosi never explains that connection, and only insists that there is one.

And yet, on October 1, “It wasn’t explained to me," Zelensky said "about the withholding of the support from July until Sept. 11. Trump has cited corruption in Ukraine as one of the reasons the U.S. held back the funds."

Source for Zelensky quotes cited above and below:
Ukraine president: Nobody explained to me why US military aid was delayed | Fox News

Who you going to believe? Pelosi, who after day two of the impeachment inquiry farce calls the POTUS an imposer who bribed newly elected president of Ukraine? Or do we side with our president and President Zelensky who "pushed back against allegations that Trump used military aid as leverage during the leaders' July 25 call?"

Or will you believe the Senate Republicans who "said that happened in part because Sen. Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, threatened to block $5 billion in Pentagon spending for 2020 if the aid wasn’t given to Ukraine?" Source: Timeline: The curious release of military aid to Ukraine

Where is Pelosi's proof for what she alleged? She said he did? That's it???

Remember this is the same Nancy Pelosi, who on Thursday accused the president of the CRIME bribery but won't admit that the house will get to the point of taking an impeachment vote.

I don't know about you but if I were coup coup Pelosi and had proof

1) The aid was released because the WH got wind of the WB's complaint

and

2) The president committed the crime of bribery

Why delay in taking the impeachment vote?
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what you don't understand is that leftist don't need facts and evidence.

all they need to do is point accusations and claim it is a witch and that is all they need.
they then deem that the other person must then prove they are not a witch.

that is simply how dishonest they are.
 
trixare4kids said:
Time will tell, right?

Democratic Representative Jeff Van Drew said that he and other Democrats are growing weary of all this. He said this morning while on Maria Bartiromo, "You always have to watch for executive power getting too great on either side of the aisle."

Sounds like he is one of the few House Democrats who doesn't have their heads up their ass.
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with 0 evidence and nothing that shows any quid pro quo pelosi is up a creek without a paddle.
she doesn't have bi-partisan support for this hearing at all.

unfortuantly for her she fell into the **** trap from schiff.
now she is covered in it and has no way out.
 
Cardinal said:
If you rob a bank and are caught, and then return the money, be prepared to get laughed at when you say you were going to return the money anyway.
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cool what money was stolen and when was it stolen?
 
trouble13 said:
I think what they will do is playing this show out at full volume. Then after their grand finale they will self proclaim themselves victorious and the media will dutifully agree with that conclusion. Then pelosi will announce that they fullfilled their ethical responsibility to expose his corruption but since the senate is in cahoots with him she wont be calling a vote and leave it up to the voters to remove him next november. Again the media will dutifully applaud like trained seals.

The hope being that taking the onus off the Democrats and onto the voters will appease the public while simultaneously never allowing the gop to counter the narrative they created.

Thats my best guess how it plays out. How the public will react os anybodys guess

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yeah that sounds like a move that pelosi would do.
however the funny thing is that backfires big time if no charges are brought against the president.

with no charges being brought against the president he is clear to put out his message that it was a political hit
job which we all know that it was.

there is no out for pelosi. she is buried in schiff's ****.
 
TomFitz said:
Just out of curiosity, who is feeding you guys this talking point?
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No one is, and Its hard to believe there are people that think this is a legitimate impeachment process. It must be the compelling testimony ? Lol !

The Democrats couldn't have made it more obvious that this has been a partisan stunt since the beginning


First, Pelosi changes the House rules and does away with the rule stating that a minority member must be present at all oversight committee witness depositions.

House Rules Changes Affecting Committee Procedure in the 116th Congress (2019-2020)
House Rules Changes Affecting Committee Procedure in the 116th Congress (2019-2020) - EveryCRSReport.com

This allows the Democrats to hold private depositions without informing or including the minority, which they did over the two week break. Democrats also have the authority to withhold transcripts from the minority.

Some Democrats Are Skipping Their Two-Week Vacation To Keep Working On Impeachment
Some Democrats Staying In Washington To Keep Working On Impeachment


Then the House passes a resolution formalizing impeachment rules including rules on public hearing.

House Democrats adopt rules for public impeachment proceedings

The resolution directs FIVE House Committees to continue impeachment investigations, it gives Adam Schiff the authority to veto any Republican witness and it gives him the authority to withhold or release transcripts of testimony and depositions of private hearings

Republicans have the power to subpoena witnesses for testimony or documents, but only if Schiff allows it. They have to get that low life's permission first....Lol !


Then there's the fact the Democrats started this without a formal vote.They did that for a reason. The moment they pass a formal impeachment vote, the Republicans get enforceable rights.

House Rules Changes Affecting Committee Procedure in the 116th Congress (2019-2020) - EveryCRSReport.com


There's also the fact that everyone of the witness being called to publicly testify has already given sworn testimony o r a sworn deposition in private hearings. The Democrats know exactly what they're going to say.

The public hearings are of-course a political stunt, a sham.

Then finally there's the witnesses, ( more accurately the lack of witnesses.) The Democrats are calling witnesses who have no first hand information who are given hearsay testimony or just totally irrelevant testimony.

This is supposed to be an impeachment inquiry, why would they call someone like Taylor or Yavonavich to testify ?
Because this has never been about impeaching Trump.

With the new rules and a lack of a formal vote, the Democrats can and will continue to abuse their office and the House's powerful investigative rescouces to conduct anti-Trump oppo-research and run a smear campaign on Trump and it's being done on the tax payers dime.

They have 5 Committee's trying to dig up dirt on Donald Trump now.That's a lot of oppo-research for 2020.

Those transcripts that Schiff has the authority to withhold will eventually be released, but not before he selectively leaks portions of those transcripts to his MSM contacts.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Pelosi suggests whistleblower complaint prompted release of Ukraine aid



Mind you, Pelosi never explains that connection, and only insists that there is one.

And yet, on October 1, “It wasn’t explained to me," Zelensky said "about the withholding of the support from July until Sept. 11. Trump has cited corruption in Ukraine as one of the reasons the U.S. held back the funds."

Source for Zelensky quotes cited above and below:
Ukraine president: Nobody explained to me why US military aid was delayed | Fox News

Who you going to believe? Pelosi, who after day two of the impeachment inquiry farce calls the POTUS an imposer who bribed newly elected president of Ukraine? Or do we side with our president and President Zelensky who "pushed back against allegations that Trump used military aid as leverage during the leaders' July 25 call?"

Or will you believe the Senate Republicans who "said that happened in part because Sen. Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, threatened to block $5 billion in Pentagon spending for 2020 if the aid wasn’t given to Ukraine?" Source: Timeline: The curious release of military aid to Ukraine

Where is Pelosi's proof for what she alleged? She said he did? That's it???

Remember this is the same Nancy Pelosi, who on Thursday accused the president of the CRIME bribery but won't admit that the house will get to the point of taking an impeachment vote.

I don't know about you but if I were coup coup Pelosi and had proof

1) The aid was released because the WH got wind of the WB's complaint

and

2) The president committed the crime of bribery

Why delay in taking the impeachment vote?
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If you believe the man just fined two million dollars for stealing from his own charity and who adopts Vladimir Putin as a leadership model is a crusader against corruption then, by all means, believe him.
 
ludin said:
yeah that sounds like a move that pelosi would do.
however the funny thing is that backfires big time if no charges are brought against the president.

with no charges being brought against the president he is clear to put out his message that it was a political hit
job which we all know that it was.

there is no out for pelosi. she is buried in schiff's ****.
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The only out for them is to making a convincing enough argument to sway public opinion to their side. Its gonna be interesting to see next November which side prevails. Dont underestimate the amount of utter disdain there is for Trump and the power of persuassion it has with the casual voters.

What i think the democrats are overestimating is their credability with the public. The majority of People even those that are for impeachment understand these charges are exagerated for partisan purposes. Some dont care because they want Trump out of the way of their agenda and others are angry. It remains to be seen which side will have the majority and that number can easily shift between now and novemember. Once these reports are released and the democrats name a nominee so theres a static target for trump to campaign against

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Fenton said:
This allows the Democrats to hold private depositions without informing or including the minority, which they did over the two week break. Democrats also have the authority to withhold transcripts from the minority.
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So those sessions of the Committee in the basement were closed to Republicans on the Committee and they had no access to the proceedings?
 
haymarket said:
So those sessions of the Committee in the basement were closed to Republicans on the Committee and they had no access to the proceedings?
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Some Democrats Are Skipping Their Two-Week Vacation To Keep Working On Impeachment

Some Democrats Staying In Washington To Keep Working On Impeachment

Democrats stayed in Washington over the two week recess and took full advantage of Pelosi's rule change that did away with the rule that a minority member must be present at all oversight committee depositions.

Prior to her rule change, the Democrats couldn't have pulled that stunt
 
She's correct.

9/9 the investigations were opened, the aid was released 2 days later.

Anyone who believes this is a coincidence is a fool.

Moreover, it's also apparent from testimony Ukraine has EVERY INCENTIVE to toe the line with Trump to ensure they maintain a good relationship, dismissing the notion about "them not knowing" meaning "their can be no bribery."

The POWER of the office of the presidency and the power of our nation are implicit without explanation.
 
JackA said:
If you believe the man just fined two million dollars for stealing from his own charity and who adopts Vladimir Putin as a leadership model is a crusader against corruption then, by all means, believe him.
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Trump is such a piece of ****. Stealing from veterans. He is a total slimey conman.
 
JackA said:
If you believe the man just fined two million dollars for stealing from his own charity and who adopts Vladimir Putin as a leadership model is a crusader against corruption then, by all means, believe him.
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Sorry, Americans just arent interested in this clown show. They've been burned too many times by the Democrats and they just aren't buying what their selling anymore.

The Democrats are just making things worse. Like replacing the allegation of " quid pro quo " with " extortion " and " bribery ".

They obviously think buzzwords is what they need to sway public opinion in their favor.

Problem is people don't respond favorably to being patronized and having their intelligence insulted. It actually pisses people off
 
Fenton said:
Some Democrats Are Skipping Their Two-Week Vacation To Keep Working On Impeachment

Some Democrats Staying In Washington To Keep Working On Impeachment

Democrats stayed in Washington over the two week recess and took full advantage of Pelosi's rule change that did away with the rule that a minority member must be present at all oversight committee depositions.

Prior to her rule change, the Democrats couldn't have pulled that stunt
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You are NOT answering the question. Did Committee Republicans have access to those meetings?
 
dairyair said:
No, real men don't cry and whine incessantly.
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You've been crying and whining about Trump since you joined the forum.
Are you exempt from your rules?
 
trixare4kids said:
You've been crying and whining about Trump since you joined the forum.
Are you exempt from your rules?
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Pointing out tRUMP and his baby ways is not crying or whining. It's simply fact stating.

Now be sure to use your kleenex, as tRUMP does.
 
trouble13 said:
If this goes to the senate and the gop has the balls to attack it properly they could blow up the democrats entire argument and sideline half of the democrats nominees. I will be very surprised if it makes it to the senate.
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The idea that there is no bases for the impeachment is what's blowing up.
We've had 7 or 9 respected officials testify and their testimony is essentially the same. Remember when Trump said he did know Parnas and Fruman and he takes pictures with everyone? Now we have this:

Parnas and Fruman met with Trump during White House Hanukkah party
Parnas said that during the meeting Trump talked about tasking him and Fruman with what Parnas described as “a secret mission” to pressure the Ukrainian government to the Bidens.
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trouble13 said:
The only out for them is to making a convincing enough argument to sway public opinion to their side. Its gonna be interesting to see next November which side prevails. Dont underestimate the amount of utter disdain there is for Trump and the power of persuassion it has with the casual voters.

What i think the democrats are overestimating is their credability with the public. The majority of People even those that are for impeachment understand these charges are exagerated for partisan purposes. Some dont care because they want Trump out of the way of their agenda and others are angry. It remains to be seen which side will have the majority and that number can easily shift between now and novemember. Once these reports are released and the democrats name a nominee so theres a static target for trump to campaign against
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Dems are overestimating, huh?

70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL

51% say he should be impeached and removed from office.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Democrats = The most boring criminally insane people EVER
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Sorry that you lack an attention span.
Law school is boring.
Medical school is boring.
Yet, we are glad we have doctors and lawyers who decided to endured this boredom. We will be glad that we have Members of Congress who endured the boredom of impeachment testimony.
 
dairyair said:
Pointing out tRUMP and his baby ways is not crying or whining. It's simply fact stating.

Now be sure to use your kleenex, as tRUMP does.
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It was when partisans criticized Obama policies. What's changed?

I was going to let you borrow my hanky since it's you who is whining about Trump's "alleged baby ways."
 
MTAtech said:
The idea that there is no bases for the impeachment is what's blowing up.
We've had 7 or 9 respected officials testify and their testimony is essentially the same. Remember when Trump said he did know Parnas and Fruman and he takes pictures with everyone? Now we have this:
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After hearing Pelosi's latest comments im starting to wonder if this will go to the senate. She leaves herself less and less wiggle room to cut n run.

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