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US election 2020: Obama issues warning to 'revolutionary' Democrats

Dans La Lune

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US election 2020: Obama issues warning to 'revolutionary' Democrats - BBC News

The frontrunners are former Vice-President Joe Biden, senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, and Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana.

At the event held in Washington on Friday, Mr Obama did not mention any candidate by name nor criticise any specific policy proposal.


Instead, he used the appearance to urge Democrats to "pay some attention" to voters on issues such as health care and immigration.


These voters, Mr Obama said, did not necessarily have the same views as what he called "certain left-leaning Twitter feeds" or "the activist wing of our party".

The comments, which come less than four months before the Democratic primaries, represent one of Mr Obama's most pointed interventions in the race so far.
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It looks like Obama has learned a great deal from the Republican party, and rather than being a 'Yes We Can!', he's a 'No you can't!' or 'Maybe you shouldn't!' voice within the Democratic party. Very sad. This is what happens when to people when politics puts them through the meat-grinder. Did you know that Nancy Pelosi was once an advocate for single-payer? This is why Trump won in 2016. Democrats stand for nothing. That's why they're sending in Duvel Patrick to tag out Biden.
 
"Even as we push the envelope and are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality" isn't a bad stance nor is it really much of a criticism. We're going into the election season with the electorate we have, not the one we necessarily want.
 
The Democratic party used to advocate for single-payer and right now the majority of democratic voters support it. It will take time to weed out the corporate wing of the party, but the progressive movement is represented in huge percentages among the younger generations. I respect Obama's electoral instincts, but the progressive movement is running for real change and if the popularity of politicians like Sanders and AOC holds among young people that change will be undeniable. Whether or not that happens in 2020 I don't know, but it is definitely coming.
 
Dans La Lune said:
It looks like Obama has learned a great deal from the Republican party, and rather than being a 'Yes We Can!', he's a 'No you can't!' or 'Maybe you shouldn't!' voice within the Democratic party. Very sad. This is what happens when to people when politics puts them through the meat-grinder. Did you know that Nancy Pelosi was once an advocate for single-payer? This is why Trump won in 2016. Democrats stand for nothing. That's why they're sending in Duvel Patrick to tag out Biden.
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No, Obama is trying to tell the candidates not to follow the kook fringe left out beyond where the electorate is willing to go. Hes right, but I hope the candidates dont listen.
 
I do think there is some warrant for caution. While I do think that Trump is so bad, that a Sanders or Warren could win, I'm not sure that America in general wants something so far left as that. It does open the gate for Trump and his tactics.

I'd still say Trump would start behind, even to Sanders or Warren, but his best chances at a second term come from the far-left candidates.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
"Even as we push the envelope and are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality" isn't a bad stance nor is it really much of a criticism. We're going into the election season with the electorate we have, not the one we necessarily want.
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Paraphrasing Rummy? I'm so attracted to you right now. :)
 
MrPeanut said:
The Democratic party used to advocate for single-payer and right now the majority of democratic voters support it. It will take time to weed out the corporate wing of the party, but the progressive movement is represented in huge percentages among the younger generations. I respect Obama's electoral instincts, but the progressive movement is running for real change and if the popularity of politicians like Sanders and AOC holds among young people that change will be undeniable. Whether or not that happens in 2020 I don't know, but it is definitely coming.
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I don't really go for the platform of Sanders and AOC...but I would love to see the Trumpeteer cultists' heads explode if they really got into power. Almost worth the price of admission...almost
 
Democrats would be smart if they listened to Obama. He has realized that because he tried to push the country in a direction it wasn’t ready to go in resulted in Trump getting elected. If the current crop of left leaning idiots ignore his advice it will result in another 4 years of Trump and Democrats wondering why they lost and looking for others to blame for their failure to offer a viable alternative.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
"Even as we push the envelope and are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality" isn't a bad stance nor is it really much of a criticism. We're going into the election season with the electorate we have, not the one we necessarily want.
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I think he is right. I would love single payer health care, but is there country there yet? Probably not. I suspect that will be a more realistic proposition in 2024 or 2028.
 
Good to see even idiot boy calling progressives out for the bat **** crazy loons they are.


Good for him!
 
Ikari said:
I don't really go for the platform of Sanders and AOC...but I would love to see the Trumpeteer cultists' heads explode if they really got into power. Almost worth the price of admission...almost
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I think that at the very least issues like single-payer, living wage, and possibly free or greatly reduced tuition are inevitable. The stress that is being put on the system in these areas is unsustainable. I don't know if they'll happen in 10 or 20 years, but I do believe that they will happen. I'd bet Trump fans would be much more angry if Clinton jumped in and won the nomination than if Bernie wins it. It's about the personalities more than the policies with them.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
"Even as we push the envelope and are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality" isn't a bad stance nor is it really much of a criticism. We're going into the election season with the electorate we have, not the one we necessarily want.
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That's not unreasonable, but I also feel that where Obama went wrong was in being overly trusting and naive, and I'm not really sure he's learned.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think that at the very least issues like single-payer, living wage, and possibly free or greatly reduced tuition are inevitable. The stress that is being put on the system in these areas is unsustainable. I don't know if they'll happen in 10 or 20 years, but I do believe that they will happen. I'd bet Trump fans would be much more angry if Clinton jumped in and won the nomination than if Bernie wins it. It's about the personalities more than the policies with them.
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You don't think they'd lose their collective minds if "socialism" took over.

I do agree that we have some major issues facing us, healthcare, wealth disparity, educational costs, etc. These do need to be addressed, for sure. But we need good, solid plans by which to do so. I think the M4A thing is a band-aid at best for our real issues with healthcare and prescription drug prices.

But we'll see what happens. I would just expect the alt-right Trumpeteer Cultist to go full "Antifa" should someone like Sanders win.
 
Dans La Lune said:
It looks like Obama has learned a great deal from the Republican party, and rather than being a 'Yes We Can!', he's a 'No you can't!' or 'Maybe you shouldn't!' voice within the Democratic party. Very sad. This is what happens when to people when politics puts them through the meat-grinder. Did you know that Nancy Pelosi was once an advocate for single-payer? This is why Trump won in 2016. Democrats stand for nothing. That's why they're sending in Duvel Patrick to tag out Biden.
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The idea is to win. You can hold a specific view 'till the cows come home but if you're not elected, you can't implement it.
 
Cardinal said:
That's not unreasonable, but I also feel that where Obama went wrong was in being overly trusting and naive, and I'm not really sure he's learned.
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He suffer from the good man's curse in that he thinks other people have the same moral instincts, which can lead to being blind sided by those who do not.
 
Ikari said:
You don't think they'd lose their collective minds if "socialism" took over.

I do agree that we have some major issues facing us, healthcare, wealth disparity, educational costs, etc. These do need to be addressed, for sure. But we need good, solid plans by which to do so. I think the M4A thing is a band-aid at best for our real issues with healthcare and prescription drug prices.

But we'll see what happens. I would just expect the alt-right Trumpeteer Cultist to go full "Antifa" should someone like Sanders win.
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They can call it antisoc
 
Ikari said:
You don't think they'd lose their collective minds if "socialism" took over.

I do agree that we have some major issues facing us, healthcare, wealth disparity, educational costs, etc. These do need to be addressed, for sure. But we need good, solid plans by which to do so. I think the M4A thing is a band-aid at best for our real issues with healthcare and prescription drug prices.

But we'll see what happens. I would just expect the alt-right Trumpeteer Cultist to go full "Antifa" should someone like Sanders win.
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If a Democrat wins they will say that socialism took over.
 
MrPeanut said:
If a Democrat wins they will say that socialism took over.
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I mean...that is their go-to line. But they'll be angry as hell and it will amuse me greatly.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think that at the very least issues like single-payer, living wage, and possibly free or greatly reduced tuition are inevitable. The stress that is being put on the system in these areas is unsustainable. I don't know if they'll happen in 10 or 20 years, but I do believe that they will happen. I'd bet Trump fans would be much more angry if Clinton jumped in and won the nomination than if Bernie wins it. It's about the personalities more than the policies with them.
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It's all about policies and little to do with personalities. You'd understand that if you were a Trump supporter.


And it's not that we couldn't get behind some liberal policies such as lower tuition or single payer, it's just the stupidity of liberals to throw money at problems without addressing the underlying costs that annoy us.
 
MrPeanut said:
If a Democrat wins they will say that socialism took over.
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With the definition of socialism being "what I don't currently support as a candidate or policy" and nothing actually concrete but more based on emotion
 
tacomancer said:
With the definition of socialism being "what I don't currently support as a candidate or policy" and nothing actually concrete but more based on emotion
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Exactly, it's basically just the term they use if something isn't strictly right wing.
 
Cardinal said:
That's not unreasonable, but I also feel that where Obama went wrong was in being overly trusting and naive, and I'm not really sure he's learned.
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I certainly agree that his naivety clouds his judgement, but he also spent 8 years in office and knows how hard it was to get policy put into practice. Remember how utterly revolutionary and controversial Obamacare seemed, when at best was a half-hearted attempt at universal coverage for some people?

We lost in 2016 because we didn't have a candidate that fired up the base and resonated with our voters. Democrats have always done best when we've had someone to fire up the base and come across as a real progressive, but with the exception of maybe FDR none of them have actually been as successful as they had hoped when it came to making policy reality.
 
dobieg said:
it's just the stupidity of liberals to throw money at problems without addressing the underlying costs that annoy us.
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Kind of like starting Trade War with China and then having to throw massive dollars to Farmers to bail them out?
 
tacomancer said:
With the definition of socialism being "what I don't currently support as a candidate or policy" and nothing actually concrete but more based on emotion
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That is the alt-right Trumpeteer cultist definition...yes.
 
dobieg said:
It's all about policies and little to do with personalities. You'd understand that if you were a Trump supporter.


And it's not that we couldn't get behind some liberal policies such as lower tuition or single payer, it's just the stupidity of liberals to throw money at problems without addressing the underlying costs that annoy us.
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I am not a Trump supporter but I live in a state where most voters are Trump supporters. I have heard multiple supporters, without being prompted, talk about being interested in the two issues you just mentioned. The reason I say it isn't about policies is because Trump represents the complete opposite of those ideas. If you are interested in single payer or lowering the cost of college tuition supporting Trump is the last thing that you would want to do. Liberals constantly talk about how to pay for programs. You shouldn't be annoyed by something that doesn't happen.
 
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