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Staffer who overheard Trump call with Sondland gives "damning" testimony

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poweRob said:
To be fair... right at this moment, it is 5:43 AM in St. Petersburg, Russia. Gotta get some z's sometime.
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Oh, I know. I play this war game online with people from all over the world. The Chinese "alliances" always cheat with hacks and the Russian alliances are mercilessly brutal. I have their time differences memorized because it's best to go to war when your enemy is asleep.

Maybe we should just spam the forum with anti-Trump threads while they're sleeping and then see how long we can keep them occupied that way.
 
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Exactice said:
This ONLY tell one side of the story....
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There is a really easy solution to this.
 
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PoliSciXtina said:
Miracles do happen!


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I don't even care if the Senate convicts him. It will be a blight on their careers and a sad moment in American history if they don't, but that's between them, their constituents, their families, and their gods. I just want the Democrats to do a good enough job that even if the Senate does acquit Trump he gets voted out of office next year. If I never see this ass clown or hear his stupid voice for the rest of my life, it will be too soon.
 
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Cardinal said:
Just think: Sondland paid a cool million for that gig.
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LOL It has has to be up there with the stupidest move ever.
 
JANFU said:
Staffer who overheard Trump call with Sondland gives "damning" testimony - CBS News



Linkage to Trump and can his supporters say quid pro quo

After yesterdays testimony Sondland will now revise his testimony for the 3rd time

Oh yes there were a few others present.

I am sure Holmes, perfect name for this, will be testifying in the next 2 weeks
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I watched a video of this staffer and man it doesn't get much worse than this. It's pretty graphic. This guy Sondland comes off as being a complete idiot. Like the President he appears to have no filter whatsoever. Only the best and the brightest of course. Seems like every time someone else gets on the stand something else about Sondland comes out. Looks as though he's going to have to revise his testimony yet again. He's screwed seven ways to Sunday now. Think he better start thinking about cutting a deal. Especially if he saw what happened to Roger Stone today.
 
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PoliSciXtina said:
So if this is a firsthand account, what will the trumpites say now?
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Nothing, apparently.

Nalu said:
I noticed the same thing. Sometimes a particularly contentious thread will open and no one will post anything pro-Trump for hours. Then at some point, they all sort of storm it at the same time saying the exact same things as each other.
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poweRob said:
You know what's funny about trumpanzees? They seem to deflate unless it's a certain hour of the day and then they all come spamming in together it seems pushing the same lie and/or talking point. So curious.
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I skimmed through Hannity on my DVR. I didn't notice any mention of it. That must be why few Trump supporters are contributing to this thread. There has been no argument given to them for them to parrot.
 
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Keridan said:
I was being specific to phrasing, this would definitely be a gray area in court since they are saying the phone call was the crime, but no one involved in it was present

However, what do you think "hearsay" comes from?

Oh, by the way, I heard Hillary try to sell sexual favors for the presidency over the phone 3 years ago at a conference, so now we can convict her of prostitution, right?

To be fair, I'm pretty much convinced Trump is corrupt, but to take this in front of congress with this weak-ass evidence right before election when you desperately need to take attention from the parade of clowns your party embarrassingly put up as competition is not how you sell critical thinkers
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Critical thinkers do not see this case as weak.
 
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Nalu said:
I don't even care if the Senate convicts him. It will be a blight on their careers and a sad moment in American history if they don't, but that's between them, their constituents, their families, and their gods. I just want the Democrats to do a good enough job that even if the Senate does acquit Trump he gets voted out of office next year. If I never see this ass clown or hear his stupid voice for the rest of my life, it will be too soon.
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AGREED! If I see or hear him while watching the news, I switch it off. I cannot stand the sight or sound of him. Many of us feel the same. The day he’s gone I will be throwing a huge party at my house.


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apdst said:
They didn't hear the entire conversation, so they can't give any credible context.

This is a bigger flop than the Mueller report...lol
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Bwahahaha!
 
Top Cat said:
So will the Tangerine sphincter.
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If he refuses immunity then IIRC he would be held in contempt

This is his last chance to save his reputation, or what is left of it
 
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Nalu said:
Ah, that makes sense. I've never had a Twitter account because again, I'm not a masochist. I wonder what's fun or enjoyable about typing other people's thoughts or ideas onto an internet board.
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Twitter is based on who you follow. So you don't have to be a masochist by choosing those to follow that don't torture you. If you follow correctly, it's like watching news break constantly before the news channels can even get it.
 
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Thread by @jaketapper: "ICYMI, from the opening statement of David Holmes, senior policy and political adviser at US Embassy in Ukraine, who became a foreign servic […]"

Interesting excerpts:

Jake Tapper on Twitter: "10/ Around that same time, Holmes says, he became aware that Giuliani "was taking a direct role in Ukrainian diplomacy." On April 25, Zelenskyy childhood friend/campaign chair Ivan Bakanov told Holmes that Giuliani had contacted him and told him he was an adviser to VP Pence."

Jake Tapper on Twitter: "23/ Holmes asked Sondland his impressions of Trump's views of Ukraine, specifically if it were true that Trump did not "give a s--t about Ukraine."

Sondland agreed with the assessment.

Holmes asked why not.

Sondland said Trump only cares about "big stuff.""

Jake Tapper on Twitter: "24/ Holmes said there was "big stuff" going on in Ukraine, such as war with Russia.

Sondland said "he meant 'big stuff' that benefits the President, like the 'Biden investigation' that Mr. Giuliani was pushing.""
 
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poweRob said:
Twitter is based on who you follow. So you don't have to be a masochist by choosing those to follow that don't torture you. If you follow correctly, it's like watching news break constantly before the news channels can even get it.
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Oof. I'll pass. Print and TV media do the public a disservice in the race to be first anyway. I don't think I need my news quicker than the way they do it.
 
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W_Heisenberg said:
Nothing, apparently.





I skimmed through Hannity on my DVR. I didn't notice any mention of it. That must be why few Trump supporters are contributing to this thread. There has been no argument given to them for them to parrot.
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My thoughts exactly. They've been burned too many times by speaking without permission and giving (at least somewhat) reasonable responses. Then Trump tweets or Hannity goes on the air and bam! They're blown out of the water looking like fools and have to change their entire position (because anything less would be treasonous). So I think they just sit there quietly, glowering at the ticker scroll until one of the powers on high tells them how they feel about something.
 
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JustHanging said:
...and...you fail.

Is that the only call between Trump and Zelensky? Almost certainly not, but I can't blame you for getting so excited about finding a phone call where Trump didn't say or do something idiotic or illegal. It's like a miracle.
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LOL So what call did he do something Illegal we got both Transcripts that show nothing.....

Secondly can you answer again. Sonland being the Ambassador for the EU and NOT Ukraine, his aid supposedly over heard "investigation" can you prove that it specific to Biden. Or are you "assuming" more so that is your opinion? NOT Fact....
 
JANFU said:
Staffer who overheard Trump call with Sondland gives "damning" testimony - CBS News



Linkage to Trump and can his supporters say quid pro quo

After yesterdays testimony Sondland will now revise his testimony for the 3rd time

Oh yes there were a few others present.

I am sure Holmes, perfect name for this, will be testifying in the next 2 weeks
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LOL. So the staffer totally heard that the Ukrainian president was going to do an investigation that he never actually did and that the Ukrainian President said he was never pressured to do....

Seems legit. :roll:
 
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ecofarm said:
And only Trump knows this. And he can't tell anyone else. So he's gotta sell the US military so that justice can be announced (in his favor).

I see. He's Superman and had to do completely disgusting unethical things in order to save us all from something that only he knew about. Our hero.

What kind of a sap falls for that? I wouldn't have thought an American.
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OK so you now admit, ONLY Trump knows and NO ONE else has any direct evidence at this point.... Im done here that was pretty simple.



As for Being "American" So let me ask you, I as an American.

1) $400 million is .000000001% of my Tax dollars, I think I have a right to questions if that money (while appropriated by congress) Is going to a country that is NOT going to use it for corrupt purposes. So if Trump wants to hold up the funds after a new President is elected to ensure his stance to anti-corruption. To me that seems to be in the best interest.

2) Screaming about Political Gain...... A lot of that is going around. I have said it many times here "Shoe on the other foot", While I would NEVER condone illegal actions, shoe is on the other foot. The Steel Dossier was WAY more of a personal political abuse of power, this is a joke. MORE so the Biden's DO seem to have a unique arrangement. If they are so innocent, Same thing should apply... How about this. Trump Testifies, as well as Biden's Testifies... See who would actually connected further down the rabbit hole.



Point remains.....in contrast to I dont know what you are rambling about..... Can you prove that what holmes hear "Investigation" is specific to Biden. Can you prove this?.... doubt it.
 
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Nalu said:
Aloha, Exactice. Ask yourself why Trump was involved in the first place. He's the president of the United States of America. He has tens of thousands of people (or more) working for him at the State Department, at the Justice Department, at the Energy Department, etc. What about this particular situation drew the intensive, personal attention and action of the busiest and most powerful man on the planet?
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I cant answer that question because there has been ZERO definite proof that what he has been accused of has occurred. This is the thing at to be extremely critical.

1) Is Opposition research legal? As Guliani is likely doing opposition research right? Is he doing things illegal?
2) Involved. Trump is involved in ensuring American Tax Dollars are not being abused. He has been pretty consistent on this.. Let me ask this question.... What has NO other funds been questions, Fro NATO, Puerto Rico, etc. This is no surprise. He has factually done this. YET the DEMS are pushing a narrative specific to Ukraine. YET there has been ZERO proof of a direct order (Yet) From a first Hand witness. (Sonland is NOT direct, as he revised his testimony to "Public Anti-Corruption Statement" Nothing specific to Biden's. The Biden's is a Talking Point.

3) (tin foil hat time) Its odd that the Dems are coming to the specific aid to defend the Biden's and launch these impeachment inquiries. If the Biden's are innocent, Why not lay the facts down that Biden's have nothing to hide and are completely absolved of any indiscretions. Hunter Biden being hired and paid a large sum of money on a board is NOT illegal. But they are finding through FOIA email's of Hunter Biden to the State Department and vice versa, In regards to Burisma. Bursima was lobbying the state department for help.

4) Biden himself. So here is the very unique situation. Shoken was corrupt (While even investigating Bursima) But Biden is ON TV, comitting an ACTUAL Quid Pro Quo of stating fire the Prosecutor or you are not getting your billion. The Fired the Prosecutor IS THAT not a text book QPQ?

5) In relation to above.... If Trump did NOT commnit a QPQ as text book as Biden. Bribery is the next charge.... who considers it a bribery? If Trump "tried" to Bribe Zelensky. But Zelensky did not take it as a bribe but just did it because he wanted too is that still a bribe? Zelensky states (these are the relevant 2 consenting parties as opinions of staffers is just that opinions) (If a friend of mine says, Im giong to kill you. And someone over hears it and says hey I heard that guy say he is going to kill another guy, calls the cops. Cops show up and ask me did he say he was going to kill you and I say yes, But, I know he wasnt going to really do it, because hes my friend. Will my friend be charged with "terroristic threatening or whatever the charge is?"


I think this is BLOWN WAY out of proportions. This is exactly how I see it.

Trump Candid and Comfortable ask a common counter part to look into indiscretions that came out of Ukraine's country. Becuase Zelensky obliged without hesitation, Trump was under the impression that Zelensky was a friend and would do things for him. A Staffer and others hear the candid conversation and had concerns and reported it. These concerns played the telephone game especially with trump and got more and more sinister of the course of being whispered in another person's ear.... but in reality it was a candid conversation.


Perfect timing since the Burisma thing came up, Biden has a saving grace to blow this up and try to show malicious intent by Trump..... to try and hurt Trump's Political chance... (Funny as the same thing they accuse trump of doing, the DEMS IN American are intentionally making the Impeachment a POLITICAL attack to hurt Trump's campaign) Anyways its now over blown into something quite silly in my opinion.


closing, what about this particular situation drew.......? I dont think its as "particular" as people are making it out to be.....Its funny if I can treat this as a percentage? I bet this is like 2% of Trumps attention, But the Dems are making it out to be like it was 98%..... WELL blown out of proportion in my opinion
 
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poweRob said:
"per the transcripts" :lamo

Translation: per the lying memo that trump put out.
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YEAH, has ANYONE accused the Transcript as being false. what a stupid comment. Are you imply that the Transcript is FALSE in part or in its entirety. Why if so, has NO democrat at all EVERY brought that up EVER. In the hearing or on TV and straight up say. The Transcript is false its fabricated, its missing essential parts that would implicate the President and We have X people to Prove so.

Yet only Vindman & Sonland are the 2 on the call (that have testified) and have ZERO facts that trump specifically committed a QPQ, Bribe. Because it did NOT happen on any of the calls. I would ask you to prove other wise. Thanks!
 
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W_Heisenberg said:
There is a really easy solution to this.
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You are 100% correct.....

Option 1
1) This House inquiry is completely and utterly partisan and no matter how much Truth comes out. Trump will be impeached in the HOUSE
1a) As an example, Say ALL the exculpatory evidence is release, Say all the WH official's are allowed to Testify, and they all validate that trump NEVER asked for a specific hold in relation to a specific Biden testimony. The Fact is the hold was to ensure the money was not going to go to corruption. Trump asking Zelensky was a candid conversation with no ill intent.

2) With the above this all came out. Dems would STILL impeach him in the house.

3) This will then Go to the Senate which will be DOA due to the partisan impeachment vote and the facts above.


Option 2

1) The WH stone walls all exculpatory information.
2) The House Impeaches him anyways
3) It goes to the Senate and an actual trial comes out where there is EQUALITY in the court of law
4) WH allows all testimony
5) Likely dismissed.


This is the facts.... IT will be a PARTISAN no MATTER WHAT... House against Trump thats Fact.

It will either be DOA at the Senate
Or even if held as a Trial there is enough exculpatory evidence and Partisan votes to not remove in the senate anyways. This is an ABSOLUTE waste of time and more so..... if this goes really bad during 2020.... Some seats are going to get flipped and the majority will possibly change....
 
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