The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur files to run for Katie Hill's House seat

Dans La Lune · Nov 15, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
In fact there was no genocide ever committed by the United States

The Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians = genocide.

Americian colonialists systematically raped, killed, and displaced Indigenous Americans, bring their population from ~10 million to ~300,000 = not genocide?

When Native Americans Were Slaughtered in the Name of ‘Civilization’ - HISTORY

and you cannot produce a case that would stand up in a criminal trial that any of the founders raped slaves

Can a slave consent to sex from the slave-owner?

Harshaw · Nov 15, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
OOPS, you are kind of correct. I just checked the post chronology. I wasn't paying attention to who was saying what. Turns out that when I said, "Harshaw brought the NRA and McConnell into this discussion" I was actually replying to Harshaw (you). The confusion comes from the fact that I didn't think Harshaw (you) would claim another person brought the NRA and McConnell into this thread. Because that would be a pretty stupid thing to do, yet you did it.

No, I didn't. Is there no end to things you'll just plain make up? I haven't seen that there is.

So explain the creation of the Justice Democrats, Wolf-PAC, and his progressive advocacy and then tell me the angle of the grift. You made an assertion, not an argument.

You keep using the word "grift," a word I never used. I said he cynically adopted the "progressive" persona.

David Brock did the same thing and he founded Media Matters to bitch unendingly about conservatives. You seem to think there's something incongruous about it.

Ooooo, I will have to go check. Last I remember, I challenged you and YOU stopped posting. I didn't realize you had taken up my challenge. Thanks drawing my attention to it!

Riiight.

Dans La Lune · Nov 15, 2019

Harshaw said:
No, I didn't. Is there no end to things you'll just plain make up? I haven't seen that there is.

The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur files to run for Katie Hill's House seat

You keep using the word "grift," a word I never used. I said he cynically adopted the "progressive" persona.

For what reason?

David Brock did the same thing and he founded Media Matters to bitch unendingly about conservatives.

David Brock was coerced by Clinton-money. He had no ideological conviction, he just wanted to get paid. Are you saying that's what Cenk is doing, and how is that not a grift if so?

Riiight.

Well, go check out the thread. Watch me run.

EMNofSeattle · Nov 15, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
The Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians = genocide.

correct

Americian colonialists systematically raped, killed, and displaced Indigenous Americans, bring their population from ~10 million to ~300,000 = not genocide?

Why do you keep throwing the word “Rape around” do you have a fetish for sexual violence? The left is just absurdly focused on sex it seems.

But to the point, deaths due to disease and combat are not genocide, there was never a systemic attempt to eliminate the native Americans from the continent.

When Native Americans Were Slaughtered in the Name of ‘Civilization’ - HISTORY

Can a slave consent to sex from the slave-owner?

Yes, any human being of sound mind can consent to sex.

poweRob · Nov 15, 2019

Casca XV said:
will they pay him in Bacon Grease?

That would make it easy. Just render the GOP.

Dans La Lune · Nov 15, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Why do you keep throwing the word “Rape around” do you have a fetish for sexual violence?

Rather it's actually an important part of the history of what was done to indigenous Americans, the legacy of which exists to this day.

But to the point, deaths due to disease and combat are not genocide, there was never a systemic attempt to eliminate the native Americans from the continent.

This is an arbitrary distinction based on another but you feeling better about the foundation of America. Historians very much disagree with you.

"...clashing differences that led the U.S. government to authorize over 1,500 wars, attacks and raids on Indians, the most of any country in the world against its indigenous people. By the close of the Indian Wars in the late 19th century, fewer than 238,000 indigenous people remained, a sharp decline from the estimated 5 million to 15 million living in North America when Columbus arrived in 1492."

...

"The reasons for this racial genocide were multi-layered. Settlers, most of whom had been barred from inheriting property in Europe, arrived on American shores hungry for Indian land—and the abundant natural resources that came with it. Indians’ collusion with the British during the American Revolution and the War of 1812 exacerbated American hostility and suspicion toward them.

Even more fundamentally, indigenous people were just too different: Their skin was dark. Their languages were foreign. And their world views and spiritual beliefs were beyond most white men’s comprehension. To settlers fearful that a loved one might become the next Mary Campbell, all this stoked racial hatred and paranoia, making it easy to paint indigenous peoples as pagan savages who must be killed in the name of civilization and Christianity."

Yes, any human being of sound mind can consent to sex.

I think you might want to recalculate that statement, especially with regard to people considered property and/or children.

3leftsdoo · Nov 15, 2019

Harshaw said:
If you say so.

:thumbs:

3leftsdoo · Nov 15, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
That's why he has organized Wolf-PAC and co-founded the Justice Democrats, facilitating the rise of AOC, the Squad, and enormously benefiting Bernie Sanders in pushing the Democrats towards the progressive left.

He's really all-in on this con-job. I hope he succeeds.

Nothing benefits Bernie - he was politically assassinated by the Democrats in 2016.

The Squad is a joke; Omar the only impressive member.

It functions as a pathetic token of Democrat lip service to sham fauxcialist values.

3leftsdoo · Nov 15, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Every single founding father committed genocide and raped slaves?

I think that’s going to be a tough one to prove. In fact there was no genocide ever committed by the United States, and you cannot produce a case that would stand up in a criminal trial that any of the founders raped slaves

Not true, but also not the topic.

Harshaw · Nov 17, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur files to run for Katie Hill's House seat

What on Earth (or your Moon home) do you think posting a link to this thread does for you?

For what reason?

I'd suspect it would have to do with the fact that his "Young Turks" shtick and attempts at being a conservative media personality weren't panning out and he sought a different audience.

Perhaps rightly suspecting that left-wing media loves NOTHING more than it loves former conservatives who now tell them everything they want to hear.

David Brock was coerced by Clinton-money. He had no ideological conviction, he just wanted to get paid. Are you saying that's what Cenk is doing

I think with Cenk it's more about the attention than the money. That's also true of Limbaugh and Hannity, by the way.

Well, go check out the thread. Watch me run.

I already saw you do it once.

Dans La Lune · Nov 17, 2019

Harshaw said:
What on Earth (or your Moon home) do you think posting a link to this thread does for you?

It shows that you initiated the McConnell/NRA point.

I think with Cenk it's more about the attention than the money. That's also true of Limbaugh and Hannity, by the way.

I'd suspect it would have to do with the fact that his "Young Turks" shtick and attempts at being a conservative media personality weren't panning out and he sought a different audience.

Based on what? That you know people aligned with your ideology (e.g. Dave Rubin) are in it for the bucks and assume the same is true of Cenk?

I think Limbaugh and Hannity are legitimately in it for corruption and opposition to progressive values, and Cenk is legitimately opposed to corruption and is for progressive values, hence all the initiatives he has founded to remove corruption from politics.

I already saw you do it once.

I guess we'll see. That you fell of my radar is not a testament to your strength as a debater.

Harshaw · Nov 17, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
It shows that you initiated the McConnell/NRA point.

:roll: You continue to lie about what I did.

Based on what? That you know people aligned with your ideology (e.g. Dave Rubin) are in it for the bucks and assume the same is true of Cenk?

I don't at all claim Dave Rubin, but I'd point out he was once in with the Young Turks.

I think Limbaugh and Hannity are legitimately in it for corruption and opposition to progressive values, and Cenk is legitimately opposed to corruption and is for progressive values, hence all the initiatives he has founded to remove corruption from politics.

Of course you do.

I guess we'll see. That you fell of my radar is not a testament to your strength as a debater.

That isn't what you wanted me to think. No, you wanted me to think you assumed I hadn't responded. You change your story a lot. I mean, a LOT.

Dans La Lune · Nov 17, 2019

Harshaw said:
:roll: You continue to lie about what I did.

Chronology.

I don't at all claim Dave Rubin

Even though he's a proponent of classical liberalism like yourself?

but I'd point out he was once in with the Young Turks.

He sure was. He tried to con the Young Turks out of money and they didn't buy his scam.

Of course you do.

That's why I said it.

That isn't what you wanted me to think.

I don't really care what you think.

You change your story a lot. I mean, a LOT.

Not even a little bit. You fell off my radar due to how the notification system works, and because I thought you had conceded the discussion in your absence. But apparently you're a glutton for punishment.

Harshaw · Nov 17, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
Chronology.

Sometimes you spew words like they're supposed to mean something.

Even though he's a proponent of classical liberalism like yourself?

When did I declare myself a "proponent of classical liberalism"?

He sure was. He tried to con the Young Turks out of money and they didn't buy his scam.

:shrug: Not my problem.

I don't really care what you think.

Oh, yes you do. If you didn't, you wouldn't be trying to so hard to convince me you don't:

Not even a little bit. You fell off my radar due to how the notification system works, and because I thought you had conceded the discussion in your absence. But apparently you're a glutton for punishment.

Jack Hays · Nov 17, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
Americian colonialists systematically raped, killed, and displaced Indigenous Americans, bring their population from ~10 million to ~300,000 = not genocide?

Yawn. Conquest over the course of 400 years, not genocide.
There is no country on Earth --not one-- whose territory is today in the possession of its original inhabitants. We call this history.

Dans La Lune · Nov 17, 2019

Harshaw said:
Sometimes you spew words like they're supposed to mean something.

I meant that, chronologically, you brought them into the discussion.

When did I declare myself a "proponent of classical liberalism"?

Are you? You seem to be.

If you didn't, you wouldn't be trying to so hard to convince me you don't:

Wouldn't it be funny if you called attention to our previous discussion only to get dragged again?

Harshaw · Nov 17, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
I meant that, chronologically, you brought them into the discussion.

Again, you're spewing words like they're supposed to mean something.

Are you? You seem to be.

I'm exactly what I say in my lean.

Wouldn't it be funny if you called attention to our previous discussion only to get dragged again?

Would have to have been dragged the first time for it to happen "again."

truthatallcost · Nov 17, 2019

3leftsdoo said:
Uygur = Total sociopath

He's one of the worst debaters I've ever seen. He's ill-prepared to defend his positions, and usually devolves into insults, angry tirades, and ad hominem attacks. I think Ana is scared of him, which is why she works with a genocide denier..

Jack Hays · Nov 17, 2019

Sounds like the kind of Democrat preferred by Republicans as an opponent.

3leftsdoo · Nov 18, 2019

truthatallcost said:
He's one of the worst debaters I've ever seen. He's ill-prepared to defend his positions, and usually devolves into insults, angry tirades, and ad hominem attacks. I think Ana is scared of him, which is why she works with a genocide denier..

He really is a special kind of scum.

He'll be right at home with the Democrats.

:thumbs:

Dans La Lune · Nov 18, 2019

Harshaw said:
Again, you're spewing words like they're supposed to mean something.

I don't know why you have trouble admitting it. It's such a small thing.

I'm exactly what I say in my lean.

Except that you also identify as liberal. Which is it? I think you are slippery with terminology so as not to get pinned down. Which is a common trait for modern libertarian-leaning people like Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson. They're not 'libertarians or right-wingers', they're 'classical liberals' or 'BRITISH classical liberals'. It's all part of a tired shell game.

Would have to have been dragged the first time for it to happen "again."

Keep telling yourself that, champ.

Harshaw · Nov 18, 2019

Dans La Lune said:
I don't know why you have trouble admitting it. It's such a small thing.

You don't even know what you're accusing me of to "admit."

Except that you also identify as liberal.

Unlike you, I understand where there's an overlap and am not invested in trying to pretend there isn't any when there is.

Keep telling yourself that, champ.

Yeah.

Like all demagogues, Cenk needs his faithful flock, so by all means, go flock to him, faithfully.

Dans La Lune · Nov 19, 2019

Harshaw said:
You don't even know what you're accusing me of to "admit."

Sure I do. I am saying that you brought McConnell and the NRA into this thread. Simple thing to admit.

Unlike you, I understand where there's an overlap and am not invested in trying to pretend there isn't any when there is.

Unlike you, I understand how to use a ****ing dictionary.

Yeah.

Like all demagogues, Cenk needs his faithful flock, so by all means, go flock to him, faithfully.

Just because all your heroes (e.g. Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson) are con artists, don't project.

The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur files to run for Katie Hill's House seat

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