[W:3]Santa Clarita, California, high school shooting leaves multiple people injured, suspect

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vesper said:

Do I have this right that the shooter 16 years old lost his dad in the past year? He decides on his birthday to kill shoot up his classmates using one of his dad's guns on his birthday and then shoot himself in an attempted suicided? Am I correct? If so this was a troubled soul, that needed help.

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I agree...but more importantly for society, we need to figure out why so many of these boys/men have decided in recent decades to destroy innocent people when they become 'troubled.'

"Troubled," mentally ill, angry, bitter, etc men in the past didnt generally choose to take their own self-destruction out on others like the trend seems to be today. We need to figure out why they are so angry at everyone else and blame everyone else...and either help them or stop them.

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ttwtt78640 said:

There is also considerable harm in "officially" (by the government) being labeled as "bat**** insane".

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Eh, depends on the situation. If we have to be that paranoid might as well burn the country down and start over. I don't see we're there... yet.

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Common Sense 1 said:

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said that a male Asian suspect was seen at the location. Radio scanner traffic from the area has said that the suspect was among those shot. He was rushed to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. The suspect died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Saugus High School Shooting: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

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the more important part of this is why these people keep doing this.
i mean it seriously makes no sense.

i mean are kids these days just do not have that much mental fortitude that they can't handle this?
it is time we got serious and started finding out what the trigger point is that this occurs.

Elvira said:

But why? Why do kids feel the need to do this? What in their lives makes them so desperate?

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lack of attention?
lack of popularity?
jealousy?
lack of any mental toughness to handle life in general?

kids today are coddled to death is the main issue.

growing up you had two choices be a victim or toughen up.
when something happened you were told to just get over it and toughen up and stop being a baby.
today kids cry over not getting a toy every time they go to the store and their parents by them 5.

parents in a way have lost the ability to parent. anything done is called to DCF.
good values were taught at home and at school but now teachers are powerless to do anything to students.

hell teachers catch hell for giving kids the grade they earn.

some of this could be copy cat behavior, but there is more to it than that.
i honestly don't believe that there are that many copy cats out there.

all of these kids suffer some kind of mental health issues big time.

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vesper said:

Do I have this right that the shooter 16 years old lost his dad in the past year? He decides on his birthday to kill shoot up his classmates using one of his dad's guns on his birthday and then shoot himself in an attempted suicided? Am I correct? If so this was a troubled soul, that needed help.

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some people handle the death of people in different ways and he never got through any of the stages of grief. probably pretty close to his dad, but it takes sever depression and just non-thinking or working mind
to do that.

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Renae said:

Eh, depends on the situation. If we have to be that paranoid might as well burn the country down and start over. I don't see we're there... yet.

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The "situation", as you put it, is that someone could (and likely would) be labeled as dangerous and/or mentally ill (I think you had termed it as being "bat**** insane") with absolutely no due process or formal legal adjudication. Whether a person gets mandated "help" or not is relatively unimportant if they were labeled as "bat**** insane" by (school?) "officials" in order to deserve that "help". Would you or your neighbors be likely to let your children associate with someone labeled as "bat**** insane" and forced to receive "help"?

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ludin said:

the more important part of this is why these people keep doing this.
i mean it seriously makes no sense.

i mean are kids these days just do not have that much mental fortitude that they can't handle this?
it is time we got serious and started finding out what the trigger point is that this occurs.

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Grown ass men are doing the same thing.

ClaraD said:

No, your comment has nothing to do with what happened, it is your partisan hackery being interjected.

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No, your response again is partisan hackery. My response was concerning the reason for this incident as well as others. Just because you want this to be another anti-2nd Amendment reason doesn't mean I can't have my opinions why this happened. Get over it. What I said was true.

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Luther said:

Not true Parser

Idaho school district buys rifles, will warn visitors building is 'armed' | KBOI

And does this make us a stronger American society or a weaker one?

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In certain parts of Idaho perhaps that idea would work but it would not work very well in the middle of a large urban school district.

My niece and nephew used to be students at Saugus High School a few years back, circa 2006 or so.

Cougarbear said:

No, your response again is partisan hackery. My response was concerning the reason for this incident as well as others. Just because you want this to be another anti-2nd Amendment reason doesn't mean I can't have my opinions why this happened. Get over it. What I said was true.

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I own a gun thank you, so I'm hardly anti 2nd ammendment, but common sense is also important

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

In certain parts of Idaho perhaps that idea would work but it would not work very well in the middle of a large urban school district.

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Sure it would

Americanism 101 could work in any part of America

Never too late

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Luther said:

Sure it would

Americanism 101 could work in any part of America

Never too late

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Do you spend a lot of time in the larger US cities or are you a homebody?

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

Do you spend a lot of time in the larger US cities or are you a homebody?

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I didn't know that the people in inner cities are not American

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Luther said:

I didn't know that the people in inner cities are not American

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That's actually a convenient way of you saying that anyone who does not wholly and completely agree with your values is unamerican, and your feeble attempt at putting a jacket on me failed pathetically.
And that's about what I expect from Idaho.
I remember another person from Idaho who used to be seen here who expressed much the same thing.

I just don't know what to tell you, except that if you're struggling with the notion that this gigantic nation has certain amounts of diversity on all levels, maybe you're in the right place.

Notice that I did not disparage your idea.
In fact, I think it's always a great idea to have several trusted, highly trained and vetted personnel be ready if needed to answer an armed threat with an armed response.
If they can demonstrate that they take this responsibility very seriously, it's an excellent way to prepare.
I just have an issue with the way the Idaho school district model is implemented if used in a larger setting.

For instance:
That school district chose to publicize the fact that they are armed.
Sorry, very dumb idea in most large urban school districts.
Never EVER publicize ANYTHING of that nature.
Think operational security.
Parents and students have every right to know the policy and they should expect a good level of transparency about it however the issue of public signage is where the Idaho model fails in big cities and that is because criminal street gangs will view every school as an armory that they can access to get at the weapons.

It also means that, in large urban school districts, police would face a very confusing and difficult to navigate maze of professional law enforcement and armed teachers who are essentially armed civilian volunteers.
In urban school districts we simply have school police departments.
Some work well and some need improvement.

Sorry but I just happen to believe that the Idaho model would be extremely difficult to implement in a large urban setting.
I am not against the Idaho school district doing what they felt they had to, not at all.
I am a gun owner, by the way.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

That's actually a convenient way of you saying that anyone who does not wholly and completely agree with your values is unamerican, and your feeble attempt at putting a jacket on me failed pathetically.
And that's about what I expect from Idaho.
I remember another person from Idaho who used to be seen here who expressed much the same thing.

I just don't know what to tell you, except that if you're struggling with the notion that this gigantic nation has certain amounts of diversity on all levels, maybe you're in the right place.

Notice that I did not disparage your idea.
In fact, I think it's always a great idea to have several trusted, highly trained and vetted personnel be ready if needed to answer an armed threat with an armed response.
If they can demonstrate that they take this responsibility very seriously, it's an excellent way to prepare.
I just have an issue with the way the Idaho school district model is implemented if used in a larger setting.

For instance:
That school district chose to publicize the fact that they are armed.
Sorry, very dumb idea in most large urban school districts.
Never EVER publicize ANYTHING of that nature.
Think operational security.
Parents and students have every right to know the policy and they should expect a good level of transparency about it however the issue of public signage is where the Idaho model fails in big cities and that is because criminal street gangs will view every school as an armory that they can access to get at the weapons.

It also means that, in large urban school districts, police would face a very confusing and difficult to navigate maze of professional law enforcement and armed teachers who are essentially armed civilian volunteers.
In urban school districts we simply have school police departments.
Some work well and some need improvement.

Sorry but I just happen to believe that the Idaho model would be extremely difficult to implement in a large urban setting.
I am not against the Idaho school district doing what they felt they had to, not at all.
I am a gun owner, by the way.

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police would face a very confusing and difficult to navigate maze of professional law enforcement and armed teachers who are essentially armed civilian volunteers.

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Wrong..... that's what training is for

In urban school districts we simply have school police departments.

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Which do a vain job

ClaraD said:

I own a gun thank you, so I'm hardly anti 2nd ammendment, but common sense is also important

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Do you understand what the 2nd Amendment actually says and why it was put into the Constitution as a right? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't put there to protect the right to hunt deer or quail. It also wasn't put there only for personal protection against home intruders.

Cougarbear said:

Do you understand what the 2nd Amendment actually says and why it was put into the Constitution as a right? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't put there to protect the right to hunt deer or quail. It also wasn't put there only for personal protection against home intruders.

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I don't care what you think it says because felons, and mentally incompetent are 2 disqualifying factors in owning a weapon

ClaraD said:

I don't care what you think it says because felons, and mentally incompetent are 2 disqualifying factors in owning a weapon

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Again, do you understand what the 2nd Amendment actually says? And, why it's in the Constitution? Yes, there can be some restrictions. Some people should not be able to have guns. But, that's not what this is about. So, try again.

Cougarbear said:

Again, do you understand what the 2nd Amendment actually says? And, why it's in the Constitution? Yes, there can be some restrictions. Some people should not be able to have guns. But, that's not what this is about. So, try again.

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actually, that is precisely what this is about. Children should not own guns, correct? Is the person in question old enough to own a weapon? Aren't parents responsible for what their chidlren do? Again, if they are....parents should be charged when these shootings occur....especially, if the child had a weapon with their knowledge. Can you show me how red flag laws are not constitutional? Would you really advocate for a child abuser or a person that is a danger to his family, because he beats his wife and children, to have a gun?