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Bill Taylor dropped a bombshell in his impeachment hearing opening statement

Threegoofs said:
Jim Jordan is a stupid man’s idea of a smart man, much like Trump is an incompetent mans idea of a competent one.
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Jim Jordan is the Judge Judy of congress -- all show and no substance.

And I've never met a Trump-asslicker that doesn't love/watch Judy Judy.

Remember when your parents told you that TV would rot your brain? They were right. We now have a reality-TV idiot in the WH.

TV-generation in full force.

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W_Heisenberg said:
Here's the thing...neither Trump nor his supporters can elucidate a logical foreign policy rationale that justifies Trump's actions with respect to Ukraine.

It makes no sense to not help Ukraine. It makes less sense to only help Ukraine if they help Trump in his election. And Trump's actions make even lesser sense given the fact that Trump signed the bill providing aid to Ukraine.
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Democrats reject the court case findings of Ukrainian interference in the US 2016 election on Hillary's behalf, and they reject reports of democrat corruption with dirty Ukrainian oligarchs, and seem completely ignorant of democrat involvement with Ukrainian elections using US taxpayer funds. What a mess.

Democrats funded NGOs in Ukraine to promote philosophies and ideals of leftist democrats and to influence Ukrainian elections towards those democrat goals. Sort of like how Obama sent a team of lawyers and professionals at American taxpayer expense to fight against Netanyahu in the Israeli election in 2015.
 
marke said:
Democrats funded NGOs in Ukraine to promote philosophies and ideals of leftist democrats and to influence Ukrainian elections towards those democrat goals.
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This is basically Russian propaganda, Marke. You are parroting Russian propaganda.

You are basically criticizing organizations that promote free and fair elections, an independent judiciary, good governance, and a rules-based capitalist economic model. Everything the Russian government hates. And everything the United States has stood for in Europe since the end of WWII.

If you want to know what it's like to live in a thugocracy, move to Russia...that is of course...assuming you aren't already living in Russia.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This is basically Russian propaganda, Marke. You are parroting Russian propaganda.

You are basically criticizing organizations that promote free and fair elections, an independent judiciary, good governance, and a rules-based capitalist economic model. Everything the Russian government hates. And everything the United States has stood for in Europe since the end of WWII.

If you want to know what it's like to live in a thugocracy, move to Russia...that is of course...assuming you aren't already living in Russia.
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No, leftist democrats do not support conservative values in foreign nations and more than they support conservative values here. When Bill Taylor referred to Trump's "irregular channel" in foreign diplomacy he was referring to conservative policies as opposed to the "regular channels" favored by Obama and leftists like Yovanovich.
 
marke said:
No, leftist democrats do not support conservative values in foreign nations and more than they support conservative values here. When Bill Taylor referred to Trump's "irregular channel" in foreign diplomacy he was referring to conservative policies as opposed to the "regular channels" favored by Obama and leftists like Yovanovich.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This is basically Russian propaganda, Marke. You are parroting Russian propaganda.

You are basically criticizing organizations that promote free and fair elections, an independent judiciary, good governance, and a rules-based capitalist economic model. Everything the Russian government hates. And everything the United States has stood for in Europe since the end of WWII.

If you want to know what it's like to live in a thugocracy, move to Russia...that is of course...assuming you aren't already living in Russia.
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Is @marke a Russian bot?

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Atomic Kid said:
Oh definitely they have one, if there ever was one. This is the very thing the founding fathers were thinking of when they put that clause into the constitution.
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Do you think they will let us know what it is any time soon?
 
Marine Electric said:
I'm sure Sean Hannity forgot to tell you but uh, bribery is an impeachable offense.

So is witness tampering and obstruction of justice.
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Wow, bribery. That's pretty serious. So, who is buying off the President? He's a billionaire, by the way. And, of course, they'll need some pretty solid evidence of him being bribed. I won't hold my breath waiting for that one, LOL!
 
Anthony60 said:
Do you think they will let us know what it is any time soon?
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They already have. Pay attention. They're now in the process of fleshing it all out. Had Trump been been living in the late 1700's -early !800's the founding fathers would supported his impeachment in a heartbeat. No second thoughts about it whatsoever.
 
Atomic Kid said:
They already have. Pay attention. They're now in the process of fleshing it all out. Had Trump been been living in the late 1700's -early !800's the founding fathers would supported his impeachment in a heartbeat. No second thoughts about it whatsoever.
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You are quite uniformed if you think that the founding fathers would have supported this perversion of the impeachment power and the Democrats turning into a political weapon. Exactly what they didn’t want it to be. And of course, they still haven’t shown that the President did anything impeachable.


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Threegoofs said:
Jim Jordan is a stupid man’s idea of a smart man, much like Trump is an incompetent mans idea of a competent one.
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You're on the losing side, better switch parties while you can. Schifty is running about with sever screws loose.
 
Atomic Kid said:
They already have. Pay attention. They're now in the process of fleshing it all out. Had Trump been been living in the late 1700's -early !800's the founding fathers would supported his impeachment in a heartbeat. No second thoughts about it whatsoever.
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:lamo :lamo
 
marke said:
Yes. All calls and emails between Americans and Ukrainians from 2014 until now. Let's get all the facts out where we can see them. After all, Trump supplied Mueller with more than a million documents when he was trying to find some evidence of Trump/Russian collusion.
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Don't mislead us into the false narrative that the Trump team was so transparent. Trump's people used encrypted messaging apps that also delete conversation histories over a period of time. Apps like Signal and WhatsApp are popular for this exact reason -- you can communicate securely and wipe any trace after the fact. Why do you think a campaign needed these apps if they weren't trying to hide something? From the report:

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated-including some associated with the Trump Campaign — deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
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American said:
You're on the losing side, better switch parties while you can. Schifty is running about with sever screws loose.
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It's interesting that Republicans have painted as a vindictive villain, Adam Schiff, the House Democrat who -- though like every human being makes occasional missteps -- has run a fair, rigorous impeachment inquiry.

As we can see above, they have even adopted the sophomoric Trump tactic of making fun of his name.
 
MTAtech said:
It's interesting that Republicans have painted as a vindictive villain, Adam Schiff, the House Democrat who -- though like every human being makes occasional missteps -- has run a fair, rigorous impeachment inquiry.

As we can see above, they have even adopted the sophomoric Trump tactic of making fun of his name.
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There's nothing fair about his secret basement hearings.
 
MTAtech said:
Don't mislead us into the false narrative that the Trump team was so transparent. Trump's people used encrypted messaging apps that also delete conversation histories over a period of time. Apps like Signal and WhatsApp are popular for this exact reason -- you can communicate securely and wipe any trace after the fact. Why do you think a campaign needed these apps if they weren't trying to hide something? From the report:
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Democrat assessment: 'Dirty crooked Trump must be trying to hide something because he put a stop to the unlawful leaking of classified government secrets by Trump-hating ingrates within his own administration. Furthermore, the cad president showed uncommon hatred for women by suggesting Hillary was trying to hide something when she destroyed 30,000 emails under congressional subpoena.'
 
MTAtech said:
It's interesting that Republicans have painted as a vindictive villain, Adam Schiff, the House Democrat who -- though like every human being makes occasional missteps -- has run a fair, rigorous impeachment inquiry.

As we can see above, they have even adopted the sophomoric Trump tactic of making fun of his name.
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We'll see who has been fair and/or not fair when the Schitff circus is moved to the Senate for judgment.
 
Anthony60 said:
Wow, bribery. That's pretty serious. So, who is buying off the President? He's a billionaire, by the way. And, of course, they'll need some pretty solid evidence of him being bribed. I won't hold my breath waiting for that one, LOL!
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Is he a billionaire? I know he lost over a billion dollars because he's a really crappy businessman, actually the worst in US history, no single individual has lost more money. And I know he would be a billionaire if he didn't blow the money his daddy left him.

As far as the bribery -- you should keep up with what Crooked Donald is doing as president - he's about to be impeached for bribing the president of Ukraine. It's all over the news, check it out - but pick an unbiased source.

:lamo
 
W_Heisenberg said:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Is there some reason you don't scrutinize Democratic Policies and actions like you do Republicans? Biased, partisan rhetoric and hatred don't win court cases
 
American said:
There's nothing fair about his secret basement hearings.
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Kent, Taylor, and Yovanovitch's testimonies last week were all conducted in public.

This week we will see public hearings for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Jennifer Williams, Kurt Volker, Tim Morrison, Gordon Sondland, Laura Cooper, David Hale, and Fiona Hill.

You're going to have to ask Hannity and Limbaugh for a new set of talking points to parrot.
 
Obscurity said:
Sworn testimony is evidence.
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Indeed it is, but hearsay is not. The only time hearsay can be used as actual evidence is in a defamation suit, and a perjury case... and not in the way you hope.
 
Conservative said:
Is there some reason you don't scrutinize Democratic Policies and actions like you do Republicans? Biased, partisan rhetoric and hatred don't win court cases
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There's nothing partisan about American values, the same values which have formed the foundation of modern, western civilization since the end of WWII. Free and fair elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people, often based upon a written constitution.

The people who hold the view that these are somehow "leftist" values are fascist bullies and jerks who would probably feel more at home in Hitler's Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Fascist Italy, Stalin's Soviet Union, and Kim Jong-un's North Korea.

It is a shame your parents and your community apparently failed to teach you traditional American values. It's time you for you to learn:

John Locke - Online Library of Liberty

I would begin with The Two Treatises of Civil Government.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Kent, Taylor, and Yovanovitch's testimonies last week were all conducted in public.

This week we will see public hearings for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Jennifer Williams, Kurt Volker, Tim Morrison, Gordon Sondland, Laura Cooper, David Hale, and Fiona Hill.

You're going to have to ask Hannity and Limbaugh for a new set of talking points to parrot.
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They were all destroyed in public. They have all testified to their fears and assumptions of a maybe crime that never happened.

You can tell that it is going terribly for the Dmeocrats because their narrative is changing by the minute...

"It's quid pro quo!... I mean extortion!... I mean a bribe!... I mean..." :roll:

All while desperately trying to silence any talk about how this whole investigation started in the first place.

Schiff is a lying sack of ****, and he will go down in history as this generation's Joseph McCarthy.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
There's nothing partisan about American values, the same values which have formed the foundation of modern, western civilization since the end of WWII. Free and fair elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people, often based upon a written constitution.

The people who hold the view that these are somehow "leftist" values are fascist bullies and jerks who would probably feel more at home in Hitler's Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Fascist Italy, Stalin's Soviet Union, and Kim Jong-un's North Korea.

It is a shame your parents and your community apparently failed to teach you traditional American values. It's time you for you to learn:

John Locke - Online Library of Liberty

I would begin with The Two Treatises of Civil Government.
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What exactly are your values, liberalism creating massive dependence or the free market creating personal wealth? You people claim to care about the rule of law then whey don't you care about Freedom of Speech and Innocent until Proven guilty? Why the 24/7 attacks on a President who has done nothing to hurt you, your family, or the country as the actual results show?
 
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