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Bill Taylor dropped a bombshell in his impeachment hearing opening statement

marke said:
Democrat bias: 'Anti-Trump radical democrat partisan hack whistleblower = good, honest, reliable, believable, intelligent, patriotic, and so forth, not because anyone knows who he is but because all democrat propagandist say so.'

Further democrat bias: 'Trump has done nothing but evil since he got elected and, even though he has escaped being impeached for over two dozen different crimes, he will be impeached this time with or without a crime because that is what the American people want.'
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*yawn* and *yawn*
 
marke said:
Democrat bias: 'Anti-Trump radical democrat partisan hack whistleblower = good, honest, reliable, believable, intelligent, patriotic, and so forth, not because anyone knows who he is but because all democrat propagandist say so.'

Further democrat bias: 'Trump has done nothing but evil since he got elected and, even though he has escaped being impeached for over two dozen different crimes, he will be impeached this time with or without a crime because that is what the American people want.'
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You really have to stop calling people who don't agree with you "radicals". And they have to stop doing the same thing to you.

Grow up. All of you.
 
Nalu said:
You really have to stop calling people who don't agree with you "radicals". And they have to stop doing the same thing to you.

Grow up. All of you.
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Sorry when someone chooses to try force their religious beliefs on me they have opened themselves to my my response.

I feel the same way when they come knocking on my door, I didn't bother them, but they are sure as hell gonna know they bothered me.

I have had more than one "have you heard the good news" person leave my doorstep in tears questioning their faith...
 
GDViking said:
Sorry when someone chooses to try force their religious beliefs on me they have opened themselves to my my response.

I feel the same way when they come knocking on my door, I didn't bother them, but they are sure as hell gonna know they bothered me.

I have had more than one "have you heard the good news" person leave my doorstep in tears questioning their faith...
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Not sure what to say to that.

I don't like to be bothered at home. Preachy people show up here just as frequently as that pushy lady who wants to replace all my windows and doors and the college students who want to make sure I vote. I don't make any of them cry, but they know when they leave that showing up on my doorstep unannounced is not going to get them anywhere.
 
Nalu said:
Not sure what to say to that.

I don't like to be bothered at home. Preachy people show up here just as frequently as that pushy lady who wants to replace all my windows and doors and the college students who want to make sure I vote. I don't make any of them cry, but they know when they leave that showing up on my doorstep unannounced is not going to get them anywhere.
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Oh anyone trying to make a living I politely send on their way, I have spent years knocking doors making a living myself.

I have even pulled the stunt where I got my ass chewed at the front door, waited a minute and went to the back door and said to the same guy that I sure hoped he was friendlier than the guy guy I met at The front door.

But when it comes to pushing religion, I have no time for it...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, it supports my "claim".
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I repeatedly asked you for a quote from the transcript that explicitly supports your claim of seeking help with the 2020 election and you still haven't produced it.
If you could've you would've.
You can't so you didn't.
 
Visbek said:
Whatever dude



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News flash! BOTH parties are moving to the extremes. Did you somehow fail to notice that the hard right has spent decades driving moderates out of the Republican Party, by deriding them as RINOS and primarying anyone who isn't extreme right? Egads.



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Hello? McFly? My point is that it is wrong to classify every conservative as a crypto-fascist.



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Spare us your biased nonsense. Communism largely belly up 30 years ago, and before then plenty of Democrats spent plenty of time and effort opposing it. (Not to mention that some Republicans openly coddled it, such as Nixon reaching out to China in 1972.)

Since unlike you I actually understand what Communism is, I will be happy to explain exactly what is wrong with Communism -- that is, as soon as you decry the way that the hard right exploits racism, coddles white supremacists, and otherwise marginalizes minorities purely for electoral gain. Lemme help you out:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, n*****.”
- Lee Atwater, Republican campaign consultant, 1981
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There you go again. Vacillating. You're all over the place. Focus, man. Wipe the spittle of the keyboard and focus.
Explain what's wrong with Communism and Socialism and why it's dangerous for the Democratics to lurch so obviously leftward toward it this election.
 
Oborosen said:
So you're already desperate enough to simple just say that I'm a cultist. Yet we can see that these people have no real knowledge of what is being reported. Hell, barely any of them even had direct contact with Trump. It's their assumption, and nothing more.

You can bet your ass that I don't trust any of it. After over three years of the man being lied about repeatedly, and attacked over some of the most silly things. I can bet that it's most likely going to be an outright lie, and I don't care that Trump is willingly trying to fight back against such things. Because I would fight back against someone attacking me over fraudulent reasons as well.

But you can stay being that desperate, as that position suits you, and just like 2016, lets see exactly where acting like that is going to get you.
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Do you support Trump complying with subpoenas by allowing White House officials with first-hand knowledge of the events to testify under oath and submitting to Congress the documents Congress requested?
 
bubbabgone said:
I repeatedly asked you for a quote from the transcript that explicitly supports your claim of seeking help with the 2020 election and you still haven't produced it.
If you could've you would've.
You can't so you didn't.
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You are creating a strawman, I never said Trump explicitly stated in the transcript that he was seeking help for 2020. That was your claim, along with the contention that there was no pressure on Zelensky. I have clearly laid out that there was pressure via the bribery and the withholding of funding....and that any sentient being can understand that the massive efforts by Trump to get Ukraine to announce and begin an investigation into Joe started AFTER Joe announced his candidacy.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You are creating a strawman, I never said Trump explicitly stated in the transcript that he was seeking help for 2020. That was your claim, along with the contention that there was no pressure on Zelensky. I have clearly laid out that there was pressure via the bribery and the withholding of funding....and that any sentient being can understand that the massive efforts by Trump to get Ukraine to announce and begin an investigation into Joe started AFTER Joe announced his candidacy.
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Good. Then we can expect you never to claim anything about Trump's personal gain in the transcript again.

Now that's over, see ya.
 
bubbabgone said:
Good. Then we can expect you never to claim anything about Trump's personal gain in the transcript again.

Now that's over, see ya.
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I'll keep making the same point, the transcript clearly shows Trumps solicitation and bribery violations and shows his effort to smear Joe, his top political rival.

I would suggest you don't make false claims about what I said, it is really bad form.
 
marke said:
Investigators have uncovered the fact that the whistleblower met with Schiftt's staff long before ever blowing the whistle. So I would ask the whistleblower who told him about the phone call he never heard.
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It does not change the relevant fact that the phone call did take place and that aid was delayed. It is out in the open and it makes zero difference who or why brought it to light. Guilt does not depend on who discovers that crime or why.
 
marke said:
Why are democrat demons trying to hide the whistleblower now that it has been discovered he met with Schiftt's staff long before he blew the whistle?
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LOL! They've been quite open about that. He contacted Schiff's staff and his staff followed the letter of the law: they advised him to immediately retain councel.

Why do you hate the rule of law?
 
Logician Man said:
NOPE. It's because the bully POTUS has threatened the whistleblower, called him derogatory names, and tried to demean/dismiss his love and concern for the USA's national security....try again with some factual material.
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Schiftt is either now trying to hide his star whistleblowing witness because Trump is bullying him or Schitff is now desperately trying to hide him because investigating journalists found out that the whistling blower is a deeply connected Trump-hating former Obama official who met with Schiftt's staff long before blowing his 3rd hand opinionated whistle.
 
GDViking said:
I thought lying was one of the commandments.

Biden was not under investigabtion, that is a flat out lie, just as that any investigation was stopped as none was happening...
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Biden was not under investigation before, but that may no longer be the case now that John Durham has opened up a criminal probe into corruption within the American government.
 
GDViking said:
Nothing to say, Kent covered it all. And no bidens were involved...
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Kent said he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety that Hunter's presence on the board of a corrupt Ukrainian gas company presented to the world.
 
GDViking said:
Um it appears trump called him...
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We might need to find out why Trump was calling a guy on his private unsecured phone and why the guy didn't tell Trump he was on an unsecured phone.

Has nobody learned anything from Hillary's mistakes in that regard?
 
Nalu said:
You really have to stop calling people who don't agree with you "radicals". And they have to stop doing the same thing to you.

Grow up. All of you.
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Dfinition of radical: Bill Ayers bragging about bombing federal buildings and encouraging others to engage in similar violent acts of civil disobedience.
 
GDViking said:
Sorry when someone chooses to try force their religious beliefs on me they have opened themselves to my my response.

I feel the same way when they come knocking on my door, I didn't bother them, but they are sure as hell gonna know they bothered me.

I have had more than one "have you heard the good news" person leave my doorstep in tears questioning their faith...
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I've had religious cultists leave my house in tears, shaking off their boots as they condemned me when retreating.
 
bubbabgone said:
There you go again. Vacillating. You're all over the place. Focus, man. Wipe the spittle of the keyboard and focus.
Explain what's wrong with Communism and Socialism and why it's dangerous for the Democratics to lurch so obviously leftward toward it this election.
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Want to see what is wrong with communism? Study North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China and other oppressed nations. Communism does not bring joy and freedom, it brings power to the few who brutally oppress the many.

Of course those who thirst for power and control in a socialist government system are in favor of socialism, but their motives are evil and their understanding is flawed. Carl Rowan ranted for years against gun owners and gun rights in DC, but when he was arrested for using his illegal unregistered gun to shoot a black youth in his swimming pool he claimed he had a right to defend his property. He was for government control of others but not for government control over himself.
 
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W_Heisenberg said:
Do you support Trump complying with subpoenas by allowing White House officials with first-hand knowledge of the events to testify under oath and submitting to Congress the documents Congress requested?
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Not if the charges are bogus and the show trial is Schiftt-faced. Flynn was framed and convicted for telling a harmless 'lie' about a legal conversation that made not the slightest hill of beans in the business of world diplomacy. Stone was framed and charged with obstructing an investigation that turned out to be bogus. Mueller indicted 6 Russians and two ham sandwiches on charges he never intends to argue in court.

No. Schitff refuses to conduct his Schitff-Show legally so Trump should tell him to go find somebody else to help him perform his clown act.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I'll keep making the same point, the transcript clearly shows Trumps solicitation and bribery violations and shows his effort to smear Joe, his top political rival.

I would suggest you don't make false claims about what I said, it is really bad form.
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Two Ukrainians have already been convicted in court of working with the American DNC to dig up dirt on Trump in an effort to help Hillary in 2016. We will probably be hearing more about this after Barr and Durham finish their criminal investigations.
 
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