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[W:216, 238]Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

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ludin said:
now you are simply splitting hairs. you either have the full email or we don't have the full email.
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when i am attempting to persuade, i point out the text which supports the point i am attempting to make. adding extraneous material does not aid my efforts to persuade

whether you take out of context it means that it was doctored.
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and that gives breitbart and miller the opportunity to respond with an explanation what was the intended context rather what had been presented

people do it here all the time when they refuse to use the quote button properly and hack someone's post apart to make it look like it says something else.
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like this? responding to your exact words. i thought your argument was that too little text was being shared. now you find it to be inappropriate for your exact words to be presented exactly as you wrote them when you cannot sustain your stated position in a debate

if you only release a paragraph of an email of what you want to release then you have doctored the email.
there is no difference between the two of them and as typical you are getting off topic.
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and you - like miller and breitbart - have the opportunity to respond and point out any misrepresentation believed to have been presented

if the SPLC can't release the full emails in their entirety then they are doctored and a false narrative.
and they should not be taken seriously because they cannot be honest.
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your side won't read the entirety of the 900 emails just like they will not read the Mueller Report or the ukraine shakedown report. a writer presents their side; that writer is under no obligation to also present the alternative view. that is the purview of the holders of that alternative view
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Apples to oranges, man. An unedited audio tape is an entirely different animal. But don't you worry. You're going to see plenty more of Mr Miller's emails in verbatim in addition to those appearing in this article. This is just the first of a planned series of them.
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sorry unlike leftist i prefer facts and given the lies that the SPLC have stated and their dishonest tactics i tend to no
take anything that they say seriously.

Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review
 
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dobieg said:
I stopped reading after I saw this.

report published by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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I mean, honestly.
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You should have more respect for the people who have put white nationalist organizations out-of-business by representing victims in court in successful lawsuits to the tune of millions of dollars.
 
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justabubba said:
when i am attempting to persuade, i point out the text which supports the point i am attempting to make. adding extraneous material does not aid my efforts to persuade


and that gives breitbart and miller the opportunity to respond with an explanation what was the intended context rather what had been presented

like this? responding to your exact words. i thought your argument was that too little text was being shared. now you find it to be inappropriate for your exact words to be presented exactly as you wrote them when you cannot sustain your stated position in a debate


and you - like miller and breitbart - have the opportunity to respond and point out any misrepresentation believed to have been presented


your side won't read the entirety of the 900 emails just like they will not read the Mueller Report or the ukraine shakedown report. a writer presents their side; that writer is under no obligation to also present the alternative view. that is the purview of the holders of that alternative view
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Just curious, are you talking about journalism, or op-ed writers?
 
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sjmay said:
Absolutely....my question is this....do you wait until the series is done before you string him up....or can we do it right now?
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From what we have already seen from Mr Miller. I think you can fully expect that this is only going get worse. Not better. The wisest course of action for this administration would normally be to cut this cancer loose before the upcoming election year. But they probably won't because Trump believes he has to cater to this part of the far right that makes up his base or he will lose them. Problem is though doing so would likely not allow for growing it either.
 
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Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

justabubba said:
when i am attempting to persuade, i point out the text which supports the point i am attempting to make. adding extraneous material does not aid my efforts to persuade


and that gives breitbart and miller the opportunity to respond with an explanation what was the intended context rather what had been presented

like this? responding to your exact words. i thought your argument was that too little text was being shared. now you find it to be inappropriate for your exact words to be presented exactly as you wrote them when you cannot sustain your stated position in a debate


and you - like miller and breitbart - have the opportunity to respond and point out any misrepresentation believed to have been presented


your side won't read the entirety of the 900 emails just like they will not read the Mueller Report or the ukraine shakedown report. a writer presents their side; that writer is under no obligation to also present the alternative view. that is the purview of the holders of that alternative view
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The SPLC has a history of labeling people things that they are not.
Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review

Sorry i read the mueller report it was as we had been saying for years no evidence and trump was clear of any wrongdoing.
I read the ukraine transcript it said the same thing no quid pro quo.

if that writer can't write with honesty, ethics, and integrity then what they are writing isn't worth reading.
 
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ludin said:
sorry unlike leftist i prefer facts and given the lies that the SPLC have stated and their dishonest tactics i tend to no
take anything that they say seriously.

Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review
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If you think the National Review is unbiased I've got news for you. They aren't. So where does that put us? Back to who authored those emails. That's where.
 
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MTAtech said:
You should have more respect for the people who have put white nationalist organizations out-of-business by representing victims in court in successful lawsuits to the tune of millions of dollars.
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Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review


you mean these people?

Any organization that labels Ayaan Hirsi Ali — the extraordinary Somali-American woman who devotes her life to fighting for oppressed women, especially in the Islamic world — an “extremist,” as the SPLC has done, is not a moral organization. No wonder it just agreed to pay Muslim reformer Maajid Nawaz $3.4 million and issued a retraction for smearing him as an “anti-Muslim extremist.”

or this organization?

Now the SPLC has placed an article about PragerU on its “Hatewatch” blog. It never actually accuses PragerU of “hate” because even it can’t substantiate such a charge. In over 300 videos, it could not find a single sentence countenancing hate or bigotry, so it simply describes two articles by outsiders about PragerU, knowing the dirty work will be accomplished via implication.

Only a very careful reader will discern that PragerU has never had any connection whatsoever to Molyneux or any “extreme right content.” All Tripodi and the SPLC could write is that Google has “algorithmically connected” PragerU to such content.

Needless to say, PragerU has no power over how Google algorithmically connects anything

Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin made a video for PragerU titled “Why I Left the Left.” He is a very popular liberal video podcaster, and the fact that he is a gay Jewish liberal who left the Left disturbs the SPLC.

Now, do you know any gay Jewish liberals who support white nationalists? I doubt it.

what they did is similar to what people accuse ben shapiro of being which is a white nationalist even though he was the number 1 target of white nationalist lmao.
this is the stupidity of leftists.

no i don't respect an organization that abandons their founding principles to engage in this type of hate smear.
 
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ludin said:
Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review


you mean these people?

Any organization that labels Ayaan Hirsi Ali — the extraordinary Somali-American woman who devotes her life to fighting for oppressed women, especially in the Islamic world — an “extremist,” as the SPLC has done, is not a moral organization. No wonder it just agreed to pay Muslim reformer Maajid Nawaz $3.4 million and issued a retraction for smearing him as an “anti-Muslim extremist.”

or this organization?

Now the SPLC has placed an article about PragerU on its “Hatewatch” blog. It never actually accuses PragerU of “hate” because even it can’t substantiate such a charge. In over 300 videos, it could not find a single sentence countenancing hate or bigotry, so it simply describes two articles by outsiders about PragerU, knowing the dirty work will be accomplished via implication.

Only a very careful reader will discern that PragerU has never had any connection whatsoever to Molyneux or any “extreme right content.” All Tripodi and the SPLC could write is that Google has “algorithmically connected” PragerU to such content.

Needless to say, PragerU has no power over how Google algorithmically connects anything

Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin made a video for PragerU titled “Why I Left the Left.” He is a very popular liberal video podcaster, and the fact that he is a gay Jewish liberal who left the Left disturbs the SPLC.

Now, do you know any gay Jewish liberals who support white nationalists? I doubt it.

what they did is similar to what people accuse ben shapiro of being which is a white nationalist even though he was the number 1 target of white nationalist lmao.
this is the stupidity of leftists.

no i don't respect an organization that abandons their founding principles to engage in this type of hate smear.
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Lmao, Rave Dubin? Liberal? Bahahhahahahaha.

Market of ideas guy? I bet you think Ben Cuckpiro just destroys them liberals, don't you?





Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
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dobieg said:
I stopped reading after I saw this.




I mean, honestly.
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You should be comforted about your post because a guy calling himself American Nationalist liked your post.
 
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ludin said:
sure there are there is plenty of things that could have been said we don't know. don't you think it is important to have all information and all facts?
if not then you are just the typical leftist and well we can just dismiss what you have to say.

you are either a liberal/conservative that upholds facts, evidence and due process can be respected and hold actual conversations

or you are a leftist and simply believe that accusations = guilt and that there is no presumption of innocence and that the person being accused must prove
themselves innocent contrary to what is being said.

i will let you decide which you want to be.

until then until we have the full emails and the responses and what is being discussed i am going to write this off as another SPLC hit job
of which they are known for doing.

Southern Poverty Law Center: Hate Group for Liberals | National Review

here is a good article on how bad and how deceptive the SPLC is when it comes to the narrative that they love to try and create.
it really is how dishonest these people are in the fact that lost a 3.4 million dollar lawsuit for their defamation.

this is why no one should really take anything they say seriously.
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First of all, you're being disrespectful. "you either agree or you're a partisan liberal hack a****". Calm down.

Also, I never said ANYTHING about not wanting to wait for the rest of the e-mails. I said it from the get go, we must read it all. I just refuse to accept that unless we have 100%, we can't say anything more than 0%. That's just a cop out, because if it were a liberal, nobody would say anything.

Also, considering the attacks on the source, would it be fair for me to say that the National review is a joke, bunch of partisan hacks and not even read your article because their credibility is extremely low? How would that make you feel? That's what I'm saying.

2019 is the year of the lol emoji and (attack source). We can't discuss ideas anymore.

BTW, I was just giving a hypothetical. I will read your article. Thank you. Just calm down and please treat me with the respect I'm treating you. I guess you're used to liberals like the guy I criticized earlier who just attacks and offends, and your natural response is to attack back, but I was just giving an opinion.
 
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Hatuey said:
Lmao, Rave Dubin? Liberal? Bahahhahahahaha.

Market of ideas guy? I bet you think Ben Cuckpiro just destroys them liberals, don't you?





Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
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Its their life in an airtight bubble
 
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Atomic Kid said:
If you think the National Review is unbiased I've got news for you. They aren't. So where does that put us? Back to who authored those emails. That's where.
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Any organization that labels Ayaan Hirsi Ali — the extraordinary Somali-American woman who devotes her life to fighting for oppressed women, especially in the Islamic world — an “extremist,” as the SPLC has done, is not a moral organization. No wonder it just agreed to pay Muslim reformer Maajid Nawaz $3.4 million and issued a retraction for smearing him as an “anti-Muslim extremist.”

there is more than that.

sorry i am concerned with facts not your appeal to emotions.
leftist dismissal fallacies are no longer accepted.

the SPLC has been on record for their dishonest portrayal of labeling people hate groups.
Focus on the Family is not a hate group but the SPLC labeled it as such because it doesn't
to the line view of the SPLC.

sorry they don't get final word on what is or is not a hate group.
it doesn't get to throw their labels on people simply over a difference of opinion.
 
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poweRob said:
You should be comforted about your post because a guy calling himself American Nationalist liked your post.
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Umm, nothing wrong with nationalists. I mean, if you think about it, the only thing that was wrong with Hitler's nationalism, is that he wanted to expand it instead of exporting it.

Oh, and the whole killing of Jews thing, but we don't need to go into details. Do we?

Nationalism! For cucks far and wide.



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How about debating ideas instead of attacking sources and dismissing everything? It's impossible to debate nowadays. jesus..
 
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ettoremathedi said:
First of all, you're being disrespectful. "you either agree or you're a partisan liberal hack a****". Calm down.

Also, I never said ANYTHING about not wanting to wait for the rest of the e-mails. I said it from the get go, we must read it all. I just refuse to accept that unless we have 100%, we can't say anything more than 0%. That's just a cop out, because if it were a liberal, nobody would say anything.

Also, considering the attacks on the source, would it be fair for me to say that the National review is a joke, bunch of partisan hacks and not even read your article because their credibility is extremely low? How would that make you feel? That's what I'm saying.

2019 is the year of the lol emoji and (attack source). We can't discuss ideas anymore.

BTW, I was just giving a hypothetical. I will read your article. Thank you. Just calm down and please treat me with the respect I'm treating you. I guess you're used to liberals like the guy I criticized earlier who just attacks and offends, and your natural response is to attack back, but I was just giving an opinion.
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I have no problem with treating you with respect at all thank you for actually engaging in discussion and now we can move on.

I will wait for more evidence. i do not trust the SPLC as far as i can throw them.
If that was his actual stance and view then i would consider that an issue and trump needs to get rid of him.

he is a problem and could cause more problems later on.
 
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sjmay said:
Just curious, are you talking about journalism, or op-ed writers?
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anyone - even a student - who is trying be be persuasive with text
 
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poweRob said:
Its their life in an airtight bubble
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Rave Dubin, Candace Owens, #ColdFeetCrowder and Ben Cuckpiro are all fictional characters created by Shia LaBeouf to troll liberals.

The only difference being is the identity politics they claim to hate, while using their identity to sell books to stupid millenials who thinks it's edgy to control women that won't **** them.

Change my mind.





Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
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sjmay said:
No, I am saying I don't know Stephen Miller from anyone, so I want to see those emails in full, to make up my own mind.

Rather simple.
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You don't know who Stephen Miller is?
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Read his damn emails and then see if your conscience, if you have one, will still allow for you to continue to defend this infected human pile of manure, Stephen Miller.
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Don't hold your breath. Trump supporters are some of the greatest rationalizers on earth today.
 
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ludin said:
Any organization that labels Ayaan Hirsi Ali — the extraordinary Somali-American woman who devotes her life to fighting for oppressed women, especially in the Islamic world — an “extremist,” as the SPLC has done, is not a moral organization. No wonder it just agreed to pay Muslim reformer Maajid Nawaz $3.4 million and issued a retraction for smearing him as an “anti-Muslim extremist.”

there is more than that.

sorry i am concerned with facts not your appeal to emotions.
leftist dismissal fallacies are no longer accepted.

the SPLC has been on record for their dishonest portrayal of labeling people hate groups.
Focus on the Family is not a hate group but the SPLC labeled it as such because it doesn't
to the line view of the SPLC.

sorry they don't get final word on what is or is not a hate group.
it doesn't get to throw their labels on people simply over a difference of opinion.
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The only people that don't think Focus on the Family is a hate group are those bigots that believe gays and lesbians should be treated like second class citizens. If an organization argued that interracial marriage should be constitutionally banned, we would rightly call them a hate group. If an organization argued that blacks should not receive discrimination protections under the law, we would rightly call them a hate group. So why should we not call an organization a hate group that makes the same bigoted arguments about gays and lesbians?

10 Things You Should Know About Focus On The Family | Human Rights Campaign
 
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justabubba said:
anyone - even a student - who is trying be be persuasive with text
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Right, but what I am asking then I guess is, do you view journalism, as trying to be persuasive?
 
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trixare4kids said:
That's what she said too. :lol:
Did you miss the part where I said Comey had NO authority to make the decision not to prosecute? She clearly should have been prosecuted. (Ludin cited that law above in case you missed it).

Back to the thread topic...
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You don't remember that the AG partially recused herself and the Inspectors General's complaint about what Comey did was not about the findings of the investigation but about him going against DOJ policy of going beyond the simple announcement of a decision not to charge and instead offering up comments chastising her. An action the IG saw as being unfair to Ms Clinton. Imagine what would've happened if he had revealed that Trump the campaign was under investigation. Boy would you have screamed then.

You still have yet to get on the thread topic. Which is Stephen Miller's emails. Because it's inconvenient truth for you.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
You don't know who Stephen Miller is?
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Do I know who he is, yes, do I know him from Adam, no, do I claim to know his inner most thoughts, not at all,

There is a difference between knowing what position he holds, and KNOWING the person.
 
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ludin said:
Any organization that labels Ayaan Hirsi Ali — the extraordinary Somali-American woman who devotes her life to fighting for oppressed women, especially in the Islamic world — an “extremist,” as the SPLC has done, is not a moral organization. No wonder it just agreed to pay Muslim reformer Maajid Nawaz $3.4 million and issued a retraction for smearing him as an “anti-Muslim extremist.”

there is more than that.

sorry i am concerned with facts not your appeal to emotions.
leftist dismissal fallacies are no longer accepted.

the SPLC has been on record for their dishonest portrayal of labeling people hate groups.
Focus on the Family is not a hate group but the SPLC labeled it as such because it doesn't
to the line view of the SPLC.

sorry they don't get final word on what is or is not a hate group.
it doesn't get to throw their labels on people simply over a difference of opinion.
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Do you want to discuss Stephen Miller's emails or not? This is not about the SPLC, the National Review or Breitbart. It's about Stephen Miller.
 
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