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[W:216, 238]Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

Oborosen said:
You trying to argue substance?

Color me surprised, and then I'm more than willing to call that BS out, because you had to play along with Salon in the first place. It's an obvious hit piece and nothing more.

Hearsay and allegation, does not a case make. You need proof, and the article falls short by a mile.
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"Play along"? I gave you something to consider. I thought you were smart enough to peel away the bias to see the substance. I took away the bits that matter and researched them further. I was mistaken that you are capable of doing the same thing.

Just a head's up: I won't take you seriously when all you can do is bitch about who published whatever I give you to read. I am provided with and read copious truckloads of manure from awful sources, but I'm a critical enough consumer of information that I can discern an event or a fact or a statement that matters. You should practice that.

Lastly, I gave you lots of proof of Miller's racism. I mean, Oborosen, honestly, look at the OP. You claiming, for all the world to see, that the sentiments expressed in Miller's emails are not racist places your judgment in the bottom half inch of humanity in my humble opinion.
 
Nalu said:
So you don't like Salon and you don't like the Washington Examiner. Or is it just what they said that you don't like?

No matter. This is exactly why I didn't bother to spend more time giving you what I consider to be proof of racism. You won't ever agree that it is racist.

Now, as far as "baseless blather", "rage", "faux morality", and "mad" go, you're practicing projection. I suggest that if an internet board of anonymous strangers gets your blood pressure this high on a regular basis that you try gardening or bird watching or something.

I gave you proof. You won't accept it. I even addressed that disconnect. I'm not trying to change your mind nor will you ever change mine.
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No, I don't like it, because just saying someone is racist with no context, or no proof to back it up besides hearsay. Is pretty much a massive waste of time.
 
Oborosen said:
No, I don't like it, because just saying someone is racist with no context, or no proof to back it up besides hearsay. Is pretty much a massive waste of time.
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Let's try it this way. What "proof", in this case or in a different one, would cause you to think that something is racist?
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

truthatallcost said:
Actually, black and female employees have accused the leadership of the SPLC of practicing racism and sexism behind the scenes, if you're really interested, which I doubt you are. Morris Dees and Richard Cohen resigned their positions as the #1 & #2 most powerful figures at the SPLC earlier this year when they were finally confronted by a usually complicit media over the charges.
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Well, I wasn't expecting you as an ally, but hey, I'll take it. I'm talking about when Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK. Not just two people, but entire committees composed of national business and community leaders resigned in protest of Trump's public support of White Supremacists.

If two people constitute good evidence of wrongdoing, then you must agree two entire committees must constitute overwhelming evidence of such wrongdoing.

Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

Oborosen said:
News flash, he doesn't actually care.
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Excellent, another ally that won't try to hide the fact that Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK. Two entire presidential committees resigned. You will agree that if two people resigning mean something, two entire committees resigning means a lot more.

See post #354.
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

JustHanging said:
Excellent, another ally that won't try to hide the fact that Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK. Two entire presidential committees resigned. You will agree that if two people resigning mean something, two entire committees resigning means a lot more.

See post #354.
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You are a broken record, and you have no interest in actual truth, you just want to push your ideology forward at all costs...

I bet you believe Don Cherry is a racist as well lmao
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

sjmay said:
You are a broken record, and you have no interest in actual truth,
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I know, the truth is evil, reality is evil, we should all live in the fantasy bubble that Trump tells us about. Sorry, I don't swing that way. And the fact that Trump publicly supports Neo Nazis and the KKK likely affected his daughter's choice in husband, don't you think?

Also, as thread most clearly demonstrates, the only people intent on being a broken record are the people defending the White Supremacists and their supporters we're discussing in this thread. You can see their hypocrisy: 2 people resign SPLC, and it's sign of hate and bigotry. Two entire committees resign in protest of Trump publicly defending Neo Nazis, and it's something to be hidden under the rug.

Trump has made it crystal clear what type of people he thinks his base is composed of.

For Trump, appeals to white fears about race may be a tougher sell in 2020: Reuters/Ipsos poll - Reuters

Let's get back on topic: With such a racist father as Donald, Ivanka almost certainly grew up thinking supporting and defending White Supremacists was a normal thing to do. So no surprise she married a supporter of White Supremacists in Jared. Or do you think she didn't know her husband supported White Supremacists?
 
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JustHanging said:
No, as thread most clearly demonstrates, the only people intent on being a broken record are the people defending White Supremacists. You can see their hypocrisy: 2 people resign SPLC, and it's sign of hate and bigotry. Two entire committees resign in protest of Trump publicly defending Neo Nazis, and it's something to be hidden under the rug.

Look, we know who you defend, you've made that crystal clear. Same with the other Trump supporters, Trump has made it crystal clear what type of people he thinks they are. His main campaign strategy is to appeal to racists, surprise surprise.

For Trump, appeals to white fears about race may be a tougher sell in 2020: Reuters/Ipsos poll - Reuters

Let's get back on topic: Wish such a racist father, Ivanka almost certainly grew up thinking supporting and defending White Supremacists was a normal thing to do. So no surprise she married a support of White Supremacists in Jared. Or do you think she didn't know her husband supported White Supremacists?
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LMAO sorry, can't help it....

Let's get back on topic : THEN PROCEEDS TO BABBLE ON ABOUT SOMETHING OFF TOPIC.

It's ok bud, the cold is getting to you ain't it?
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

sjmay said:
LMAO sorry, can't help it....

Let's get back on topic : THEN PROCEEDS TO BABBLE ON ABOUT SOMETHING OFF TOPIC.

It's ok bud, the cold is getting to you ain't it?
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DOH! My bad. I thought this was the thread about Jared supporting White Supremacists. This is the thread about Miller supporting White Supremacists. LOL, the Trump's just surround themselves with White Supremacists and their defenders and supporters, don't they? It's actually hard to keep up there are so many around.

Let me ask you, are you surprised Trump, someone who publicly supports Neo Nazis, someone with such a long history of blatant racism, chose someone like Miller, who also supports White Supremacists?
 
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JustHanging said:
Um, you got your projection turned way up eh. I was on topic:
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Really? Cuz I could have swore this thread was about the artcile by SPLC and Stephen Miller.....damn......maybe...wait..no..it is, you weren't on topic.
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

JustHanging said:
Well, I wasn't expecting you as an ally, but hey, I'll take it. I'm talking about when Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK. Not just two people, but entire committees composed of national business and community leaders resigned in protest of Trump's public support of White Supremacists.
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They resigned because of the media's decision to turn one unfortunate death into a national headline story, which received wall-to-wall 24/7 coverage.

Left wing loons love to make the claim, "Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK", rather than accurately quoting what he said. Another fact that left wing loons omit from the story- the first violence at Charlottesville was committed by the left wing counter protestors, who vastly outnumbered the protestors who'd assembled to protest the removal of a statue from a park. Charlottesville was the fault of left wing zealots, including the mayor, who refused to do his job that day, not Trump.

If two people constitute good evidence of wrongdoing, then you must agree two entire committees must constitute overwhelming evidence of such wrongdoing.

Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest
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Sorry, but the 'entire' business advisory council didn't quit. Some remained with the council, until Trump decided to scrap it.
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

truthatallcost said:
They resigned because of the media's decision to turn one unfortunate death into a national headline story, which received wall-to-wall 24/7 coverage.

Left wing loons love to make the claim, "Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK", rather than accurately quoting what he said. Another fact that left wing loons omit from the story- the first violence at Charlottesville was committed by the left wing counter protestors, who vastly outnumbered the protestors who'd assembled to protest the removal of a statue from a park. Charlottesville was the fault of left wing zealots, including the mayor, who refused to do his job that day, not Trump.



Sorry, but the 'entire' business advisory council didn't quit. Some remained with the council, until Trump decided to scrap it.
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Sorry to inform you, that poster is no longer listening to rational facts and exchanging ideas about those facts....
 
Nalu said:
Let's try it this way. What "proof", in this case or in a different one, would cause you to think that something is racist?
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It actually being racist for one. There are definite qualifiers for something being racist, and someone just screaming "that's racist" is not a qualifiers.

All this hit piece can do, is peddle some sort of faux moral outrage. It still ran on the lie of the Russian collusion story, and that's been dead for more than a while now.
 
Imagine defending Stephen Miller.
 
Re: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

JustHanging said:
Excellent, another ally that won't try to hide the fact that Trump publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK. Two entire presidential committees resigned. You will agree that if two people resigning mean something, two entire committees resigning means a lot more.

See post #354.
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Alright, I'll bite. Show me where he publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK.

Quote & Link if you can manage.
 
sjmay said:
Since you lack in both, you are probably right.....

Sounds just as bad? Got it, so you believe the Pope was right? That the West, must get rid of borders?
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Not entirely. I do not believe a racist novel is a good way to illustrate a point of view that he’s wrong. Unless one is a racist.
 
uptower said:
Not entirely. I do not believe a racist novel is a good way to illustrate a point of view that he’s wrong. Unless one is a racist.
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The bolded part, yea, pretty much, but just referencing a novel, does not make one racist, does it?
 
Oborosen said:
It actually being racist for one. There are definite qualifiers for something being racist, and someone just screaming "that's racist" is not a qualifiers.

All this hit piece can do, is peddle some sort of faux moral outrage. It still ran on the lie of the Russian collusion story, and that's been dead for more than a while now.
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Try again. What "definite qualifiers" would cause you to think that something is racist?
 
Stephen Miller is no outlier. White supremacy rules the Republican party | Cas Mudde | Opinion | The Guardian

Republican voters made Trump the white-supremacist-in-chief. That’s why a resignation from Miller wouldn’t change much...

This week, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) published a bombshell article revealing troubling emails that White House senior policy advisor Stephen Miller sent to editors at Breitbart News, the far-right media outlet previously led by Steve Bannon. The emails, which were leaked by former Breitbart editor Katie McHugh and predate Miller’s period in the White House, show Miller’s obsession with immigration and his seemingly successful attempts to get Breitbart editors to write anti-immigration stories, some of which were based on openly white nationalist sources like American Renaissance and V-Dare...

In short, it is time for Democrats to face and name the ugly truth: the Grand Old Party is a party steeped in white supremacy. It is the basis of its electoral support and this will not change in the near future. By focusing on the most brazen examples, like Stephen Miller, Democrats strengthen the misguided belief that the Republican party is a good party with some bad apples. Ultimately, this will help the Republicans more than the Democrats.
 
Stephen Miller’s White Nationalism Is the Guiding Strategy of the Modern Republican Party

The e-mail exchange between McHugh and Miller was among a trove of over 900 messages analyzed in an exposé published this week by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). Among Miller's notes and calls are links to white nationalist websites, like VDARE and American Renaissance, and a recommendation for a French dystopian novel, The Camp of the Saints, popular among neo-Nazis, which depicts a rampaging mass of brown refugees literally eating feces and raping white women. Miller also repeatedly praised the immigration law endorsed by Adolph Hitler—in Mein Kampf, the Nazi leader praises the U.S. race-based Immigration Act of 1924, signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge. The leaks caused a stir. The news that Miller was trading in extremist white supremacist propaganda was—and should be—deeply disturbing. Ethnonationalism with a foothold in the White House is disheartening, but it's also not exactly new.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Imagine defending Stephen Miller.
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I can't. The guy is nuts. I think most (and I mean, way most) people would agree with that. Wouldn't it be easier to just sit this one out rather than try to explain and defend Miller? I don't get it.
 
sjmay said:
The bolded part, yea, pretty much, but just referencing a novel, does not make one racist, does it?
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Is that all Miller did now? The emails contain a slew of other examples and we have everything else he’s said and done in his career. Let’s not pretend this all hinges on one reference to a crappy book, just because that’s the example I chose from the list. The dude has a list longer than his boss’s stupid neckties.
 
uptower said:
Is that all Miller did now? The emails contain a slew of other examples and we have everything else he’s said and done in his career. Let’s not pretend this all hinges on one reference to a crappy book, just because that’s the example I chose from the list. The dude has a list longer than his boss’s stupid neckties.
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I've always said be wary of people whose normal speaking voice is shouting. I have a feeling Miller is hardcore into the furry scene. And Stark Trek conventions. Just a sneaking suspicion.
 
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