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The GOP's four defenses of Trump

Slavister said:
The first GOP defense is moot because it asserts the "call summary" shows there is no pressure from US side about Biden. Clearly, the pressure was there for anyone to read. Ukraine aid was predicated on a "favor" that US President asked for in response to Ukraine mentioning US aid and cooperation.
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Now you're just making stuff up. The only "favor" asked was for was that Ukraine look into 2016 election interference. There was no mention of foreign aid being delayed - no mention of foreign aid on the phone call whatsoever. Nice try.

Slavister said:
Source 1: Ukraine knew in early August

Source2: Ukraine knew in May - to - July

Source 3: already provided in OP - you can check Rachel's sources as well.
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The first source is behind a paywall, but I expect it's about as worthless as the second source - which provides zero evidence that "Ukraine knew in May to July." It only references a Washington Post article that says Zelensky and some unnamed Ukrainians were "concerned" in early September about why aid was being delayed. This was unconfirmed information coming from Democrat Senator Chris Murphy. Using your "black is white" logic, this is no evidence of anything.


Slavister said:
White House intervened to NOT deliver the aid until after public announcements by Ukraine about investigations. White House and others have been trying to find a legal way to delay it. Cooper testimony is very clear. The aid was released DESPITE the White House efforts and apparently without their knowledge and in only AFTER the corrupt scheme blew up in their face.
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Yeah, sorry. There was no need to "find a legal way to delay it" - it was already legal. The only requirement was that the aid be disbursed before the end of the fiscal year, which it was.
 
MTAtech said:
What can you say about people who believe the nonsense John Solomon writes?
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I laugh every time I see one of the Trump ass lickers use Solomon as some arbiter of facts. His musings are in the Opinion section for a reason. But he gets the rubes to believe him and run with his nonsense. Like Trump does.
 
tres borrachos said:
I laugh every time I see one of the Trump ass lickers use Solomon as some arbiter of facts. His musings are in the Opinion section for a reason. But he gets the rubes to believe him and run with his nonsense. Like Trump does.
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it's what psychologists call confirmation bias.
 
tres borrachos said:
I laugh every time I see one of the Trump ass lickers use Solomon as some arbiter of facts. His musings are in the Opinion section for a reason. But he gets the rubes to believe him and run with his nonsense. Like Trump does.
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Her is worth looking in to.

Soloman was (is) obviously the front man for injecting the Hunter Biden meme into the right wing noise machine. His musings on the subject (none of which are accurate for factual) have been running periodically in The Hill (which no longer employs him) since January.

When Guliani blew the whole thing up just weeks ago, a Soloman spin piece was served up in The Hill on cue. It was larded with falsehoods.

Soloman is clearly linked to both Guliani and the two Russian bag men that employed him.
 
Taylor said:
Now you're just making stuff up. The only "favor" asked was for was that Ukraine look into 2016 election interference. There was no mention of foreign aid being delayed - no mention of foreign aid on the phone call whatsoever. Nice try.
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Wrong, the favor involved Bidens as well - it's even in the "call summary" (i.e. edited partial transcript) White House itself released. You deliberately are skipping that part, oh Gosh, I don't know why. And how do you think they were going to pay for all that military equipment. With the aid that US promised.

Taylor said:
The first source is behind a paywall
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Clear your cookies I guess or try another browser. I am not paying for it and I see it just fine.

Taylor said:
, but I expect it's about as worthless as the second source
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Of course you do - it conflicts with propaganda from the White House

Taylor said:
... which provides zero evidence that "Ukraine knew in May to July." It only references a Washington Post article that says Zelensky and some unnamed Ukrainians were "concerned" in early September about why aid was being delayed.
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That's because you ignore relevant parts.

From late May to early July, says the whistleblower, “multiple U.S. officials told me that the Ukrainian leadership was led to believe that a meeting or phone call between the President and President Zelenskyy would depend on whether Zelenskyy showed willingness to ‘play ball’ on the issues that had been publicly aired by Mr. Lutsenko and Mr. Giuliani.”
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Taylor said:
Yeah, sorry. There was no need to "find a legal way to delay it" - it was already legal. The only requirement was that the aid be disbursed before the end of the fiscal year, which it was.
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That might be your opinion, but according to the person in the room and actually involved in the situation, people in the White House do not agree with you.
 
Slavister said:
Wrong, the favor involved Bidens as well - it's even in the "call summary" (i.e. edited partial transcript) White House itself released. You deliberately are skipping that part, oh Gosh, I don't know why. And how do you think they were going to pay for all that military equipment. With the aid that US promised.



Clear your cookies I guess or try another browser. I am not paying for it and I see it just fine.



Of course you do - it conflicts with propaganda from the White House



That's because you ignore relevant parts.





That might be your opinion, but according to the person in the room and actually involved in the situation, people in the White House do not agree with you.
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Incredible how trumpsters become completely deaf and blind at will whenever their Dear ****bag commits crimes.
 
Taylor said:
Now you're just making stuff up. The only "favor" asked was for was that Ukraine look into 2016 election interference. There was no mention of foreign aid being delayed - no mention of foreign aid on the phone call whatsoever. Nice try.


The first source is behind a paywall, but I expect it's about as worthless as the second source - which provides zero evidence that "Ukraine knew in May to July." It only references a Washington Post article that says Zelensky and some unnamed Ukrainians were "concerned" in early September about why aid was being delayed. This was unconfirmed information coming from Democrat Senator Chris Murphy. Using your "black is white" logic, this is no evidence of anything.



Yeah, sorry. There was no need to "find a legal way to delay it" - it was already legal. The only requirement was that the aid be disbursed before the end of the fiscal year, which it was.
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Is there no lie or crime committed by your Dear ****ab that would bother you?
 
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Yeah, sorry. There was no need to "find a legal way to delay it" - it was already legal. The only requirement was that the aid be disbursed before the end of the fiscal year, which it was.
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Only in early September after ****bag realized that people in his own government had caught on to his criminal activity.
 
Holy crap! What are the Republicans gonna do after Ambassador Taylor's testimony? To call him a liar would be too obvious of their corrupt intent. I think they'll have to completely ignore it, and go on with their desperate excuses and blocking on much less relevant points, because Taylor is a gigantic problem for them, I would even say devastating.
 
MauiMan said:
Trump uses the GOP like a human shield. His strength—the unwavering support of his base—is fading.
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Not in here. In here the sheep get more obstinate by the day.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well I wouldn't try it impeach somebody for trying to smoke it out.
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Well, I would hope not for a lie like that. This impeachment is about what really happened.
 
Slavister said:
Wrong, the favor involved Bidens as well - it's even in the "call summary" (i.e. edited partial transcript) White House itself released. You deliberately are skipping that part, oh Gosh, I don't know why. And how do you think they were going to pay for all that military equipment. With the aid that US promised.
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Sorry, but the only mention of Biden was like 10 minutes after the "favor" line you quoted. The "favor" pertained to an investigation into 2016 election interference.

Slavister said:
That might be your opinion, but according to the person in the room and actually involved in the situation, people in the White House do not agree with you.
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It's not my "opinion" it's the law.
 
digitusmedius said:
Is there no lie or crime committed by your Dear ****ab that would bother you?
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If we're going to start impeaching presidents now because they do something to "bother" us - we may as well do away with the government.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No it isn't because what really happened wasn't an impeachable offense just like being accused of colluding with Russia isn't an impeachable offense.
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Unfortunately for you, it violates federal law to "solicit" any "thing of value" foreign help in an election by anyone, but especially a president of the US even if he is a ****bag that you worship and really wouldn't hold him accountable for shooting someone in cold blood for no reason other than to watch die. He was exactly right about the immorality and cowardice of his base. Because he's an immoral chicken**** himself.
 
digitusmedius said:
Unfortunately for you, it violates federal law to "solicit" any "thing of value" foreign help in an election by anyone, but especially a president of the US even if he is a ****bag that you worship and really wouldn't hold him accountable for shooting someone in cold blood for no reason other than to watch die.
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unfortunately for you and the rest of the Democrats he wasn't soliciting anything. All you have is an imaginary whistleblower.
He was exactly right about the immorality and cowardice of his base. Because he's an immoral chicken**** himself.
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thanks for the compliment I wouldn't want to be seen as moral by someone like you.
 
CLAX1911 said:
unfortunately for you and the rest of the Democrats he wasn't soliciting anything. All you have is an imaginary whistleblower.

thanks for the compliment I wouldn't want to be seen as moral by someone like you.
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No, just manufactured dirt to use in the 2020 election. I'd say you should unplug your ears and remove your blindfold but as a ****bag worshipper you've deliberately made yourself deaf and blind to what a criminal he is --and always has been.
 
digitusmedius said:
No, just manufactured dirt to use in the 2020 election.
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I think this is more of a delusion of grandeur.
I'd say you should unplug your ears and remove your blindfold but as a ****bag worshipper you've deliberately made yourself deaf and blind to what a criminal he is --and always has been.
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I always have to laugh when I see the "all people who disagree with me are in a cult argument."


I'm not obsessed with Donald Trump like you are. I like a lot of the things he has done.
 
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