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'Not only is impeachment dead on arrival, there's a risk that the Senate doesn't even take it up,' M

The gullibility to view trump as an "outsider trying to help the little guy and fight corruption'' is just astonishing to me. Are people that willing to fool themselves to feel better?

One thing is to vote for him in 2016 to shake things up, or because you actually believed he would drain the swamp. But after 3 years? Are you serious?

I mean, doubling down makes sense when nobody gives you an out. Having to admit you've been conned is probably humiliating, it's better to ride this one out until the end and then pretend it never happened.
 
The ignorance is on you I'm afraid. Simply not believing in facts or real world events does not excuse you from your responsibility to your Country. You are betraying our Founders and the Constitution. Trump has made you a man without a country and you might not even know it.

Haven't seen any facts only opinions and the hate filled radical liberals who lost the 2016 election and cannot believe Americans would boot them out of office. I suggest you read the Constitution because obviously you haven't, putting America first really bothers you as you still want someone you can like and not someone who gets the results Trump has generated. You really think the American people want Trump removed from office through Impeachment? My country is America, yours, not sure!

You ever going to provide concrete proof of your allegations? Results matter not opinions
 
........ You don't get to go home, and take the ball with you. .......

McConnell has done it before. He will do it again. He will say his refusal of President Obama's SC court appointee set a precedent that allows him to refuse to hear the Impeachment case.
 
Being a crook and a traitor does not require "God-like powers" all it takes is an ignorant asshole and bunch of like-minded followers. We are not going to tolerate such behavior here. You guys are going down. Our Founders were wise to jerks like Trump and we are well-prepared.

Wow, such hatred over a person who has absolutely done nothing to hurt you, your family or the country. What is wrong with you? Our Founders created the Electoral College! Our Founders created THREE EQUAL BRANCHES of gov't! Our Founders created a small Central Gov't! Your party is a disaster and is the one trying to destroy my country!
 
I guess none of you Trump supporters are actually bothering to read this?

I don't know why this is so hard for Trump supporters to come to terms with.

Trump literally says, "I would like you to do me a favor though" after Zelenskyy asked for a sale of more javelin missiles.

He didn't ask for more Javelin missiles. You couldn't get two sentences in without making the **** up. And back to your original claim, why don't you just copy and paste where "Trump said he would help Ukraine with more javelin missile sales"
 
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So Shifty has been warned!! Stop playing partisan games or your 3rd attempt to remove the president
will end in a grand fashion. Failure once again. Senator McConnell will see to that! :peace


'Not only is impeachment dead on arrival, there's a risk that the Senate doesn't even take it up,' Matt Whitaker says

'''Not only is impeachment dead on arrival, there'''s a risk that the Senate doesn'''t even take it up,''' Matt Whitaker says | Fox News

Former Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker backed Sen. Lindsey Graham’s assertion that the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry will be “dead on arrival” if it’s not conducted fairly before it reaches the Senate.

“Not only is it dead on arrival, there’s a risk that the Senate doesn’t even take it up as it is a completely partisan exercise where [there are] only Democrat witnesses, only Democrats’ votes, and Republicans’ rights to due process and fairness are not honored,” Whitaker told “Outnumbered Overtime.”

Graham, R-S.C., accused House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., of not caring about the truth, and said Schiff’s impeachment efforts would go nowhere unless he called the anonymous whistleblower to come forward and testify about the complaint against President Trump.

“It’s impossible to bring this case forward, in my view, fairly, without us knowing who the whistleblower is and having a chance to cross-examine them about any biases they may have,” he said. “So, if they don’t call the whistleblower in the House, this thing is dead on arrival in the Senate.” Senator Graham

This is so stupid.

The idea that one must have no dog in the fight to report or investigate a crime is completely ridiculous.

Y'all seriously want every suspect to have a representative on the investigation. A lawyer at every briefing. A representative at every raid, with ample warning to the suspects.

What you want is to hold the trial in the house.

That's not how it works. It's not how any of this works.

And we've all known all along that the senate won't convict unless the people are completely convinced.

So the right is blowing chaff.

What the hell difference does it make who the whistleblower is or who he votes for if he provides accurate information?

How the hell could any informant's information be accepted? They do it to get their asses out of a wringer. They are all inherently biased.

I suspect today may he bad for you.

You're gonna need to destroy two men's reputations. Men who have by all indications served honorably and competently. In Taylor's case through multiple administrations, both republican and democrat.

And you really need to convince independents that these men are less credible that a president who has been judged against twice since taking office.

Trump University and the charity. Fraud and abuse. Fines and bans.

Both while occupying the Whitehouse.

Both proof that trump is as shady as many of us have always known he is.
 
The only way for the Dems to remove Trump from office is to do it by an election. So far the candidates they are running have little chance of defeating him.

Yup.

Trump could livestream raping and eating a baby and McConnell wouldn't allow him to be convicted.

And conservative media would say the dems invaded his privacy when they livestreamed him doing it or some other diversion and the cult would eat it up.

And that baby should have trained more so it could defend itself instead of eating, sleeping and pooping. And all at someone else's expense. Just like a liberal, always wanting someone else to give it free stuff.
 
It's an interesting position for them to take. Whether it is the wise choice will depend on what public sentiment will be once the public hearings begin. If it becomes clear for many that the concerns brought up did point to Trump abusing his power, then not taking up an impeachment trial will look bad on the GOP. I think it's too early to tell which way this will swing just yet.

I suspect Giuliani is going under the bus.

That the spin will be that trump knew nothing (easy sell, right?) about the dirty dealing Rudy was up to.
 
The senate should start their own investigation into schiffforbrains conduct. They should call witnesses schifffirbrains will not allow the Republicans to call. They should start with the whistle blower and Schiffforbrains. Any refusal to testify is obstruction. Two can play that game.

That would he what the senate part of impeachment is about.

The house investigates. The senate tries.

I'm not making any predictions right now.

Everything depends on how the voters respond to the public hearings.

And I think it's interesting that I haven't seen any character assassination efforts with the first days witnesses.

The republicans may lose due to the "good man, honest and true" trope that we have as a species. We have heroes who take a stand against their superiors with the help of their fellow workers. Help given at risk to their jobs because they trust him (or her) to do the right thing.
 
What do you expect when the Democrats bucked 50 years of bipartisan precedent establishing how to conduct impeachment inquiries fairly?

Didn't Barr also buck tradition by refusing to investigate the matter when asked to do so?
 
Everything depends on how the voters respond to the public hearings.

That is the problem. This circus has been controlled by the media. The case should be determined by the evidence and not public opinion.
The only witnesses will be the Trump haters who will speculate, presume or give an opinion that Trump did something wrong.
 
An, of course, any dem that went orgasmic when Dirty Harry pulls his tricks has no room to talk if McConnell that a play from Reid's playbook.
Reid was an asshole who ****e upi things and Mitch is a bigger asshole for not making it right.
 
This is so stupid.

The idea that one must have no dog in the fight to report or investigate a crime is completely ridiculous.

Y'all seriously want every suspect to have a representative on the investigation. A lawyer at every briefing. A representative at every raid, with ample warning to the suspects.

What you want is to hold the trial in the house.

That's not how it works. It's not how any of this works.

And we've all known all along that the senate won't convict unless the people are completely convinced.

So the right is blowing chaff.

What the hell difference does it make who the whistleblower is or who he votes for if he provides accurate information?

How the hell could any informant's information be accepted? They do it to get their asses out of a wringer. They are all inherently biased.

I suspect today may he bad for you.

You're gonna need to destroy two men's reputations. Men who have by all indications served honorably and competently. In Taylor's case through multiple administrations, both republican and democrat.

And you really need to convince independents that these men are less credible that a president who has been judged against twice since taking office.

Trump University and the charity. Fraud and abuse. Fines and bans.

Both while occupying the Whitehouse.

Both proof that trump is as shady as many of us have always known he is.

Are you people ever going to discuss the issues important to the American people, national security and economics or just continue to promote hate, divisiveness, class envy and jealousy? We have an election coming up in 12 months, what purpose does impeachment do at this point? Your party is intellectually and issue bankrupt as it is all about getting rid of Trump with trumped up charges and this has been going on since the 2016 election. You have nothing nor do your candidates that benefit the American people
 
I suspect Giuliani is going under the bus.

That the spin will be that trump knew nothing (easy sell, right?) about the dirty dealing Rudy was up to.

I think so too. I don't agree with Bolton on much, but his assessment of Giuliani seems pretty accurate.
 
Absurd. Bribery or extortion of a criminal investigation.

Bribery relates to Trump trading taxpayer-funded assets or official acts of the U.S. government in exchange for a personal benefit.

Extortion relates to threatening to withhold from Ukraine what it had already been promised by both the U.S. government (the bill was passed by Congress and signed by the President). Also, with respect to both the javelin missiles and the military aid, the things it had been promised were essential for it to survive as an independent, sovereign country.
 
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Are you people ever going to discuss the issues important to the American people, national security and economics or just continue to promote hate, divisiveness, class envy and jealousy? We have an election coming up in 12 months, what purpose does impeachment do at this point? Your party is intellectually and issue bankrupt as it is all about getting rid of Trump with trumped up charges and this has been going on since the 2016 election. You have nothing nor do your candidates that benefit the American people

Well, you could start a thread of your own and discuss any of those issues instead of railroading every thread you post in with the same commentary. It's like showing up to a party where you spend your entire time talking about how much you hate parties. We get it: we're all leftist radicals because we don't agree with your views.

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He didn't ask for more Javelin missiles. You couldn't get two sentences in without making the **** up. And back to your original claim, why don't you just copy and paste where "Trump said he would help Ukraine with more javelin missile sales"

Which transcript are you reading? Obviously, not the official transcript the White House released.

This is what Zelenskyy and Trump said:

Trump's Ukraine phone call, annotated

President Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. Specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike…

Why are you lying about this, or do you have some form of Trump-induced dyslexia that makes every sentence which makes Trump look bad transform into the words "NO QUID PRO QUO"?

Is English not your first language? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Are you just intentionally lying? Why? Why are you doing this? Why are you pretending the words before you are not actually there?
 
What if,

The President of the Senate was informed by the House?

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Since there is no provision for Excuses in our federal doctrine; The House could impeach "the next senior officer present" until a Senate trial is held for that purpose. The House must win any "politics of attrition".
 
Then I guess we'll move on to the 4th thing.

This is never going to end. Just saying.

It might end quickly if they can show that Brennan, Clapper et al lied to the FISA Court and that Obama himself was full aware of and approved of the machinations of the Deep State.
 
Which transcript are you reading? Obviously, not the official transcript the White House released.

This is what Zelenskyy and Trump said:

Trump's Ukraine phone call, annotated



Why are you lying about this, or do you have some form of Trump-induced dyslexia that makes every sentence which makes Trump look bad transform into the words "NO QUID PRO QUO"?

Is English not your first language? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Are you just intentionally lying? Why? Why are you doing this? Why are you pretending the words before you are not actually there?

Speaking of the transcipt, you either didn't see it, or ignored it,

but explain what you think Trump meant when he said this, "Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible."
 
What's going to be happening today and the next few days is NOT impeachment, despite what these Leftist whack jobs believe. There's no crime that was committed nor was there any secrecy with Trump's phone call to Ukraine because the transcript was released, and there's no evidence to say other wise. Schiff LIED about what Trump said in the transcript during a congressional hearing and was called out for it, and had the audacity to say that he was only saying it in parody. Schiff won't let Eric Ciaramella, the "whistle blower" (saboteur), testify in these latest hearings because everything this Ciaramella guy said wasn't true either. Ciaramella didn't even know what was said before the transcript was released. Instead of going the IG, Ciaramella went to Schiff and could have violated the law by doing that. In which case makes this a political effort to get rid of a duly elected president. Unfortunately, Schiff gets to make the rules, call his own "witnesses" (actors), and decides what questions can be asked. The guy is nothing more than a partisan hack and this freak show he's putting on will prove it to those who are non-Leftists and non-Never Trumpers.

However, Trump isn't going anywhere. Sane people would realize that there a few things going on here and will have Trump win his second term. First off, this is STILL an attempt to overturn the results of the 2016 Presidential Election. These Leftists and Never Trumpers in Washington haven't accepted the fact that they lost. Trump is an outsider and these people in Washington don't like outsiders. They're a bunch of elitists. Second,these same people trying to get rid of Trump know the Democrat candidates running don't have a prayer to win. Sane citizens have been hearing that their taxes will go up and their private insurance will be eliminated. They wonder what else is going to be taken away or cost more to them. Those two issues alone are almost a guarantee no one from the Democrat party will win the White House. Lastly, these hearings and threats of removal are warnings to those who might be considering to run who are not a part of the Establishment or if they're simply non-supporters. Those warnings can be summed up into "don't you DARE cross, challenge, question, argue, nor debate with us, or we will destroy not just on a political level, but also on a financial and personal level. We will destroy your life as you know it." That's the take away from all this.

Even though, I believe, Trump will win reelection next year, the Republicans need to start deciding now if they're going to stand on and support what Trump has done and how he's done it. After Trump's second term, they need to look for someone like Trump. I'm not against having a full blown conservative, but if that person doesn't want to embrace what Trump has done and try to connect with everyone, and fight back against the Left's and Never Trumper attacks, the Democrats will win big 2024. I don't know about other non-Leftists and non-Never Trumpers, but I'm tired of playing nice with these people who think themselves above everybody else. I left my church because they're dominated by people like that (now I'm going to one that isn't like that at all). Anyway, the Senate won't move to do anything that's even impeachment related, so this whole event is nothing but a partisan stunt.
 
I just read it again, I got a question,

What do you think this part means "Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it, if it's possible."

Just curious...

This is Trump making it very clear an investigation into the idiotic Crowdstrike conspiracy theory is very important to him.
 
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