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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by dcsports View Post
    While there are arguments both ways on whether a person being impeached is entitled to due process - it's ingrained into our legal culture, and the precedent is well established. There's no way that Roberts (or any chief justice) is going to disallow questioning of a potentially key witness.
    Quit honestly - beyond knowing Roberts will be presiding, I have only a vague idea of the protocols. What I do know is, the only rule is that there are no rules! And this was ratified in Nixon v U.S. Senate (judge Nixon - not President Nixon), where SCOTUS forever excused themselves from being allowed to review impeachment-removal.

    Also let's not forget that while Roberts constitutionally must preside over the proceedings, the Senate can over-rule him in any matter whenever they see fit. In effect, Roberts is legally beholden to the wishes of Senators. But where Robert could be a danger to them, is politically. If he rules 'x', and the senators over-rule him stating 'y', there could be political consequences.
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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I don't know the veracity of your claims, since I don't have access to the original document. But I do know the WB law provides protection for the WB.

    And when I see the President's attacks on the WB, I see the wisdom of those that promulgated the law.
    When this law was passed, no one in their right mind ever considered a WB report would involve a President.

    Now for those of an age might well remember what the Republican Party once stood for.
    Sadly for the US, that is not the case.

    Regardless it involves a sitting President, applies to him as well.
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    “The whole episode is sadly unsurprising,” said a senior U.S. official familiar with U.S. policy on Ukraine. “It’s the epitome of impulsive, self-serving decision-making at the top that has undermined American power.”

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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If the left KNOWS that impeachment will not be supported by the senate and will have NO Republican support in either house then they are shooting themselves in the foot.
    Perhaps they believe they are doing it because it's the right thing and they are fulfilling their Constitutional duty? I very much believe so, personally.

    Regardless, they are our representatives and as such they need to represent our wishes. The last numbers I saw were over 90% of the Dems want an impeachment inquiry, and well over 80% want impeachment right now. Are our representatives suppose to ignore us? The ones that put them in office? And conversely, the ones that can remove them?

    The American public will look at their action as being a purely political attack (which it is) and they will pay dearly in the next election.
    Remains to be seen.

    Yes, in 2018 a lot of people voted to get rid of Trump but that election happened BEFORE the Mueller report came out and exposed the Democrat narrative of "collusion" for the farce that it was. This impeachment is playing well with the Democrat base but beyond that base I'm pretty sure that you'll find little support and a healthy dose of disgust at the mockery Democrats are making of our institutions. If we add a report by Horowitz that shows FISA abuse and one by Durham that shows criminal behavior related to the 2016-2017 "investigations" we're more likely to see significant backlash against the Democrats.
    Alright, you are right about the bolded. But since then, Ukraine came about. Have you looked at the polling since then, in terms of impeachment and Trump's popularity now with Ukraine? The impeachment numbers have never been higher. Nhot even close. Imagine if the 2018 election occurred today. Wanna' bet instead of Trump losing 41 seats, it would be 50 or 60?

    As for Durham, I see another Benghazi. No disrespect. But it's time to move-on from old history like the Clintons et al, and address the guy in the Oval Office trying to throw the upcoming election. That's the gravest danger we face. It strikes at the very heart of democracy.
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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say | US news | The Guardian

    Battle for national opinion begins ahead of Wednesday hearings

    The whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump will not testify in public, House intelligence chair Adam Schiff said.

    “The committee ... will not facilitate efforts by President Trump and his allies in Congress to threaten, intimidate and retaliate against the whistleblower who courageously raised the initial alarm,” Schiff said in a letter to ranking Republican Devin Nunes released on Saturday night.
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    The news is already out. The Repubs involved have already been identified. Why put this guy (or gal) through an open hearing that will only confuse matters more + put a target on their back for MAGA freaks?
    Why would the whistleblower need to testify in public if the facts of their complaint are corroborated by virtually every other witness?
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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    Hell, they have so much evidence against Trump they don't even need the WB anymore.

    That should worry the crap outta Trump's followers.
    It does. That's why they so desperately want the WB to appear publicly, so they can try and deflect from what happened by launching an undoubtedly despicable attack on the WB. I doubt it will be much different from their other attacks, particularly if the WB has brown skin:

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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    Why would the whistleblower need to testify in public if the facts of their complaint are corroborated by virtually every other witness?
    The principles of due process and general fairness which have been enshrined into our legal system.

    Yes, the constitution doesn't spell out that this is required of an impeachment, but they've applied it by precedent, and there would be howls of protest (rightfully) from all sides about this being a 'sham' (and it would be) if these principles aren't followed. We need it to be an open, fair, and public process.

    And worth noting.... there is a lot of question marks regarding what's come out in this case.
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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If the left KNOWS that impeachment will not be supported by the senate and will have NO Republican support in either house then they are shooting themselves in the foot. The American public will look at their action as being a purely political attack (which it is) and they will pay dearly in the next election.

    Yes, in 2018 a lot of people voted to get rid of Trump but that election happened BEFORE the Mueller report came out and exposed the Democrat narrative of "collusion" for the farce that it was. This impeachment is playing well with the Democrat base but beyond that base I'm pretty sure that you'll find little support and a healthy dose of disgust at the mockery Democrats are making of our institutions. If we add a report by Horowitz that shows FISA abuse and one by Durham that shows criminal behavior related to the 2016-2017 "investigations" we're more likely to see significant backlash against the Democrats.
    I believe this is a huge risk for the Dems. They have gone too far to turn back now. It will be very interesting to see the reaction when the Senate shoots it down.

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    Re: Trump impeachment: whistleblower will not testify in public, Democrats say

    Quote Originally Posted by TamleeB View Post
    I believe this is a huge risk for the Dems. They have gone too far to turn back now. It will be very interesting to see the reaction when the Senate shoots it down.
    There is going to need to be a lot of clarity from the Republican side of WHY it gets shot down. If the GOP comes out with a "this is all about undoing 2016" narrative they will take a hit. If, instead, they explain that "high crimes and misdemeanors" really should include a crime or a misdemeanor instead of just "the Democrats say it's their job" they'll be better off. If Horowitz or Durham cast a little shade on the "Crossfire Hurricane" origins the Democrats are at serious risk of a massacre.

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