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Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

W_Heisenberg said:
In your heart of hearts do you believe Trump did not intend to hurt Biden by trying to have these various investigations launched and/or announced?
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LOL, sorry, not falling down that rabbit hole.


W_Heisenberg said:
I knew you were being sarcastic, but I didn't know you understand that bribery is such a serious concern that even being the recipient of the offer and agreeing to it is a crime, with or without the bribe actually taken place.
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LOL. Yeah, whatever. :roll:


W_Heisenber said:
So what? That doesn't mean anything. People give police tips all the time on all sorts of crimes. We now have corroboration from various other people and the transcript.
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Not even close to similar circumstance. I think you know that. Not sure the "corroboration" we have actually corroborates what you think it does. All I've seen is people expressing various opinions or reporting communication amongst members of OUR government. NOBODY has reported hearing Trump say "if you want those missiles get me dirt on Biden". The have heard him talk in general terms about some investigations. AND, heard Zelensky say he felt no pressure and that he was unaware the aid was being held up. That's all.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
You asked the impossible of the hilariously incapable, methinks.
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It's been the same pattern every time I cross his path. He makes some ridiculous conclusion, people point out the issue with his conclusion and he starts flailing his arms and running in circles. I will give him credit though. He makes Trump look almost smart.
 
eohrnberger said:
Citation please that the FBI had access to the 'digital image of the servers', the DNC servers, the servers from which the Russians supposedly hacked.

The way I heard it the sheer size of the data exfiltrated from those servers and the speed with which it was exfiltrated gives more credibility that it was an inside job. But opinions would appear to differ on this point.
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Gee I guess the FBI, CIA and the NSA and the cyberwarfare forces of the nation are too friggin stupid to actually be able to figure out who hacked the DNC. I guess all that routing data they have means nothing.

As for the comm throughput issue, I guess if one was using a dial up modem it might have been a problem but these days not so much. "sheer size? you think they transferred the O/S and all the apps on the server as well as the data"? A few gig doesn't take much more than a sec or two.



Router longs maybe, low chance, unless there was a centralized system log server, and even then, pending data retention periods and all. A router doesn't have near enough storage to retain anything meaningful.
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WHAT?

I see baffling them with a little techo speak lends an air of authority in some circles. For instance, server logs are ROUTINELY backed up in any well maintained IT environment.
Then there are all the logs of their ISP which are also available and then there are all the fancy tools the cyberwarriors possess. They know damn well who hacked the DNC and it was the russians. The smoke being blown is exactly that. The pros know.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I don't think this is true.
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The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/
By Matea Gold, Enterprise/investigations editor, Jan. 20, 2017 at 12:19 p.m. EST

Imagine that. Mere hours after his inauguration.

No, the Democrats and the leftists, still haven't gotten over Hillary's 2016 loss, especially not Hillary; she least of all.

There is a single reason for the Democrats to have raised impeachment 'inquiry'.


Al Green: "If we don't impeach this President, he WILL get ...
[url]https://www.youtube.com › watch[/URL]
Sep 26, 2019 - See proof of this Communist's hatred of America, democracy, and the will of the people. “We Don’t Want a Monarchy”: Rep. Al Green Says Democrats Have No Choice But to Impeach Trump - Duration: 19:23. ... Watch 50 Cent Break Down Trump, Mueller Probe With MSNBC’s Melber | The Beat ...You visited this page on 11/1/19.

"Rep. Al Green told MSNBC Saturday that he is "concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected."
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And that's it.
Damage and division to the country be dammed.
Damage to the office of the president be dammed.
Everything else be damned.

Because they've still not accepted the results of the 2016 election. Because the Democrat presidential candidate field has veered off into leftist extremest 'left out' field.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Michelle Obama to run - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Hillary to shut the hell up - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with, and apparently succeeded, in convincing Bloomberg to run.

Yes, that desperate. Impeachment is a result of that.
 
eohrnberger said:
The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/
By Matea Gold, Enterprise/investigations editor, Jan. 20, 2017 at 12:19 p.m. EST

Imagine that. Mere hours after his inauguration.

No, the Democrats and the leftists, still haven't gotten over Hillary's 2016 loss, especially not Hillary; she least of all.

There is a single reason for the Democrats to have raised impeachment 'inquiry'.


Al Green: "If we don't impeach this President, he WILL get ...
[url]https://www.youtube.com › watch[/URL]
Sep 26, 2019 - See proof of this Communist's hatred of America, democracy, and the will of the people. “We Don’t Want a Monarchy”: Rep. Al Green Says Democrats Have No Choice But to Impeach Trump - Duration: 19:23. ... Watch 50 Cent Break Down Trump, Mueller Probe With MSNBC’s Melber | The Beat ...You visited this page on 11/1/19.

"Rep. Al Green told MSNBC Saturday that he is "concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected."
​

And that's it.
Damage and division to the country be dammed.
Damage to the office of the president be dammed.
Everything else be damned.

Because they've still not accepted the results of the 2016 election. Because the Democrat presidential candidate field has veered off into leftist extremest 'left out' field.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Michelle Obama to run - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Hillary to shut the hell up - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with, and apparently succeeded, in convincing Bloomberg to run.

Yes, that desperate. Impeachment is a result of that.
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Whatever. Still happening.
 
eohrnberger said:
Citation please that the FBI had access to the 'digital image of the servers', the DNC servers, the servers from which the Russians supposedly hacked
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"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server."

Did John Podesta deny CIA and FBI access to DNC server, as Donald Trump claims? | PolitiFact

“The FBI was given images of servers, forensic copies, as well as a host of other forensic information we collected from our systems.." - Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director

Trump says Hillary Clinton 'destroyed' the lives of people from his 2016 campaign

"Did you comply with FBI’s requests for information? - We’ve provided all forensic evidence and analysis to the FBI related to the DNC investigation as requested. We have never declined any request for information from the FBI related to this investigation, and there are no pending requests for information by the FBI."

Bears in the Midst: Intrusion into the Democratic National Committee >>

"The FBI received a digital image of the servers — a complete record of what was on the unwieldy farm of physical computers. Physically obtaining the servers would provide no new information."

Mick Mulvaney says push for DNC server investigation was one reason for Ukraine aid freeze - Axios

"First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. "

What Mueller Knows About the DNC Hack—And Trump Doesn’t - POLITICO Magazine

"Instead, the DNC shared a forensically preserved digital image of its systems with the FBI, who concluded that Russian agents had indeed hacked the network."

Trump Still Doesn'''t Believe Russia Hacked the 2016 Election | WIRED

James Comey, during testimony under oath, said that Crowdstrike “ultimately shared with us their forensics.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/
 
Jonsa said:
Gee I guess the FBI, CIA and the NSA and the cyberwarfare forces of the nation are too friggin stupid to actually be able to figure out who hacked the DNC. I guess all that routing data they have means nothing.

As for the comm throughput issue, I guess if one was using a dial up modem it might have been a problem but these days not so much. "sheer size? you think they transferred the O/S and all the apps on the server as well as the data"? A few gig doesn't take much more than a sec or two.





WHAT?

I see baffling them with a little techo speak lends an air of authority in some circles. For instance, server logs are ROUTINELY backed up in any well maintained IT environment.
Then there are all the logs of their ISP which are also available and then there are all the fancy tools the cyberwarriors possess. They know damn well who hacked the DNC and it was the russians. The smoke being blown is exactly that. The pros know.
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Routers have very little local storage. A true statement.
A centralized log server collects logs from multiple systems. A true statement.
As posted.

System logs, as well as much other electronic data, has a retention period, after which it is typically discarded, in a well run IT organization at least. I rather doubt that the DNC is a 'well run IT organization'.

Do try to keep up with the technologies being discussed.
Perhaps you shouldn't be raising such with someone with 30 years industry experience. Eh?

Unless the FBI forensically examined the hacked servers, or, as second best, a properly collected server image (not as good as the originally BTW), CrowdStrike could claim anything their Democrat masters demanded them to conclude. I'd like an independent opinion. I've asked for a citation that there was one rendered by the FBI. I eagerly await it's posting.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server."

Did John Podesta deny CIA and FBI access to DNC server, as Donald Trump claims? | PolitiFact
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Politifact might be the strong source you think it is.
Politifact Was Just Caught Lying Againby Matt Palumbo Posted: November 10, 2019

A Trump ad said Democratic presidential candidates "support giving illegal immigrants free health care at our expense." We rated that Mostly False. Now a Florida GOP leader made a similar statement. It’s still Mostly False. http://bit.ly/32uCsHC
Florida GOP chair twists’ response by Democrats on health care and undocumented immigrants
The leaders of Florida’s two major political parties squared off less than a year before Election Day, throwing partisan jabs over health care and immigration. Florida Democratic Party chairwoman...
politifact.com

The only problem is that nearly every single Democrat candidate that has a shot at winning the nomination HAS supported such a policy. The only ones that haven’t are those you’ve already forgotten about or never heard of; John Delaney, Steve Bullock, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, and Joe Sestak. Of the “mainstream” candidates that haven’t offered an opinion on the matter or were unclear are Tulsi Gabbard and Amy Klobuchar.
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“The FBI was given images of servers, forensic copies, as well as a host of other forensic information we collected from our systems.." - Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director

Trump says Hillary Clinton 'destroyed' the lives of people from his 2016 campaign

"Did you comply with FBI’s requests for information? - We’ve provided all forensic evidence and analysis to the FBI related to the DNC investigation as requested. We have never declined any request for information from the FBI related to this investigation, and there are no pending requests for information by the FBI."

Bears in the Midst: Intrusion into the Democratic National Committee >>
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Seriously? CrowdStrike's own blog?

"The FBI received a digital image of the servers — a complete record of what was on the unwieldy farm of physical computers. Physically obtaining the servers would provide no new information."

Mick Mulvaney says push for DNC server investigation was one reason for Ukraine aid freeze - Axios

"First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. "

What Mueller Knows About the DNC Hack—And Trump Doesn’t - POLITICO Magazine

"Instead, the DNC shared a forensically preserved digital image of its systems with the FBI, who concluded that Russian agents had indeed hacked the network."

Trump Still Doesn'''t Believe Russia Hacked the 2016 Election | WIRED

James Comey, during testimony under oath, said that Crowdstrike “ultimately shared with us their forensics.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/
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OK. Fair enough. The FBI received images of the hacked DNC servers.
Have they make their conclusion public?
 
eohrnberger said:
The way I heard it the sheer size of the data exfiltrated from those servers and the speed with which it was exfiltrated gives more credibility that it was an inside job. But opinions would appear to differ on this point.
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The speeds cited were not that crazy, to begin with...also:

Why the latest theory about the DNC not being hacked is probably wrong | TheHill

“This theory assumes that the hacker downloaded the files to a computer and then leaked it from that computer,” said Rich Barger, director of security research at Splunk.

But, said Barger and other experts, that overlooks the possibility the files were copied multiple times before being released, something that may be more probable than not in a bureaucracy like Russian intelligence.

“A hacker might have downloaded it to one computer, then shared it by USB to an air gapped [off the internet] network for translation, then copied by a different person for analysis, then brought a new USB to an entirely different air gapped computer to determine a strategy all before it was packaged for Guccifer 2.0 to leak,” said Barger.
 
eohrnberger said:
Given that she was such a target, why would she expose herself to the higher risk of running her own server rather than using the government secured servers?
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What are you talking about? Clinton wasn't in office when Trump asked Russia to "find" her e-mails, and when Russia tried to hack her person and campaign computer systems.

Are you trying to change the topic? Do you want to talk about the e-mail controversy relating to the time when she was SOS?
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, sorry, not falling down that rabbit hole.
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I'm just asking a question that should yield a simple yes or no answer.

I suspect you won't answer it because you know telling the truth would hurt your argument.

I'll ask again. Maybe this time you will have the courage to answer:

In your heart of hearts do you believe Trump did not intend to hurt Biden by trying to have these various investigations launched and/or announced?
 
eohrnberger said:
The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/
By Matea Gold, Enterprise/investigations editor, Jan. 20, 2017 at 12:19 p.m. EST

Imagine that. Mere hours after his inauguration.

No, the Democrats and the leftists, still haven't gotten over Hillary's 2016 loss, especially not Hillary; she least of all.

There is a single reason for the Democrats to have raised impeachment 'inquiry'.


Al Green: "If we don't impeach this President, he WILL get ...
[url]https://www.youtube.com › watch[/URL]
Sep 26, 2019 - See proof of this Communist's hatred of America, democracy, and the will of the people. “We Don’t Want a Monarchy”: Rep. Al Green Says Democrats Have No Choice But to Impeach Trump - Duration: 19:23. ... Watch 50 Cent Break Down Trump, Mueller Probe With MSNBC’s Melber | The Beat ...You visited this page on 11/1/19.

"Rep. Al Green told MSNBC Saturday that he is "concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected."
​

And that's it.
Damage and division to the country be dammed.
Damage to the office of the president be dammed.
Everything else be damned.

Because they've still not accepted the results of the 2016 election. Because the Democrat presidential candidate field has veered off into leftist extremest 'left out' field.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Michelle Obama to run - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Hillary to shut the hell up - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with, and apparently succeeded, in convincing Bloomberg to run.

Yes, that desperate. Impeachment is a result of that.
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This is like, one dude.

I don't get it.

Trump supporters get so upset when the media highlights some crazy person on the far right, and the media claims this represents all Trump supporters (Neo-Nazi James Fields being a notable example), but for some reason, you think it's okay to attribute to the entire Democratic Party, and to Trump critics in general, the things Al Green has said...
 
W_Heisenberg said:
What are you talking about? Clinton wasn't in office when Trump asked Russia to "find" her e-mails, and when Russia tried to hack her person and campaign computer systems.

Are you trying to change the topic? Do you want to talk about the e-mail controversy relating to the time when she was SOS?
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If you recall, Hillary set up her own private server and conducted 100% of her government business on it.
Do you really think that server wasn't hacked? A juicy target like that?

It speaks to her criminality in miss-handling classified documents and then Comey taking on the role of federal attorney and beyond exonerating her.

A slightly side topic that goes along with the whole hacking topic.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This is like, one dude.

I don't get it.

Trump supporters get so upset when the media highlights some crazy person on the far right, and the media claims this represents all Trump supporters (Neo-Nazi James Fields being a notable example), but for some reason, you think it's okay to attribute to the entire Democratic Party, and to Trump critics in general, the things Al Green has said...
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The topic of impeachment in the House have come up over, and over.

Jason Chaffetz: Pelosi and impeachment – There have already been 3 votes. Here's why there may not be a fourth
By Jason Chaffetz, 10/19/19
Jason Chaffetz: Pelosi and impeachment – There have already been 3 votes. Here'''s why there may not be a fourth | Fox News

Speaker Pelosi isn't refusing to hold a vote on impeachment. She is refusing to hold a fourth vote on impeachment. There have already been three votes. They all failed. Miserably.

In other words, Congress has explicitly voted NOT to pursue impeachment.
In December 2017, January 2018, and again in July 2019 under Pelosi's leadership, the House held votes on whether to open an impeachment inquiry. The results weren't even close.

All three votes came up as "privileged resolutions." Under Congressional rules, members can vote to table the resolution or to proceed. To affirmatively table a privileged resolution kills it, meaning the resolution has failed.
Though the first two impeachment votes came up during the Republican majority, the votes to reject or table them were indisputably bipartisan.
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And as posted, the first mention of it from the left was mere hours after inauguration, at least in print. Fairly safe to say that was on the lips of ever Democrat after the moment the election was called.
 
PoS said:
Adam Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary' - CNNPolitics


Strange. Why would the Dems hide the accuser from cross examination? If the case is so airtight, why not go public with all of it?
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Because the whistleblower is irrelevant at this stage. Someone smells smoke and suggests there is a fire. Several people come forward to say they saw buildings indeed on fire, which is duly recorded in various forms. The first guy’s word means nothing at this stage, and its bad idea to bring him forward if he is indeed an agent of our government. The pleas to name him are just so they can defame him, so that the Trump base can focus on him and not his message.
 
eohrnberger said:
The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/
By Matea Gold, Enterprise/investigations editor, Jan. 20, 2017 at 12:19 p.m. EST

Imagine that. Mere hours after his inauguration.

No, the Democrats and the leftists, still haven't gotten over Hillary's 2016 loss, especially not Hillary; she least of all.

There is a single reason for the Democrats to have raised impeachment 'inquiry'.


Al Green: "If we don't impeach this President, he WILL get ...
[url]https://www.youtube.com › watch[/URL]
Sep 26, 2019 - See proof of this Communist's hatred of America, democracy, and the will of the people. “We Don’t Want a Monarchy”: Rep. Al Green Says Democrats Have No Choice But to Impeach Trump - Duration: 19:23. ... Watch 50 Cent Break Down Trump, Mueller Probe With MSNBC’s Melber | The Beat ...You visited this page on 11/1/19.

"Rep. Al Green told MSNBC Saturday that he is "concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected."
​

And that's it.
Damage and division to the country be dammed.
Damage to the office of the president be dammed.
Everything else be damned.

Because they've still not accepted the results of the 2016 election. Because the Democrat presidential candidate field has veered off into leftist extremest 'left out' field.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Michelle Obama to run - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with Hillary to shut the hell up - she won't.
So bad it is they've pleaded with, and apparently succeeded, in convincing Bloomberg to run.

Yes, that desperate. Impeachment is a result of that.
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Yeah it wasn't his behavior that prompted the immediate call for his impeachment. If you can't understand why there were a bunch of people who were not happy that the lying, corrupt, self dealing, bigoted, lecher managed to win the electoral college with a record national vote deficit, then you ignore basic human nature. Think way way back when Obama was elected and the right went apepoopy. Teabaggery was born and the bigots rolled out birtherism. Same emotion, different subjective motivation.
 
Nickyjo said:
Because the whistleblower is irrelevant at this stage. Someone smells smoke and suggests there is a fire. Several people come forward to say they saw buildings indeed on fire, which is duly recorded in various forms. The first guy’s word means nothing at this stage, and its bad idea to bring him forward if he is indeed an agent of our government. The pleas to name him are just so they can defame him, so that the Trump base can focus on him and not his message.
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it ain't rocket science but then again, most of the rationale proffered by great trumpian minds it a tad too "nuanced" to grasp such obvious points.
 
Jonsa said:
Yeah it wasn't his behavior that prompted the immediate call for his impeachment. If you can't understand why there were a bunch of people who were not happy that the lying, corrupt, self dealing, bigoted, lecher managed to win the electoral college with a record national vote deficit, then you ignore basic human nature. Think way way back when Obama was elected and the right went apepoopy. Teabaggery was born and the bigots rolled out birtherism. Same emotion, different subjective motivation.
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Sounds like you are describing Hillary. ;)

I'll be the first to admit not being as much pro-Trump as much as I was anti-Hillary.

I thought Kasich had some good ideas at the time.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I'm just asking a question that should yield a simple yes or no answer.

I suspect you won't answer it because you know telling the truth would hurt your argument.

I'll ask again. Maybe this time you will have the courage to answer:

In your heart of hearts do you believe Trump did not intend to hurt Biden by trying to have these various investigations launched and/or announced?
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I think we he did was legal my heart has nothing to do with it.
 
eohrnberger said:
Routers have very little local storage. A true statement.
A centralized log server collects logs from multiple systems. A true statement.
As posted.

System logs, as well as much other electronic data, has a retention period, after which it is typically discarded, in a well run IT organization at least. I rather doubt that the DNC is a 'well run IT organization'.

Do try to keep up with the technologies being discussed.
Perhaps you shouldn't be raising such with someone with 30 years industry experience. Eh?
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Oh? I'll go up against your 30 years of experience in the IT market with mine any day you want.

You string together a couple of features of basic IT infrastructure and imply this is problematic. In this case what is done with system transaction logs. Basic automated backup routines do that kind of work these days. that means that the snapshot is retained despite routine clearing of logs after that process. And backups are usually retained for as long as the legal requirement for data retention for their particular IRS category.






Unless the FBI forensically examined the hacked servers, or, as second best, a properly collected server image (not as good as the originally BTW), CrowdStrike could claim anything their Democrat masters demanded them to conclude. I'd like an independent opinion. I've asked for a citation that there was one rendered by the FBI. I eagerly await it's posting.
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The forensics from the server as in the report were more than adequate to conduct the next level of net routing forensics and that sure as hell doesn't need the server. And then there is all the corroborating evidence obtained thru active intell cyberops against the bad guys. You might like an independent opinion because what the FBI, and the Intell Community have determined is questionable, because after all, the deep state is screwing dear leader everywhich way.
 
Jonsa said:
Oh? I'll go up against your 30 years of experience in the IT market with mine any day you want.

You string together a couple of features of basic IT infrastructure and imply this is problematic. In this case what is done with system transaction logs. Basic automated backup routines do that kind of work these days. that means that the snapshot is retained despite routine clearing of logs after that process. And backups are usually retained for as long as the legal requirement for data retention for their particular IRS category.
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Fair enough. I did mention data retention policies?

Routers have very little local storage.
A centralized log server collects logs from multiple systems.
System logs, as well as much other electronic data, has a retention period, after which it is typically discarded
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Of the above statements I made, which do you disagree with?

The forensics from the server as in the report were more than adequate to conduct the next level of net routing forensics and that sure as hell doesn't need the server. And then there is all the corroborating evidence obtained thru active intell cyberops against the bad guys. You might like an independent opinion because what the FBI, and the Intell Community have determined is questionable, because after all, the deep state is screwing dear leader everywhich way.
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The routing information is of questionable value, as there are many means with which to obscure where the network traffic in question is coming from and going to; TOR anonymizers being the first that come to mind. Accepting that GRU was conducting the hacking in question, do you not agree that using such would be well within their capability of using to hide the true final destination of said network traffic?

I'll agree with the bolded, BTW, with the caveat that he screws himself pretty regularly, but among politicians, this isn't uncommon.
 
trixare4kids said:
Judging by the over the top responses the above article elicited throughout the thread, I'd say the Town Hall article was a success.
Good job...
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As usual the Dembots amaze me. Mass hysteria.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Jesus H Christ. You posted the article and anyone that bothered to read it can see it's not accurate. Then it's pointed out specifically why it's not accurate and you start belly aching about people trying to discredit the article. It was discredited by the author himself by lying about the phone call. And now here you are again acting like it's the people here who are the issue and not the fake news article you found so appealing. Why is it so damn hard for you to be honest?
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Well that's easy, it is impossible to support trump and be honest.

That would be like opposing magnets...
 
Bullseye said:
So, what this thread boils down to seem to be those on the right want a full and complete investigation, including a detailed examination of what the person that started the whole thing - the whistleblower. BTW I'd like to get the ICIG on the stand to explain how the requirement for PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE from the WB got changed just in time for this scenario.

The opposite side, aka Trumpopaths seem to want to avoid anything that will destroy their chance to get the thing they desire more than any other thing in this world: Trump's down fall. Truth, fairness, due process, even Constitutionality, must be thrown in the dump, if necessary to achieve that goal. It's a sickness.
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Like the author of your article said, they don't care how it's done, just bring him down.
What's so funny is that the anti-Trumps pretend that they are for the 'rule of law'. :lamo
 
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