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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Oh? I'll go up against your 30 years of experience in the IT market with mine any day you want.

    You string together a couple of features of basic IT infrastructure and imply this is problematic. In this case what is done with system transaction logs. Basic automated backup routines do that kind of work these days. that means that the snapshot is retained despite routine clearing of logs after that process. And backups are usually retained for as long as the legal requirement for data retention for their particular IRS category.
    Fair enough. I did mention data retention policies?

    Routers have very little local storage.
    A centralized log server collects logs from multiple systems.
    System logs, as well as much other electronic data, has a retention period, after which it is typically discarded
    Of the above statements I made, which do you disagree with?

    The forensics from the server as in the report were more than adequate to conduct the next level of net routing forensics and that sure as hell doesn't need the server. And then there is all the corroborating evidence obtained thru active intell cyberops against the bad guys. You might like an independent opinion because what the FBI, and the Intell Community have determined is questionable, because after all, the deep state is screwing dear leader everywhich way.
    The routing information is of questionable value, as there are many means with which to obscure where the network traffic in question is coming from and going to; TOR anonymizers being the first that come to mind. Accepting that GRU was conducting the hacking in question, do you not agree that using such would be well within their capability of using to hide the true final destination of said network traffic?

    I'll agree with the bolded, BTW, with the caveat that he screws himself pretty regularly, but among politicians, this isn't uncommon.
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Ok, I'll stipulate this comes from a conservative source, so can we dispense with the tsunami of "Ewwww! Townhall".

    This piece lays out much more eloquently than I ever could why the "whistleblower" has to testify in person.
    Judging by the over the top responses the above article elicited throughout the thread, I'd say the Town Hall article was a success.
    Good job...
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Judging by the over the top responses the above article elicited throughout the thread, I'd say the Town Hall article was a success.
    Good job...
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFox76 View Post
    Jesus H Christ. You posted the article and anyone that bothered to read it can see it's not accurate. Then it's pointed out specifically why it's not accurate and you start belly aching about people trying to discredit the article. It was discredited by the author himself by lying about the phone call. And now here you are again acting like it's the people here who are the issue and not the fake news article you found so appealing. Why is it so damn hard for you to be honest?
    Well that's easy, it is impossible to support trump and be honest.

    That would be like opposing magnets...

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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    So, what this thread boils down to seem to be those on the right want a full and complete investigation, including a detailed examination of what the person that started the whole thing - the whistleblower. BTW I'd like to get the ICIG on the stand to explain how the requirement for PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE from the WB got changed just in time for this scenario.

    The opposite side, aka Trumpopaths seem to want to avoid anything that will destroy their chance to get the thing they desire more than any other thing in this world: Trump's down fall. Truth, fairness, due process, even Constitutionality, must be thrown in the dump, if necessary to achieve that goal. It's a sickness.
    Like the author of your article said, they don't care how it's done, just bring him down.
    What's so funny is that the anti-Trumps pretend that they are for the 'rule of law'.
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Judging by the over the top responses the above article elicited throughout the thread, I'd say the Town Hall article was a success.
    Good job...
    "Dey trolled da libs!!"

    Pathetic.

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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary' ?
    Hard to imagine that someone who started this whole impeachment process and all its impact and fall out, can do so and remain in the shadows.

    Sounds like a spy thriller, where at the end you never know who the master mind behind it all is.
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

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    Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary' ?
    Hard to imagine that someone who started this whole impeachment process and all its impact and fall out, can do so and remain in the shadows.

    Sounds like a spy thriller, where at the end you never know who the master mind behind it all is.
    I get that, but if all of the subsequent investigation repeatedly backs up what he/she has stated in the complaint, I am not sure why it is needed for the whistleblower to be outed. There already have been death threats. Hell, POTUS himself talked about penalty for treason in relation to the whistleblower.


    I am curious. If WB just pointed to certain conversations that might be problematic...and multiple records of conversations exist and are the jumping off point for an investigation.....what would the point be in outing the WB?

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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFox76 View Post
    Like I already asked, why is it so hard for you to be honest?
    Irony.

    He was honest. Post #631 and #633. RTT prior to your judged Bullseye to be dishonest.
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    Re: Schiff says whistleblower testimony is 'redundant and unnecessary'

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I get that, but if all of the subsequent investigation repeatedly backs up what he/she has stated in the complaint, I am not sure why it is needed for the whistleblower to be outed. There already have been death threats. Hell, POTUS himself talked about penalty for treason in relation to the whistleblower.


    I am curious. If WB just pointed to certain conversations that might be problematic...and multiple records of conversations exist and are the jumping off point for an investigation.....what would the point be in outing the WB?
    "death threats" ? How does that work with an anonymous and unidentified whistle blower?

    The way I heard it, the whistle blower statute ensures the whistle blower can't be fired from his job. It doesn't guarantee his anonymity.

    "I am not sure why it is needed for the whistleblower to be outed"
    I thought one of the founding principals of the legal system in the US was to be able to face your accuser. Or am I wrong about that?

    It would seem important to learn how the whistle blower came to his information, and came to his conclusion that he needed to take the action that he did.
    It is certainly costing many people a great deal in time, effort, tax payer money, time of Congress, etc. etc. In the future are we to entertain every anonymous accusation such as this with this response?
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