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    Re: Mick Mulvaney: new testimony draws Trump chief of staff into Ukraine scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    "graft"??? "corruption"???

    So...you are talking about the Obama administration, right?

    Biden helping out his son, Hillary's Foundation, Kerry and HIS son...graft at its finest.

    Selling weapons to drug cartels...using the IRS against political opponents...using the CIA, FBI, DOJ, State Department to target a presidential candidate...corruption at its finest.

    The list goes on...

    No, Iím taking about Trump.

    Most of the stuff you list is patent nonsense.

    But perhaps you can tell us about Wilbur Ross, Ryan Zinke, Betsy DeVos, Scott Pruitt, Parmas and his buddy,

    And this is what we know about,

    The Trump Administration has been for sale from top to bottom, and the entire planet knows it.

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    Re: Mick Mulvaney: new testimony draws Trump chief of staff into Ukraine scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If YOU dispute my defense, then it's now your turn to provide your own evidence...instead of crying about me.

    So have at it...if you want.
    W_Heisenberg just cleaned your clock, dude.

    We understand you cannot defend Trump's behavior or that of his inner circle, but spouting lies about previous administrations doesn't work, either.

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    Re: Mick Mulvaney: new testimony draws Trump chief of staff into Ukraine scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is nothing to defend. The claims of graft and corruption...which is what I was responding to...don't exist in regard to Trump.

    But they do exist in regard to Obama and his ilk. That's why I mentioned their graft and collusion. It wasn't deflection. It was assigning the crimes to the proper people and administration.

    I did defend my assertion. If YOU dispute my defense, then it's now your turn to provide your own evidence...instead of crying about me.

    So have at it...if you want.
    Yes, there is everything to defend.... your claim, which was....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Nonsense.

    The reason the Obama stuff wasn't investigated is three-fold:

    1. There is no way the Obama administration would seriously investigate themselves. We saw that with Fast & Furious and the IRS scandal. And hell...Obama certainly wasn't going to call for an investigation of the Hillary Foundation at all. Nor any of the other "non-existent scandals. They hid everything. We never would have even heard about Hillary's email mess if Judicial Watch hadn't found out about it. When that happened, Obama was FORCED to investigate...and we saw what good that did.

    2. When Congressional oversight attempted to look into the Obama corruption, the blatant delay, opposition and outright lies stopped them every time. Heck, Brennan lied to Congress and what was done? Nothing. Because the Obama DOJ refused to deal with it.

    3. There was a distinct lack of pressure by the media.

    None of what I mentioned was "CT crap". It was real. It happened. And it was either ignored or suppressed.

    Graft and corruption happened throughout the eight years Obama was President. That's a fact, whether you are uncomfortable admitting it or not.

    You made many charges that you have entered here as fact. They are not. I asked you to show evidence of those, or withdraw the assertion. You failed to do. Why? I know why, because you can not. There is no substantive credible evidence of any of the things you asserted.

    You make a claim (which you did above), you have the burden proof. You can not meet the burden of proof, we get to consider the claim to be invalid. Of course, should you make a feeble attempt to actually provide proof, I will rebut and rip your claim to shreds, as I do know that everyone of those things you cite are not true. They are baked together and sold to the gullible right on fact-free political smut sites. They can not hold up to the truth (and you know that, which why you won't defend those points)

    So, when you make a reasonable argument to defend your assertions of corruption in the Obama administration, then I will rip it to shreds.... but you have made no such argument. All you made no such argument thus far, thus showing us all that it is NOT true.

    You might want to brush up on debate theory....

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