Sondland Updates Impeachment Testimony, Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo

Stealers Wheel · Nov 29, 2019

Conservative said:
the American people are not going to remove a President over something you believe happened in Ukraine

Actually, we know it happened in the WH. We know it happened because long before it became public knowledge via the whistleblower, the WH staff and lawyers freaked and immediately went into damage control mode, locking up the transcript onto a super secure server.

Then after it became public knowledge, the evolving story started. First it was there was no qpq, then it was yeah, there was a qpq and its ok. Then it was we didn't get our quo, so the quid doesn't count. Then as soon as Trump became aware of the whistleblower, he released the aid. See? No quid! Then the witnesses started testifying publicly and Giuliani's name came up, just like in the released memo of the call. Now it is "I have no idea what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine."

We've heard this tune before. Remember when the Access Hollywood tape came out? Trump actually gave a half-assed apology for it, calling it locker room talk. Later Trump tells us it was a faked tape, that he never said the things we heard him say.

Then there was the Trump Tower meeting where the first response was to deny the meeting ever took place. Then the emails came out, proving there was a meeting. Then they lied about the purpose of the meeting, saying it was about adopting babies. Then, when they got caught in that lie, they changed the story again - and again.

You're ok with Trump lying. He can lie all day long as far as you're concerned. The moment that you acknowledge he lies, you then have to defend his lies. It is much easier to simply deny he lies.

Atomic Kid · Nov 29, 2019

Conservative said:
I am extremely happy which is why I am a huge supporter of what Trump has done. His policies have benefited my family and every American getting us back to what our Founders created, a private sector pro growth country. If radicalized means keeping more of what we earn, personal responsibility, strong national defense then so be it, LOVE IT!! You don't seem to understand this country and how it was created as you have been indoctrinated into believing that there are no consequences for poor personal choices

Happy my ass. Mostly what you do here is spew vindictive hatred towards all that don't share your particular view of the world. Kind of like the quintessential angry old man who chases the neighborhood kids off his lawn each day. Clearly not every family is benefiting from his policies. Mostly those in top brackets are while the average family has either seen it's lot either just marginally improved, relatively unchanged, or slowly slipping further behind. And if America First means America Alone. Then we will not be stronger for it and the world will only become a more dangerous place. Also apparently it's you who doesn't understand the consequences of making poor choices. If you voted for a man who has spent nearly his entire life promoting himself, and enriching himself, often at the expense of others. A man has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of respect for the rule of law and societal norms and has never been held accountable for any his actions and his bigotry. Would somehow change his ways or be transformed by the office. You were sadly mistaken and it shouldn't come as any great surprise that a man exhibiting all those traits would end up eventually get himself impeached.

Conservative · Nov 29, 2019

Stealers Wheel;1070961345]Actually, we know it happened in the WH. We know it happened because long before it became public knowledge via the whistleblower, the WH staff and lawyers freaked and immediately went into damage control mode, locking up the transcript onto a super secure server.

What whistleblower? Shouldn't he testify?

Then after it became public knowledge, the evolving story started. First it was there was no qpq, then it was yeah, there was a qpq and its ok. Then it was we didn't get our quo, so the quid doesn't count. Then as soon as Trump became aware of the whistleblower, he released the aid. See? No quid! Then the witnesses started testifying publicly and Giuliani's name came up, just like in the released memo of the call. Now it is "I have no idea what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine."

I have no idea why this is even an issue with you other than your hatred of Trump created by radicals who are doing the will of Putin

Then there was the Trump Tower meeting where the first response was to deny the meeting ever took place. Then the emails came out, proving there was a meeting. Then they lied about the purpose of the meeting, saying it was about adopting babies. Then, when they got caught in that lie, they changed the story again - and again.

You mean prior to the election?? So what?

You're ok with Trump lying. He can lie all day long as far as you're concerned. The moment that you acknowledge he lies, you then have to defend his lies. It is much easier to simply deny he lies.[]

This is irrelevant and is only of interest to people promoting the Russian desire to de-legitimize the election

Conservative · Nov 29, 2019

Atomic Kid said:
Happy my ass. Mostly what you do here is spew vindictive hatred towards all that don't share your particular view of the world. Kind of like the quintessential angry old man who chases the neighborhood kids off his lawn each day. Clearly not every family is benefiting from his policies. Mostly those in top brackets are while the average family has either seen it's lot either just marginally improved, relatively unchanged, or slowly slipping further behind. And if America First means America Alone. Then we will not be stronger for it and the world will only become a more dangerous place. Also apparently it's you who doesn't understand the consequences of making poor choices. If you voted for a man who has spent nearly his entire life promoting himself, and enriching himself, often at the expense of others. A man has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of respect for the rule of law and societal norms and has never been held accountable for any his actions and his bigotry. Would somehow change his ways or be transformed by the office. You were sadly mistaken and it shouldn't come as any great surprise that a man exhibiting all those traits would end up eventually get himself impeached.

What I do is post data that supports the reality that all you have is hatred of Trump because you have no understanding as to the role of the President. You made poor choices and expect someone else to bail you out. You have no understanding of the rule of law because in this country one is innocent until PROVEN guilty

Atomic Kid · Nov 29, 2019

Conservative said:
What I do is post data that supports the reality that all you have is hatred of Trump because you have no understanding as to the role of the President. You made poor choices and expect someone else to bail you out. You have no understanding of the rule of law because in this country one is innocent until PROVEN guilty

I have no need for anyone to bail me out of anything. I'm not one here reveling in the company of lairs, shysters and thieves. Perhaps because in them you find a sort of kindred spirit. But don't worry one day he is going to have the opportunity to be proven guilty or innocent.

Conservative · Nov 30, 2019

Atomic Kid said:
I have no need for anyone to bail me out of anything. I'm not one here reveling in the company of lairs, shysters and thieves. Perhaps because in them you find a sort of kindred spirit. But don't worry one day he is going to have the opportunity to be proven guilty or innocent.

No, you are the one claiming that the party that promotes personal responsibility, pro growth, state's rights, people keeping more of what they earn, a strong national defense and support for the Constitution is radical. You are blinded by hatred if you don't think you aren't describing today's Democratic Party with your posts

Stealers Wheel · Nov 30, 2019

Conservative said:
What whistleblower? Shouldn't he testify?

Testify to what? That he was told there was something wrong and he/reported it? We already know that. And we know that others looked into the matter and found the WB's report credible. People with firsthand knowledge have already testified. So what relevant information now would the WB have that those others do not?

Conservative said:
I have no idea why this is even an issue with you other than your hatred of Trump created by radicals who are doing the will of Putin

It is an issue because the president cannot be believed. When the story changes, we know the president is lying. Why is he lying?

Conservative said:
You mean prior to the election?? So what?

Again, you go insane when a dem is caught in a lie, but Trump can lie his ass off right to your face and you don't care.

Conservative said:
This is irrelevant and is only of interest to people promoting the Russian desire to de-legitimize the election

"This" is about the truth. You're saying the truth is irrelevant. And that sums it up. We now live in Trump's world where truth is irrelevant.

And if you're going to stay on the path, remember Trump says Russia had nothing to do with meddling in the election. Keep that in mind or someone might get the idea that you think Trump is wrong.

Conservative · Nov 30, 2019

Stealers Wheel said:
Testify to what? That he was told there was something wrong and he/reported it? We already know that. And we know that others looked into the matter and found the WB's report credible. People with firsthand knowledge have already testified. So what relevant information now would the WB have that those others do not?

It is an issue because the president cannot be believed. When the story changes, we know the president is lying. Why is he lying?

Again, you go insane when a dem is caught in a lie, but Trump can lie his ass off right to your face and you don't care.

"This" is about the truth. You're saying the truth is irrelevant. And that sums it up. We now live in Trump's world where truth is irrelevant.

And if you're going to stay on the path, remember Trump says Russia had nothing to do with meddling in the election. Keep that in mind or someone might get the idea that you think Trump is wrong.

Here is reality, something you want to ignore

Victor Davis Hanson: Dems trying to impeach Trump over '''thought crimes,''' but have '''nothing''' | Fox News

As far as Russia is concerned why aren't you posting what the Obama Administration said about the ballot boxes and tell us exactly why Obama didn't so something about this so called Russian involvement? You expect candidate Trump to prevent Russian hacking? You are blinded by your own ideology and hatred for Trump, and the question is why? What President has directly affected you or your family? Please don't tell me that you care about Ukraine or even Russia, you just simply hate Trump and the success he is creating.

Stealers Wheel · Nov 30, 2019

Conservative said:
As far as Russia is concerned why aren't you posting what the Obama Administration said about the ballot boxes and tell us exactly why Obama didn't so something about this so called Russian involvement? You expect candidate Trump to prevent Russian hacking? You are blinded by your own ideology and hatred for Trump, and the question is why?

Why do you continue to promote the idea that Russia interfered in the election? If they did, the election of Trump is tainted. Trump says they didn't and you had better get that through your thick skull. Trump doesn't need idiots posting nonsense like that. Russia didn't interfere in the election and that is the end of it.

You owe Trump an apology.

Conservative · Nov 30, 2019

Stealers Wheel said:
Why do you continue to promote the idea that Russia interfered in the election? If they did, the election of Trump is tainted. Trump says they didn't and you had better get that through your thick skull. Trump doesn't need idiots posting nonsense like that. Russia didn't interfere in the election and that is the end of it.

You owe Trump an apology.

Why is the left making a big deal out of it? I have never claimed that Russia interfered with the election as Russia didn't change my vote, Hillary did. Not sure what universe you live in but that was the first attempt by the left to overturn the election results and now here we are three years later and it is now all about Ukraine. Democrats cannot win on the issues therefore have to divert to legal activities.

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

Conservative said:
Russia didn't change my vote, Hillary did.

good point, and whats wrong with Russian interference anyway?? We have 1000's of insane American groups and millions of nearly insane Americans all over social media interfering anyway they can. And our policy has always been to interfere in foreign elections. Obama went to England and announced who he was for and the CIA has spend billions on phony advertisements all over the world. It's routine except when Democrats see it as an opportunity to depose a Republican.

if we want real democracy we need to prevent dumb people from voting!!! IF the Democrats keep insisting on the letting the totally unqualified vote we'll have more presidents like Trump and more elections determined by goofy interference of all kinds. 1+1=2

MTAtech · Nov 30, 2019

James972 said:
good point, and whats wrong with Russian interference anyway?? We have 1000's of insane American groups and millions of nearly insane Americans all over social media interfering anyway they can. And our policy has always been to interfere in foreign elections. Obama went to England and announced who he was for and the CIA has spend billions on phony advertisements all over the world. It's routine except when Democrats see it as an opportunity to depose a Republican.

if we want real democracy we need to prevent dumb people from voting!!! IF the Democrats keep insisting on the letting the totally unqualified vote we'll have more presidents like Trump and more elections determined by goofy interference of all kinds. 1+1=2

Who decides the criteria for being too dumb to vote, you? That’s a rather narcissistic view of the electorate. They’re dumb unless they vote like you.

Are you really trying to argue that the Russians pushing misinformation on social media couldn’t have any affect on voting habits? If that was true, there wouldn’t be an advertising industry. The fact is, the likelihood that Russian misinformation caused 80,000 voters in three states to vote for Trump instead of Hillary is high.

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

MTAtech said:
Who decides the criteria for being too dumb to vote, you?

dear, people takes tests every day to qualify for millions of different things. We don't worry much who makes the tests. 1+1=2

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

MTAtech said:
Are you really trying to argue that the Russians pushing misinformation on social media couldn’t have any affect on voting habits?

all countries all people try to influence our elections. they only defense is to have intelligent people voting as our founders intended. Without it you'll see many Trumps and many Russian and many Westboro Baptist Churches affecting our voting. Now do you understand?

MTAtech · Nov 30, 2019

James972 said:
dear, people takes tests every day to qualify for millions of different things. We don't worry much who makes the tests. 1+1=2

Based on the lack of lucidity displayed in your posts, you may be disqualified.

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

MTAtech said:
The fact is, the likelihood that Russian misinformation caused 80,000 voters in three states to vote for Trump instead of Hillary is high.

do you want to shut down the internet so millions of crazies all around the world cant use it????????? See how you've been led by the nose??? THe Russians have a more legitimate POV than the Westboro Baptist Church and other liberal American crazies.

MTAtech · Nov 30, 2019

James972 said:
all countries all people try to influence our elections. they only defense is to have intelligent people voting as our founders intended. Without it you'll see many Trumps and many Russian and many Westboro Baptist Churches affecting our voting. Now do you understand?

Stop defending Russian interference for Trump as if it were normal. You’d never accept this interference if the Russians were interfering on Hillary’s behalf. You just accept it because they were doing it for your guy.

I don’t accept it no matter who they were backing.

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

MTAtech said:
Stop defending Russian interference for Trump as if it were normal.

OMG!!!! its 1000% normal!! All countries do it. You don't even have to be secretive about it. Maybe half the people here on DP are foreigners trying to influence. Do you understand?????????????????????????????

James972 · Nov 30, 2019

MTAtech said:
Stop defending Russian interference for Trump as if it were normal. You’d never accept this interference if the Russians were interfering on Hillary’s behalf. You just accept it because they were doing it for your guy.

I don’t accept it no matter who they were backing.

you've been led by the nose. its called the WWW (world wide web)!!!!!!!!!! NOw do you understand???????!

MTAtech · Nov 30, 2019

James972 said:
OMG!!!! its 1000% normal!! All countries do it. You don't even have to be secretive about it. Maybe half the people here on DP are foreigners trying to influence. Do you understand?????????????????????????????

I kind of suspect you.

James972 · Dec 1, 2019

MTAtech said:
I kind of suspect you.

you can suspect all internet traffic as trying to affect our elections yet goof liberal want to go after Russia more than all 8 billion people in the world or the CPUSA or Westboro Baptist Church?? Insane right??

Exactice · Dec 2, 2019

W_Heisenberg said:
The issue is there is compelling evidence that suggests this wasn't an independent investigation by Rudy.

This will be a much more interesting discussion.

1) Can we Prove that Guiliani used any State Department or Government Access to conduct his own "independent investigation"
2) As the President's Personal attorney, Proving if it Trump used the power of the Presidency Vs his own resources will be the burden of accusation
3) Sure its simple to apply Guiliani did ad the discretion of Trump. But thats Default, is that "criminal" or "Impeachable"

The biggest kicker to me. IT has been Known for a while Joe Biden and Hunter Biden in regards to Burisma. This does not see like it was cooked weeks or even months ago Guiliani reported this a year or 2 ago. Now here is the BIGGEST Kicker.

1) Is it Impeachable for the POTUS, to ask a favor to look into possible indiscretions.
2) If there is NO indiscretions then there should be NOTHING to worry about in regards to Biden right?
3) IF there ARE indiscretions, is it NOT in our nations best interest to know about it in regards to a Democratic Presidential Candidate? (hypothetical sure, but a serious questions) IF we found that Hunter was used as State Department Access through Joe Biden. (Pay for Play) yuo would BE ok with that and Biden being the potential Democratic Presidential Nominee? (Hypothetical again)

James972 · Dec 2, 2019

Exactice said:
IF we found that Hunter was used as State Department Access through Joe Biden. (Pay for Play) yuo would BE ok with that and Biden being the potential Democratic Presidential Nominee? (Hypothetical again)

if the Democrats are dumb enough to vote for impeachment the Senate will require both Bidens to testify and then we'll find out what they were up to in Ukraine. Seems obvious to me that Biden took the money and laundered it through his son in the no show job!