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US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

Goshin said:
An article I read recently had, among other intriguing information this to say: We should stop thinking of them as drug cartels, and consider them warlords and militias, as they literally run much of Mexico, not just the drug trade but operating as a defacto local-government-by-force-of-arms.

Say No to them about anything, they're liable to take it personally and they are extreme in response.
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I hadn't thought about "warlords," and you may be right.

Good to see you around!
 
SLC said:
Except they recognize and follow the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. They are Mormon but not members of the mainstream Mormon church. They ever call themselves Mormons.
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Doesn't matter what they follow, they aren't Mormon and their church is called the Church of the First Born, not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...
 
nota bene said:
I hadn't thought about "warlords," and you may be right.

Good to see you around!
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They're drug lords who have parlayed their profit margin into a fiefdom.

Problem goes away if we can convince our fellow Americans to just stop buying illegal freaking drugs to the tune of $150 Billion a year.
 
calamity said:
They're drug lords who have parlayed their profit margin into a fiefdom.

Problem goes away if we can convince our fellow Americans to just stop buying illegal freaking drugs to the tune of $150 Billion a year.
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exactly, or if we make politicians understand exactly what Colorado already understands.
 
calamity said:
They're drug lords who have parlayed their profit margin into a fiefdom.

Problem goes away if we can convince our fellow Americans to just stop buying illegal freaking drugs to the tune of $150 Billion a year.
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1. Not happening ever. Legalize weed but there are other drugs that will never be legalized, like meth... no one would want the liability for such a toxic product.

2. Even if it did, they wouldn't just disappear. Badly weakened yes, but not gone. They're also involved in many other illicit and legal business now, and won't vanish overnight.
 
Goshin said:
1. Not happening ever. Legalize weed but there are other drugs that will never be legalized, like meth... no one would want the liability for such a toxic product.

2. Even if it did, they wouldn't just disappear. Badly weakened yes, but not gone. They're also involved in many other illicit and legal business now, and won't vanish overnight.
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I don't think anyone suggesting the legalization of hardcore drugs such as meth, heroin, fentanyl, etc. But rather decriminalizing the simple possession of those drugs.
 
ClaraD said:
Doesn't matter what they follow, they aren't Mormon and their church is called the Church of the First Born, not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...
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I said they are Mormons not Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So it matter that they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon. That makes them Mormons. They think Joseph Smith is a prophet.
 
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SLC said:
I said they are Mormons not Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So it matter that they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon. That makes them Mormons. They think Joseph Smith is a prophet.
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No, they aren't. It doesn't matter what they do or don't follow or if they believe in the purple snowman.
 
SLC said:
In religion I let people self identify.
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So if Trump were to identify himself as being an Evangelical Christian you would believe that he is one?
 
SLC said:
Didn't think I really need to. Mexico is a narco state the US isn't. Mexico's government is very corrupt and bribery is a fact of life Bribery is uncommon in the US. Drug cartels control large areas of Mexico not in the US.

Mexico's murder rate is 5 times the murder rate in the US.

how many murders a year in mexico - Google Search


murders per year united states - Google Search
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And this is the fault of Mexican culture? Is the American drug crisis the fault of American culture?
 
SLC said:
Do you believe its as common place as it is in Mexico.
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Don't move the goal posts now.

You said bribery is UNCOMMON in the US which is not true at all.

Every lobbyist bribes congressmen every day.

Would it matter if there are less cases in the US than Mexico? What you said was incorrect.
 
lwf said:
And this is the fault of Mexican culture? Is the American drug crisis the fault of American culture?
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The American drug crisis is the direct and predictable result of extremely poor public policy brought and defended by the federal government.

Nobel Laureates like Milton Friedman and William Buckley have been describing this for many decades.
 
Mason66 said:
Don't move the goal posts now.

You said bribery is UNCOMMON in the US which is not true at all.

Every lobbyist bribes congressmen every day.

Would it matter if there are less cases in the US than Mexico? What you said was incorrect.
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214 cases in a country of 330,000,000 doesn't seem that common place.

In fiscal year 2018, there were 214 bribery offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of bribery offenders has decreased by 31.2% since fiscal year 2014.
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Bribery | United States Sentencing Commission
 
ClaraD said:
No, they aren't. It doesn't matter what they do or don't follow or if they believe in the purple snowman.
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They follow the Book of Mormon not the Book of the Purple Snowman. :lol:
 
ClaraD said:
They were excommunicated from the church, that means they aren't Mormon smh
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They may be excommunicated from the LDS church but they follow the Book of Mormon and think Joseph Smith is a prophet. They are just like other splinter group that consider themselves Mormons but not member of the LDS main church body. Just like Eastern Orthodox and even the Episcopalian church consider themselves to be Catholic but not Roman Catholic.
 
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Clara you are just wrong

The word "Mormons" most often refers to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) because of their belief in the Book of Mormon, though members often refer to themselves as Latter-day Saints or sometimes just Saints.[14] The term "Mormons" has been embraced by others, most notably Mormon fundamentalists,[15] while other Latter Day Saint denominations, such as the Community of Christ, have rejected it.[16] Both LDS Church members and members of fundamentalist groups commonly use the word "Mormon" in reference to themselves.[17] LDS Church leaders have encouraged members to use the church's full name to emphasize its focus on Jesus Christ,[18][19] and have discouraged the use of the shortened form "Church of the Latter Day Saints", as well as the acronym "LDS", and the nickname "Mormons".[20][21][19]

The word "Mormon" is often associated with polygamy (or plural marriage),[22] which was a distinguishing practice of many early Mormons; however, it was renounced by the LDS Church in 1890[23] and discontinued over the next 15 years.[24] Today, polygamy is practiced within Mormonism only by people that have broken with the LDS Church.[25]

In the early days of the church the word "Mormon" or "Mormonite" was used to describe the religion in by those who were less familiar with the church.[26] The term "Mormonite" was used several times in derogatory works.[27][28]
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Mormons - Wikipedia

Three woman and six children from La Mora, Sonora, all "independent Mormons" with intermarriage ties to the become-amorphous Church of the Firstborn[44] and who hold dual US-Mexican citizenship, were victims of a massacre, shot and burned alive in three vehicles on a road in Sonora on November 4, 2019
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Church of the Firstborn (LeBaron family) - Wikipedia
 
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SLC said:
They follow the Book of Mormon not the Book of the Purple Snowman. :lol:
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Is there really a difference?
 
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