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US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

EMNofSeattle said:
“Freedom” is irrelevant to the question. A just execution is a just execution and the form of government or said governments adherence to arbitrary values invented from whole cloth by leftists simply does not matter.

Morally speaking the civil authorities should have the prerogative to end the life of serious offenders against public order
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The point is that free societies in today’s world don’t execute their citizens. Freedom and due process in a society are not “arbitrary values invented from whole cloth by leftists.” Conservatives are proud to support such things. What is arbitrary (except for the consistent message that white lives are more valuable) is the application of the death penalty in the US.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Morally speaking the civil authorities should have the prerogative to end the life of serious offenders against public order
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Morals are individual and personal. It appears that you and I have vastly different morals.

I do not trust the "civil authorities" enough to grant them the authority to kill.
 
calamity said:
We buy the drugs. So, it's actually American culture that created these drug wars, and the dead are collateral damage.

Saying otherwise is ignorant or straight-up racist.
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Nope. It's not racist to point out facts.
 
calamity said:
Another ignorant or outright racist statement. Why not focus on the failed culture of the US which buys all these illegal drugs, hence driving up the demand and the profits? Blind spot?
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Thanks for sharing your special feelings.
 
SheWolf said:
It’s really weird how blame what happened to these people on the culture of millions of Mexicans. We see plenty of white people committing horrible crimes, mass shootings, etc. just yesterday, a bunch of white supremacists were arrested because they were planning an attack on a Jewish Synagogue. It’s funny how nobody blames white culture. An entire culture is not responsible for these crimes.
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Nobody blames white culture? The Progs are making a run at controlling the Nation by exploiting their woke "white culture" bull****, and attempting to destroy anyone who doesn't accept guilt over it.

"White Culture" is one of the more abject racist elements of the socialist progressive movement
 
ocean515 said:
Thanks for sharing your special feelings.
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No, thank you. I could not have done nearly the fine job of exposing the outright racism of the Right as the crew above.
 
SheWolf said:
You are calling them all drug dealers. Everybody in South and Central America does not manufacture and distribute drugs, nor do they tolerate the cartels. People are fleeing from the cartels. The cartels terrorize innocent people in south and Central America. Many of the people being terrorized and fleeing for their lives make up the caravans approaching the American border.

They don’t tolerate living under the cartels or being terrorized by them. They are willing to walk hundreds of miles for days and weeks to get to the American border, because that’s how little they actually tolerate what the Charles do to them and threaten to do.

But hearing you actually say this is not surprising. Trump has always talked about all of these people like they’re criminals and drug dealers, and you, a Trump supporter, share in the same feeling and attitude. It’s not reality nor is it factual. They don’t tolerate the cartels, and they aren’t all drug dealers.
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I'm not calling all of them drug dealers. Where did I say that?

Mexico, Guatemala, etc., are failed cultures. Poverty, lack of education, anarchy, corruption, etc., etc.. The countries they created are so bad, they are fleeing it.

The problem is, they bring that mindset and culture here when they illegally enter the country. It's confirmed by the illegality in which they enter.

Legal immigration, on the other hand, proves the immigrant understands and respects out laws. That is the kind of immigrant we want, and should encourage.

We shouldn't be encouraging failures from failed cultures.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't know any Mexican citizens that tolerate the cartels.

There is nothing we can do. We are not allowed legally to have guns of any kind.
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Yet, it's the local citizens who make up the Cartels, is it not?

Do you think Canada would tolerate Cartels operating like they do in Mexico, or farther south? Do you think Japan, England, France, etc., would tolerate that?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is simply nonsense. You must "tolerate" someone who will kill you, and likely your entire family, if you disrespect their power (authority?) which is much the same reason that we have street gangs and organized crime in the US. Once the cartels reach the level where they can (and do) pay off the local police, the national police and the military then there is nobody that is going to help stop them.

If you lived in the gang controlled areas of our cities, often called "the hood" or "the ghetto", would you try to wipe out (or rat out) those pesky street gangs or perhaps decide to move to where better jobs and safer living conditions could be found? If you chose to move out would you then be rightly accused of bringing that failed street gang culture with you?
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It's not nonsense, it total fact.

Take Mexico. The culture of Mexico is black market and corruption. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

I understand that threats are made, etc.. That sucks. But the Nation and the people do nothing about it.

Do you think Canada, France, Japan, England, whoever, would allow Cartels to operate in the countries the way Mexico and others allow them?

I don't think so. Failed culture.
 
Atomic Kid said:
You don't think the Mexican people would like be rid of the cartels? This is not a matter of choice for them. These cartels have grown to be nearly as powerful, if not more powerful in terms money, resources and weapons than many of the governments in our Western-Southern hemisphere. And all this administration thinks it has to do is a build a wall and look away and the problems will just go away. But they don't. They just continue to grow.
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I think if the Mexican people wanted to get rid of the Cartels, they could. How many millions against how many thousands?

Graft and corruption is built into their culture. It's sad, but that why resource rich countries like Mexico are still considered third world countries.
 
ocean515 said:
It's not nonsense, it total fact.

Take Mexico. The culture of Mexico is black market and corruption. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

I understand that threats are made, etc.. That sucks. But the Nation and the people do nothing about it.

Do you think Canada, France, Japan, England, whoever, would allow Cartels to operate in the countries the way Mexico and others allow them?

I don't think so. Failed culture.
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I have already pointed out to you that violent street gangs operate freely and control areas inside the US. Does that mean that US "culture" has failed? BTW, that black market in Mexico exists largely to support the US demand for recreational drugs.
 
lwf said:
Blaming Mexican culture for drug cartels is like blaming the culture of the American South for white nationalism.
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So it's Australians living in Mexico, and elsewhere, who populate the Cartels and make up its troops on the ground?
 
JustHanging said:
That's what the world says about American culture:

Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton) - Wikipedia
Santa Fe High School shooting - Wikipedia
Thurston High School shooting - Wikipedia

And even when it happens, you get some of the biggest far right conservatives claiming it never really happened. Crazy ****.

Alex Jones sent Sandy Hook victims files with child sexual abuse images, say lawyers | World news | The Guardian


What do you think, failed culture?
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I think there are certainly elements within the overall "American Culture" that are failed. No question.

But as a whole, the US isn't a failed culture, it's the #1 superpower power in the World.
 
calamity said:
No, thank you. I could not have done nearly the fine job of exposing the outright racism of the Right as the crew above.
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Facts are racist? I know the radical left is inventing new demands people must abide by or else, but that's a new one.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I have already pointed out to you that violent street gangs operate freely and control areas inside the US. Does that mean that US "culture" has failed? BTW, that black market in Mexico exists largely to support the US demand for recreational drugs.
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How could the citizens of the US create a global superpower, and be considered a failed culture?

I have already pointed out that the US is a global super power, so your premise never got out of the gate.

You're getting too emotional to be objective.
 
ocean515 said:
Facts are racist? I know the radical left is inventing new demands people must abide by or else, but that's a new one.
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Must be the”culture.” :roll:
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Morals are individual and personal. It appears that you and I have vastly different morals.

I do not trust the "civil authorities" enough to grant them the authority to kill.
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No, that is a lie. Morality is objective.
 
Felis Leo said:
I see, AProudLefty. To clarify, I do not consider the death of active terrorists, those who support the establishment of violent theocracies, or those who support race war and outright genocide a soul-shaking occurrence. I am not for the suppression of these people's right to self-expression. I am not for such evil people being hurt and killed (except insofar as to stop criminal activity or active terrorism by law enforcement and military personnel). I just do not weep for their passing.
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Thanks. There are some people who changed and left those racist groups. My friend was as racist as one can be then he became friends with black people. Lol.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, that is a lie. Morality is objective.
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Morals are a convenience. Easily put aside for other priorities. One society, culture, religion says it is not moral to kill, another says it is not moral to not kill. One society, culture, religion says it is not moral to have more than one wife, one husband. One society, culture, religion says it is not moral to have less than three wives. No objectivity at all.
 
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