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US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

Blaming Mexican culture for drug cartels is like blaming the culture of the American South for white nationalism.

You think the culture of the American South didn’t at least tolerate, if not openly foster white nationalism?
 
I can't either. Prayers for the members of La Mora. Sadly, the failed culture of Mexico will likely continue to foster this type of tragedy for years to come.

That's what the world says about American culture:

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And even when it happens, you get some of the biggest far right conservatives claiming it never really happened. Crazy ****.

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What do you think, failed culture?
 
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And don't forget they're bringing that culture into the US everyday.

Yes because those kids locked up in concentration camps are just murderers waiting to happen eh?
 
I bet you say the same thing about Christians, conservative, Republicans and Trump supporters...

Trump supporters are a monolith. Deal with it.
 
That is simply an unfounded assertion.

It really hasnt. We have had declining crime rates after the death penalty was abolished. It was abolished for ethical and practical reasons.
 
Yes, crime skyrocket in Europe as they abolished the death penalty.

What happened in Europe is irrelevant, whatever witchcraft science you claim worked in Europe is clearly not working in Mexico
 
Do you currently live in Mexico? It looks like the cartels are armed. How is that happening, and why do they have guns? Are they illegal weapons being smuggled? I could guess how the cartels are obtaining them illegally, but I will not

Yes I live in Mexico.

We just recently had an incident where people ambushed a military group and stole all of their guns. The military did nothing about that as a response.

Where are they getting the guns? The US mostly.
 
I think the problem is with who and how many people in the police and or military are in bed with the cartels. They of course do not want to have that leaked out so they do not come down hard on them. Then there is the threat to the families of the police and military. Using paramilitaries has not worked very well in the past as I believe some were bought, and went over to the cartels.


The money they get vastly overwhelms what the government can offer, the threats to families is far higher than what the government can threaten. I expect most soldiers in the cartels care much about their families.

I am not sure the families of the military are in danger anymore. The families of the police are a different story.

They send soldiers from other parts of the country to patrol. It is rare a soldier stays in his area. They also usually have their face covered so as to not identify who the soldier really is.
 
They already tried that under at least the last three presidents in Mexico. All out war. With horrific consequences they're still living with today.

It doesn't work. It's never worked and it never well work.

That has never happened. Not once.

The last three presidents talked but never did anything.

Yes the soldiers are driving around town, but they do not respond like I suggested.
 
Yes I live in Mexico.

We just recently had an incident where people ambushed a military group and stole all of their guns. The military did nothing about that as a response.

Where are they getting the guns? The US mostly.
Fast and Furious provided several
 
Normal conservatives see immigrants, even illegal ones, as hard working people trying to make a better life for their family. They respect any honest work, skilled or not, and they respect family values including keeping families together. Normal conservatives still want an orderly process of immigration and increased security, but they don't speak of invasions. Normal conservatives have not lost touch with their fellow man in the struggle to improve one's lot in life.

It would be nice to see the GOP talking and acting like that. Trump has to go
 
That has never happened. Not once.

The last three presidents talked but never did anything.

Yes the soldiers are driving around town, but they do not respond like I suggested.

Ah, the sweet fetid stench of historical illiteracy. Yes, no matter how much that fills you w/impotent rage, that's EXACTLY the policy that Mexico had until rather recently, and the consequences on innocent citizens were horrific. They responded as you suggested and were met in kind, simply amplifying the violence and ramping up corruption.

Since you don't know history, I don't expect you to understand that.
 
He's speaking of the cartels. Not playing to your political liberal agenda.

No one is saying all Mexicans are evil. However there is no denying that a large criminal element has taken control of Mexican society and it is evil with no bounds. It does fall on the remainder of Mexican society to excise this cancer. No one else can accomplish that for them. In the face of police, judges, politicians either justifiably afraid of or bought by these criminals, the Mexicans who do not want their children to be the targets of these capricious miscreants must rise, arm themselves and go to war with them, until they are all dead, imprisoned or having fled from Mexico.

Americans crying over the poor victims will accomplish nothing. It is not a question of wealth, it is a question of will. The Mexican state of Oaxaca is relatively free of the cartels because the local populace, mostly Native Americans, had and has no compunctions against killing them in the nights and during broad daylight. The same as they treat the Mexican Federales. An attempt to invest themselves by the cartels in Oaxaca was met with greater violence than they dished out. It is not that Oaxaca is crime free, but it is free of the cartels and their indiscriminate crime and violence.

Your petty politics offers no solutions. Just pontification and laments which accomplish zilch.

American media is already publishing that the two dead women from this incident were involved with Nixm sex cult as if such excuses these abhorrent murders and kidnappings. Stop your whining and show us realistic solutions.

Aside from your personal attacks on me, I don’t necessarily disagree with your post. Unlike many other people here, you didn’t write anything overtly racist. I give you credit for that, but you have no proof I don’t support solutions. I do not support Trump’s solutions and rhetoric. I also think America could do more in regards to the drug industry and gun smuggling. We get really involved in helping other nations like Israel with security. I don’t see why we don’t treat the Latin people with the same respect and speak of them more humanely, because America has a national interest in fighting the cartels too
 
Yes I live in Mexico.

We just recently had an incident where people ambushed a military group and stole all of their guns. The military did nothing about that as a response.

Where are they getting the guns? The US mostly.

Very sorry to hear about this. Do you live in an area considered safe? Why doesn’t the military do anything? Are they too scared? Are they corrupted by cartel money? I assume law enforcement has the proper reaction in areas not overrun by cartels.
 
Ah, the sweet fetid stench of historical illiteracy. Yes, no matter how much that fills you w/impotent rage, that's EXACTLY the policy that Mexico had until rather recently, and the consequences on innocent citizens were horrific. They responded as you suggested and were met in kind, simply amplifying the violence and ramping up corruption.

Since you don't know history, I don't expect you to understand that.

I am not sure where you live in Mexico but where I am that is not the case and never has been.

On occasion there is a confrontation, but it is nothing like I mentioned in my other post.

The military usually backs down when they are confronted.
 
At least six children and three women living in a Mormon community of U.S. citizens in Mexico were shot to death Monday and several others were reportedly kidnapped after their convoy came under fire during a brazen daylight ambush believed to have been carried out by gunmen affiliated with organized crime in the country.

Those attacked were members of the LeBaron family, a well known American clan who have lived in the fundamentalist community in the northern part of the country for decades, according to the New York Times. Kenny LeBaron, a cousin to several of the victims, told the Times he feared the death toll could increase.

“When you know there are babies tied in a car seat that are burning because of some twisted evil that’s in this world,” LeBaron said, “it’s just hard to cope with that.”

More than a dozen other members of La Mora — a decades-old settlement in Sonora state founded as part of an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints— were missing after the attack on the convoy of three SUVs, a relative told The Associated Press. US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico | Fox News

I just can't imagine the motive here.

Mexico is such a ****hole that it boggles my mind that anybody would go there for any reason...
 
Very sorry to hear about this. Do you live in an area considered safe? Why doesn’t the military do anything? Are they too scared? Are they corrupted by cartel money? I assume law enforcement has the proper reaction in areas not overrun by cartels.

I live in Sinaloa. I have no fear to go out whenever I want to.

I don't know hwy the military backs down to the cartel.

The cartels hold up in small towns outside of cities like Culiacan. There is no way to get to them without them knowing you are coming. Also, nobody knows really who works for the cartel, unless they are the big guys.

I knew it was a mistake to arrest El Chapo. He kept this area calm as he knew killing innocents was bad for business.

These new people trying to take over, don't care.
 
What happened in Europe is irrelevant, whatever witchcraft science you claim worked in Europe is clearly not working in Mexico

Mexico has had high crime and low crime rates. Death penalty or lack thereof has little to do with it. To the best of my knowledge, the only countries in this hemisphere that have the death penalty are the US, Cuba, and some former British colonies. In general, freedom in the world can be measured by looking at countries that execute or don’t. The only significant exception to that is the US.
 
What happened in Europe is irrelevant, whatever witchcraft science you claim worked in Europe is clearly not working in Mexico

Mexico's problem is North of the Border. The US buys their drugs to the tune of $150 Billion a year and ships down millions of guns and a billion rounds of ammunition. It is a mathematical certainty that the guns and bullets which killed that family came from the US.
 
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