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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    Are you talking about land the Mexican government stole from the Indians?
    You mean the conquistadors, white men...the Mexican government was ran by Santa Ana, a Spaniard....from Spanish royalty. Remember your white anscestors also stole land from Native Americans, so if someone else comes along, like Russia, and steals New Hampshire or Alaska it is all fair game?

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I have no problem with polygamists or gangsters who fled to Mexico. But, when the religiously white Right paints them as “saints,” I like to note the irony.

    By the way, the founders of Texas weren’t a whole lot worse than those who founded the 13 original states. Just saying.
    Of course they think they are saints, they aren't brown.

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I have no problem with polygamists or gangsters who fled to Mexico. But, when the religiously white Right paints them as “saints,” I like to note the irony.

    By the way, the founders of Texas weren’t a whole lot worse than those who founded the 13 original states. Just saying.
    The religious right has notoriously and always rejected and persecuted Mormons. As usual, you own twisted takes on reality trip you as you fall face first into the mud.

    No one has ever suggested Crockett and Bowie were founders of Texas. Both were dead well before Texas was separated from Mexican rule. Leave it to you to find an excuse to excoriate your own nation when you have nothing worth saying.

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    The religious right has notoriously and always rejected and persecuted Mormons. As usual, you own twisted takes on reality trip you as you fall face first into the mud.

    No one has ever suggested Crockett and Bowie were founders of Texas. Both were dead well before Texas was separated from Mexican rule. Leave it to you to find an excuse to excoriate your own nation when you have nothing worth saying.
    These weren't mormons...they are a fundamentalist polygamist offshoot.

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And don't forget they're bringing that culture into the US everyday.
    The US has a big enough gun culture, without importing.
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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    The religious right has notoriously and always rejected and persecuted Mormons. As usual, you own twisted takes on reality trip you as you fall face first into the mud.

    No one has ever suggested Crockett and Bowie were founders of Texas. Both were dead well before Texas was separated from Mexican rule. Leave it to you to find an excuse to excoriate your own nation when you have nothing worth saying.
    Ad hom wut?
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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaraD View Post
    These weren't mormons...they are a fundamentalist polygamist offshoot.
    They identify themselves as Mormons. Less we forget, the mainstream Mormons decided to forego polygamy as a prerequisite for Idaho statehood. That all Mormons did not acquiesce does't mean they left the Mormon fold.

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Ad hom wut?
    Is "wut" some new word with a hidden meaning? Some visionary revelation of yours, from too much whine?

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    They identify themselves as Mormons. Less we forget, the mainstream Mormons decided to forego polygamy as a prerequisite for Idaho statehood. That all Mormons did not acquiesce does't mean they left the Mormon fold.
    they aren't Mormons and are certainly not accepted by the Mormon church. It would be like a Methodist saying, yeah but we are Catholic...no, they aren't Catholic.

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    Re: US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    At least six children and three women living in a Mormon community of U.S. citizens in Mexico were shot to death Monday and several others were reportedly kidnapped after their convoy came under fire during a brazen daylight ambush believed to have been carried out by gunmen affiliated with organized crime in the country.

    Those attacked were members of the LeBaron family, a well known American clan who have lived in the fundamentalist community in the northern part of the country for decades, according to the New York Times. Kenny LeBaron, a cousin to several of the victims, told the Times he feared the death toll could increase.

    “When you know there are babies tied in a car seat that are burning because of some twisted evil that’s in this world,” LeBaron said, “it’s just hard to cope with that.”

    More than a dozen other members of La Mora — a decades-old settlement in Sonora state founded as part of an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints— were missing after the attack on the convoy of three SUVs, a relative told The Associated Press. US citizens killed, kidnapped in cartel shootout in Mexico | Fox News

    I just can't imagine the motive here.

    An article I read recently had, among other intriguing information this to say: We should stop thinking of them as drug cartels, and consider them warlords and militias, as they literally run much of Mexico, not just the drug trade but operating as a defacto local-government-by-force-of-arms.

    Say No to them about anything, they're liable to take it personally and they are extreme in response.

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