Thread: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

Originally Posted by James972

1) that's a very trivial issue not listed in Constitution as impeachable

You are correct. The nation's Chief Executive has every right to fire anyone within his Administration he wants for practically any reason. However, I'm not arguing the constitutionality of the President's hiring and/or firing practices. I'm articulating why he (wanted her) fired.

2) normal deep state channels hate Trump so he had no choice.

: That's the lie you tell yourself so you don't have to to the truth. This isn't WWII era or the Cold War era where back-channel communications were necessary for national security reasons. There was not national security aspect involved in what Pres. Trump was doing. This was all personal. He wanted to establish back-channel communications with high ranking Ukrainian officials so as to keep what he was doing - his personal aspirations cloaked under the guise of "national security...down-graded to a sovereign nation's corruptibility, btw - a secret from the public.

3) he's chief executive and normal channels must obey him and Trump is free to go around them

If "noraml channels must obey him, why the hell would he need to establish a back-channel to communicate with foreign officials? But on the whole, yes - and I want to make this abundantly clear: THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS FREE TO GO AROUND NORMAL MEANS OF COMMUNICATIONS WHEN SPEAKING WITH FOREIGN LEADERS. His henchmen, Rudy Giuliani, are not.

Originally Posted by sjmay

Just want to be clear on the bold, you think President's going through back channels, is an impeachable offense?

Did I say establishing back-channel communications was an impeachable offense?

Nope, I don't think I did...never even mentioned it coming close to such. What I said was there's a reason for this woman's firing (which had absolutely nothing to do with the performance of her duties, btw.) and EVERYTHING with eing part of a larger scheme by this POTUS to get people out of the way he believed would NOT be amiable to what he was doing either because it broke with well established norms OR (as was firmly believed) it violated the law (domestic or international).

Originally Posted by James972

and of course he cant use normal deep state channels since the deep state blindly hates him and is hopefully about to go to jail for it. therefore he is fully justified in setting up his own channels, especially in the case of Obama's anti corruption czar going to Ukraine and corruptly taking $50K per months and laundering it through his son! without Trump we might have elected the Biden Mafia to the White House. One more thing to thank Donald for!!

Such a STUPID comparison.

The only thing I will ask is this: In repaying the Iranian government their own money (plus interest...I assume that was included in the payment), was former Pres. Obama doing this for personal gain or in the interest of fostering better foreign relations and furthering national security interest?

IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT HIS ACTIONS WERE, IN FACT, PERSONAL I WILL ACCEPT YOUR COMPARATIVE ARGUMENT.

But you can't....because it wasn't.