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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If she wasn't there, why the hell was she testifying, anyway?
    Because this isn't just about the phone call.
    Don't believe something just because you want to.

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    Why not send an e-mail to the address?
    No thanks. I'll wait to see if the problem continues into tomorrow.
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    "Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country,”

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    same stuff , lose debate and go substance free. Ever see a conservative have to run from a debate?
    There was nothing lost. You asked a question you could answer yourself by going back and reading my original post. You don't run from debates; heck, you don't even run to them. None of what you do here is debating.

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    Lets think shall we? Trump is chief investigative officer of the USA given unitary presidency so like any investigator his personal interest or career is served by successful investigations. Do you want to demote investigators who are successful? More importantly, the American people gain from the exposure of the Biden family mafia. NOw do you understand?
    A president isn't there to use the power of the office to further his own personal benefit. You seem to forget (either conveniently or through ignorance) that the issue is the leveraging of aid not for a policy initiative of the US government, but to potentially damage the campaign of his political rival. The request to have Zelensky make a public announcement makes this even more obvious that there was more to this than just pursuing corruption in the Ukraine. I have no issue with Biden being investigated, but when you have these other questionable actions like what I just mentioned plus Trump's personal lawyer running a shadow diplomacy effort, then it shouldn't be a surprise all of this is being examined and scrutinized.

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us the bombshell in the transcript.
    Not picking on you but rather using your post to answer the question many Trump supporters have echoed, towit, "Where's the bombshell in the transcript?"

    Answer: There isn't one...at least none that I've found in the 103 pages I've read so far. But then again, with this particularly witness' and the reason she was brought before Congress, her testimony wasn't meant to get to the root of what Pres. Trump through members of his State Department were doing and why.

    While former Ambassador Yovanovitch did make it clear that she believed Rudy Guiliani's purpose in Ukraine was strictly political and had nothing to do with national security or foreign policy initiatives, the purpose for bringing her before Congress was trying to better understand why the Trump Administration (State Department under the direction of the President) wanted her out of her ambassadorship in Ukraine. Once you realize that the reason he wanted her out was so that he could work back channel communications through Rudy Guiliani more easily without interference from her, then you realize the importance of firing and her testimony.

    The smoking gun here isn't so much about the quid pro quo. Rather is about Pres. Trump once again attempting to work back channel communications through 3rd party intermediaries as opposed to going through normal established channels.
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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Rather is about Pres. Trump once again attempting to work back channel communications through 3rd party intermediaries as opposed to going through normal established channels.
    1) that's a very trivial issue not listed in Constitution as impeachable
    2) normal deep state channels hate Trump so he had no choice
    3) he's chief executive and normal channels must obey him and Trump is free to go around them

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    A president isn't there to use the power of the office to further his own personal benefit.
    so he cant make peace or stop genocide because it will be to his personal career benefit?? Think please!

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    so he cant make peace or stop genocide because it will be to his personal career benefit?? Think please!


    Oh the irony. If it has to be explained why Trump is in the mess he's in, then go read up on it first then come back.


    "He can't make peace or stop genocide"....

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The smoking gun here isn't so much about the quid pro quo. Rather is about Pres. Trump once again attempting to work back channel communications through 3rd party intermediaries as opposed to going through normal established channels.
    and of course he cant use normal deep state channels since the deep state blindly hates him and is hopefully about to go to jail for it. therefore he is fully justified in setting up his own channels, especially in the case of Obama's anti corruption czar going to Ukraine and corruptly taking $50K per months and laundering it through his son! without Trump we might have elected the Biden Mafia to the White House. One more thing to thank Donald for!!

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    Re: House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Not picking on you but rather using your post to answer the question many Trump supporters have echoed, towit, "Where's the bombshell in the transcript?"

    Answer: There isn't one...at least none that I've found in the 103 pages I've read so far. But then again, with this particularly witness' and the reason she was brought before Congress, her testimony wasn't meant to get to the root of what Pres. Trump through members of his State Department were doing and why.

    While former Ambassador Yovanovitch did make it clear that she believed Rudy Guiliani's purpose in Ukraine was strictly political and had nothing to do with national security or foreign policy initiatives, the purpose for bringing her before Congress was trying to better understand why the Trump Administration (State Department under the direction of the President) wanted her out of her ambassadorship in Ukraine. Once you realize that the reason he wanted her out was so that he could work back channel communications through Rudy Guiliani more easily without interference from her, then you realize the importance of firing and her testimony.

    The smoking gun here isn't so much about the quid pro quo. Rather is about Pres. Trump once again attempting to work back channel communications through 3rd party intermediaries as opposed to going through normal established channels.
    Just want to be clear on the bold, you think President's going through back channels, is an impeachable offense?

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