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House Passes Resolution Formalizing Impeachment Inquiry

ocean515 said:
False.

Try again with some facts.

If you think their opinions corroborates corruption, the Biden's confession corroborates his corruption.

But you don't accept that Biden is corrupt.

So you opinion is meaningless.

Can't have it both ways.
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I think trying again would yield the same result as the first attempt. Just bounces right off.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
What hasn't been corroborated in the WB report? Why don't you try again with some facts?
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The WB report is nothing but hearsay.

The opinions of biased operatives is not proof of anything illegal.

When the House is through with their clown show, the Senate will take up the matter.

That's when the public will learn the facts, not before.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
It's a clear conflict of interest for Trump to initiate any sort of investigation into one of his main political rivals in an upcoming election. Every day throughout the country judges, prosecutors, and investigators recuse themself from investigations they have some sort of connection with. It's not different for the President. The same logic applies. On top of that the evidence, they are using to try and justify an investigation was ginned up by Rudy's goons and also a Ukrainian oligarch who was trying to get out from under a DOJ prosecution.

And, yes, Nixon's impeachable offenses did not involve trying to attract foreign interference in an election campaign, nor did it involve endangering our national security.
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Trump did not initiate such an investigation.
The DOJ initiated the investigation.
 
bubbabgone said:
That one again. Let's call it the Perkins Coie analyisis.
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Perkins Coie has 2,400 employees. And the source doesn't matter. It's just a summary of the facts. Read it.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Fortunately the majority of Americans support the impeachment inquiry so yes, they do honestly believe that.
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Given the nearly constant MSM cheerleading, it is not surprising that public support for an impeachment "inquiry" is growing. That being said, such public support is far from universal and varies widely by state and congressional district. We are (or at least should be) aware that winning the national popularity contest does not necessarily translate into having more US Senate seats or the presidency. IMHO, Pelosi was foolish to hand Schiff so much power based on his track record of promising far more Russian collusion evidence than he was able to provide.
 
NWRatCon said:
Republican diehards here and in Congress assume that because they are hyperpartisan and unprincipled, that everyone must be so. That is trebly true of Trump. They cannot conceive that there are still people in the world that operate on principles, values and love of country - and see the Trump administration as an affront and danger to all of those. It is not just ignorance, but willful blindness to reality. I am no longer surprised by this, but I am thoroughly disgusted by it. Hillary Clinton was wrong about the deplorables. She stated that it was only some of Trump's supporters. She was off in her percentages.
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That's nice.
Has nothing to do with an impeachment, though.
Vote him out next year.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Perkins Coie has 2,400 employees. And the source doesn't matter. It's just a summary of the facts. Read it.
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I read it.
And I read Perkins Coie earlier document they called the Steele dossier.
The problem for you & them is that I read the phonecall transcript which sends a FGM-148 right up the Perkins Coie poop shute.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Trump did not initiate such an investigation. The DOJ initiated the investigation.
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1. There is no evidence the DOJ is investigating the Bidens in relation to Joe Biden's actions in Ukraine and Burisma. None. If you have some evidence that the DOJ is conducting such an investigation, please provide it.

2. We already have a legal assistance treaty with Ukraine. The President doesn't need to coordinate anything with Ukraine. Career officials can just ask for information and Ukraine is obligated to give it to him. But that's not what the President wanted. The President wanted Ukraine to initiate an investigation into the Bidens, and also publicly announce such an investigation into the Bidens (which isn't something law enforcement is supposed to do).
 
Jonsa said:
I think trying again would yield the same result as the first attempt. Just bounces right off.
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So I'll put you down for believing Biden did nothing and the Democrats should be successful with their partisan coup.
 
bubbabgone said:
I read it. And I read Perkins Coie earlier document they called the Steele dossier.
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Perkins Coie outsourced it to Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS conducted a review of publicly available documents. The public search of information prompted Glenn Simpson to tap Christopher Steele to conduct an intelligence operation against the Russian government.

Perkins Coie also has 2,400 employees, a firm with a strong reputation, and was founded in 1912. This idea that anyone who has ever worked for Perkins Coie is suspect is stupid even if you believe all the unfounded and dumb conspiracy theories that Glenn Simpson and Christopher Steele acted in bad faith.

Also, it doesn't matter!!!! They reference the facts and original source material. You can backtrack and double-check everything they reference, all of it is in the public domain.

The problem for you & them is that I read the phonecall transcript which sends a FGM-148 right up the Perkins Coie poop shute.
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Which phone call transcript? What are you talking about? The Trump-Zelenskyy call? Why would that reflect poorly on Perkins Coie? Just Security is based at the Reiss Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law. It has no associaiton with Perkins Coie. Nothing you're writing makes any logical sense.
 
ocean515 said:
So I'll put you down for believing Biden did nothing and the Democrats should be successful with their partisan coup.
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The evidence that Biden did something wrong is a suspect affidavit ginned up by Rudy's pals and a Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch.

Impeachment is a legal tool in the Constitution itself. It's not a coup, but a legitimate, legal process to remove a corrupt person like Trump from office.
 
1. There is no evidence the DOJ is investigating the Bidens in relation to Joe Biden's actions in Ukraine and Burisma. None. If you have some evidence that the DOJ is conducting such an investigation, please provide it.
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There is an investigation into the basis for the belief that the Obama Admin had that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election. Mr. Biden's public statement that he was successful in squeezing Ukraine for the firing of that prosecutor is worthwhile investigating to help determine whether the Obama Admin had the ability-- and willignness-- to squeeze Ukraine to re-open their Manafort investigation.

We already have a legal assistance treaty with Ukraine. The President doesn't need to coordinate anything with Ukraine. Career officials can just ask for information and Ukraine is obligated to give it to him. But that's not what the President wanted. The President wanted Ukraine to initiate an investigation into the Bidens, and also publicly announce such an investigation into the Bidens (which isn't something law enforcement is supposed to do).
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The transcript indicates that Trump would have Barr do the coordination.
 
NWRatCon said:
Republican diehards here and in Congress assume that because they are hyperpartisan and unprincipled, that everyone must be so. That is trebly true of Trump.
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I think this is a great point, and it is one of the things that motivates Trump's actions.

I do not believe Trump believes in the Rule of Law, or justice, or the legal system. He views it only as a tool to damage his enemies. He's a very bad actor in our system in that regard. And it's this view that informs how he approaches impeachment and the Democrats and Biden. He thinks everyone is just as corrupt as he is. He does not understand anything about duty and honor and respect for the Rule of Law, and cannot contemplate for one second that a profound love of the Constitution, and a profound love of our Republic, and a profound love of the Rule of Law, is what is motivating his critics and the Democrats to impeach him.

I also think many of his supporters hold this view as well. They are often uneducated and view the legal system with great suspicion.
 
dobieg said:
What,...spying on your political opponent under the pretext of foreign interference?
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Yet another falsehood coming from Rush and Sean.

Donald Trump, the New York City conman, took taxpayer dollars and did his standard New York City extortion thing on a foreign country to trash his AMERICAN political opponent. Are you for or against American politicians doing that?
 
ocean515 said:
So I'll put you down for believing Biden did nothing and the Democrats should be successful with their partisan coup.
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Do you have any evidence that Biden did something wrong? ANYTHING AT ALL?

I thought not.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
The evidence that Biden did something wrong is a suspect affidavit ginned up by Rudy's pals and a Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch.

Impeachment is a legal tool in the Constitution itself. It's not a coup, but a legitimate, legal process to remove a corrupt person like Trump from office.
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The evidence of Biden's corruption is in his video confession.

Impeachment is indeed a political process provided for by the Constitution.

Explain how what is going on is legitimate, when as it is right now, the process is not bipartisan, but completely partisan, as evidenced by yesterday vote on the laughable resolution.
 
Athanasius68 said:
There is an investigation into the basis for the belief that the Obama Admin had that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
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Yes. I understand and I agree with this comment, so long as we ignore the reasons why Trump picked Barr to be AG.

It also has nothing to do with the Bidens and Burisma.

Mr. Biden's public statement that he was successful in squeezing Ukraine for the firing of that prosecutor is worthwhile investigating to help determine whether the Obama Admin had the ability-- and willinness-- to squeeze Ukraine to re-open their Manafort investigation.
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So what exactly are you talking about? Are you trying to suggest that Biden or the Obam administration was involved in trying to coerce Ukraine to en or re-open some sort of investigation into Manafort? If so, that's news to me. To the best of my knowledge, the Ukrainian government stopped investigating Manafort after Trump came into office and after Trump threatened them (which is something else we should be investigating as far as I'm concerned).

The transcript indicates that he would have Barr do the coordination.
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Again, the Bidens and Burisma have nothing to do with looking into the goofy Crowdstrike conspiracy theory. It makes no sense to connect the two.

QAnon appears to have spaghettified your brain.

Trump supporters appear to be experiencing one, a massive, psychotic break from reality.
 
ocean515 said:
The WB report is nothing but hearsay.
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Irrelevant if the hearsay has been corroborated which makes this talking point irrelevant.

The opinions of biased operatives is not proof of anything illegal.
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Nobody's hanging their hat on opinions. The facts are clear. The WB complaint has been corroborated - the facts of the complaint. We know Trump requested that Ukraine investigate Burisma (the Bidens). That's a fact, not an opinion, and it's been corroborated.
 
Jonsa said:
Do you have any evidence that Biden did something wrong? ANYTHING AT ALL?

I thought not.
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When you ask and answer your own question, you erase yourself, and your feelings, from further consideration.
 
ocean515 said:
The evidence of Biden's corruption is in his video confession.
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No, it's not. He merely said he threatened Ukraine into firing the prosecutor. You are trying to claim the reason he did so was to protect his son. But there is no evidence for that.

Impeachment is indeed a political process provided for by the Constitution. Explain how what is going on is legitimate, when as it is right now, the process is not bipartisan, but completely partisan, as evidenced by yesterday vote on the laughable resolution.
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The rules adopted yesterday are legitimate because the members of the House, chosen by the American people to represent them, voted to adopt those rules. Prior to the adoption of these rules, the House had the power to investigate corruption in the executive branch as part of their ordinary oversight capability. And a federal judge 1-2 weeks ago reaffirmed the process the Democrats were using was legitimate and that the executive branch had to comply with subpoenas.

Also, there's nothing in the Constitution that says impeachment is invalid if it's conducted along party lines. As an example, Clinton's impeachment in 1998 was straight party-line vote:

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

I don't think the vote yesterday reflects poorly on the Democrats. I think it reflects poorly on the Republicans. The bottom line is the Republicans, and Republican voters themselves have become immoral and unethical people who no longer believe in the Rule of Law and the Constitution, or, alternatively, they have grown to hate the Democrats more than they love our Republic and our Constitution.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Irrelevant if the hearsay has been corroborated which makes this talking point irrelevant.



Nobody's hanging their hat on opinions. The facts are clear. The WB complaint has been corroborated - the facts of the complaint. We know Trump requested that Ukraine investigate Burisma (the Bidens). That's a fact, not an opinion, and it's been corroborated.
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What corroboration are you referring to? The transcript of the call corroborates what was discussed.

What you seem to referring to is the accusation, which has nothing to do with corroboration, or any implication from that corroboration.

The accusation is nothing but that, an accusation. It's not proof of anything.
 
ocean515 said:
When you ask and answer your own question, you erase yourself, and your feelings, from further consideration.
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You're not engaging in a serious discussion about anything. I don't know why you're even posting. Everyone else on here tries hard to develop a logical argument and support their arguments with facts and references. You think you can just wave your hands around. Knock it off.

You don't have anything to back up anything you're saying. Just admit it and move on.
 
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