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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL, criminal leaking of what?

    If leaking was a crime, we'd jail half or more of Congress. I mean, come on. That's pathetic.
    Tell that to Edward Snowden

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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by VySky View Post
    #3 is not true. He was asking for them to look into the Biden's. Not a political opponent. It was irrelevant whether Biden was running for office, or was trying to find out why his son's wrecked rental car had a crack pipe in it. He asked them to investigate corruption something we should expect America to do. Biden is not exempt just because he wants to lose in 2020

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    So the prez wanted a foreign gov't to spy/investigate a US civilian. For what?
    And if they did, then they can get the money that congress had already granted them?
    Sounds like bribery from our prez.

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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Tell that to Edward Snowden


    Again, criminal leaking of what? We're not dealing with someone else - you alleged Schiff is likely guilty of a crime. Be specific - what leaks allegedly by Schiff can be criminally charged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The concern is he'll be immediately attacked, his life turned upside down, death threats, etc. The president of the United States just suggested that those talking to the WB should be considered spies and possibly executed. Other than that, no worries...

    Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called “Whistleblower,” represented a perfect conversation with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way. Then Schiff made up what I actually said by lying to Congress......"

    And the 'accusations' by the WB are moot at this point. We're getting testimony from the actors in the play, nearly every day, for a couple weeks now. You can't name a single allegation made by the WB that matters at this point that hasn't been confirmed by one of those directly involved in this mess, and who have testified by name, under oath, to what they said, saw, heard, did.

    If you think that's wrong, prove it. What fact in that complaint needs to verified by the WB that isn't being verified or not by the direct participants? Just one.

    We'll wait here while you don't come up with anything.....
    Do you think taking an aggressive tone is gonna intimidate me into retreating from my position?

    I honestly do not care about the identity of the WB or his accusation. If he is unwilling to come out of the shadows and be heard i see no reason to take his claims as a serious consideration.

    We dont need the WB testimony because Trump released the memo of the conversation. By your logic we dont need any testimony from anyone. They have all the information required. Schiff can continue trying to hide the WB identity but it makes them look like they are hiding something embarassing.

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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Do you think taking an aggressive tone is gonna intimidate me into retreating from my position?

    I honestly do not care about the identity of the WB or his accusation. If he is unwilling to come out of the shadows and be heard i see no reason to take his claims as a serious consideration.

    We dont need the WB testimony because Trump released the memo of the conversation. By your logic we dont need any testimony from anyone. They have all the information required. Schiff can continue trying to hide the WB identity but it makes them look like they are hiding something embarassing.

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    You're right. Because what was released substantiated the all of the WB's claims.

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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    There was no evidence of corruption by the Bidens, so asking them to look into the Bidens was not asking them to look into corruption. The only reason for him to do so was to dig up dirt on a political opponent. This is abuse of power. And threatening to withhold desperately needed aid unless it happens is extortion.
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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    He was asking for them to look into the Biden's. Not a political opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post


    Again, criminal leaking of what? We're not dealing with someone else - you alleged Schiff is likely guilty of a crime. Be specific - what leaks allegedly by Schiff can be criminally charged?
    Leaking classified materials is a crime

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    Re: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Full title: Shouting match erupts in Vindman deposition as Democrats accuse Republicans of trying to out whistleblower

    Lost for for any rational means of defending Trump's attempt to make a foreign government investigate his political rival by withholding critical military aid, Republicans have only three means left to them:

    3) refuse to answer the question of whether it's appropriate for a President to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival
    MY answer is simple. The president along with any citizen should have the right to look into possible corruption no matter who the person is.

    If leaders of other countries do not want to help look into corruption then I don't want them getting my tax dollars. If we can help them by giving them lots of our money they can surely look into possible corruption for the people of this country including the president.
    Corruption should be looked into by anyone in a free country without fear of consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Kid View Post
    You're right. Because what was released substantiated the all of the WB's claims.
    Actually there are some conflicts like Trump repeatedly pressuring the Ukraines. That was inaccurately characterized. That said...

    I agree that all these testimonies are not needing. They come off as political grandstanding.

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