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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalu View Post
    I clarified my statement in an earlier post. I'm talking about modern Western states in particular. The tactics that the people you listed used and the reactions they caused in the people they were used against are a big part of the reason we don't use them.
    Uh huh. Modern western states gave us the war to end all wars. That failed. Then its continuance with WWII, and its horrors. Then in reaction to those horrors setting up rules of war ignored not only by the rest of the world, but those same self serving horrified powers when inconvenient. Politician may start wars, but they don't get to dictate how they are fought.

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    See? Of all the terrible and sad things with the Trump presidency, the bolded may be the saddest.

    I often have CNBC on in the background, to monitor the markets. Not long ago, I was watching a segment where Trump earlier had Tweeted some point about making progress with the trade-talk negotiations. Not long after, a journalist at a CCP state paper cited a CCP official as disputing Trump's characterization. Immediately all the guests at the round-table segment I was watching sided with the CCP announcement disputing Trump, with the guests citing Trump's frequent false claims in the matter.

    That was when it hit me. Market analysts & traders do their best best to live in pragmatic reality. To do less, will bankrupt you. I ran in these circles for a brief period, earlier in my life. And these guys, my fellow Americans, were quick to side with the CCP's version of the events over the President! Think of that! Believing the Chinese Communist Party over the President, over the White House.

    I was sad & angry. Not angry at the traders & analysts. Not angry with the Communist Party. But angry with Trump, for what he has done to us. I was thoroughly disgusted. And still am.
    I don't understand the thinking of people who aren't disgusted by this.

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by sjmay View Post
    I did mean not nuanced....bungled that one up,

    My point is, it's complex, everything about it is complex, but the lack of civility is there, and the media are not helping it along, at all, whatsoever.

    There used to be a time, when dems, republicans, people, could disagree and not turn to baiting, hatred, blaming, name calling, kinda like your quote there.

    That time is no longer here, Trump didn't create it, he's a symptom of it, and he sure doesn't help heal it either, but neither is anyone else in Washington.

    People...in general are just tired of the gotcha's, the games, the in-fighting, and that's all Washington is these days.
    Agreed,

    I'm old enough to remember JFK Dems & Rockefeller Republicans. What I'd do to have them back!
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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Time for photo ops with Trump and all the members of Trump's cabinet solemnly hunkered down around the oval desk while appearing to be plotting the bad guy's demise. It's time to show Obama he is not the only one who can take credit for years-long successful panning and pursuits by the US military hunting down bad guys around the globe.
    Please spare us your revisionist history. Obama never took credit for the raid. Here is his speech.

    But Donald Trump declared in 2012 that people should stop congratulating President Obama for the killing of Osama bin Laden.
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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Unfortunately there are too many willing to fill his empty shoes. Like roaches they hide in the dark.
    True. But capable leaders are rare. Plus it is pointless and too expensive to chase cockroaches into their hiding places. It is best to lay traps and let them come back out into the open with the illusion of safety.
    Corruption should be looked into by anyone in a free country without fear of consequences.

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Sadly, I think that would be a better solution than letting their ideals infect these children.

    I've seen my fair share of kids killed by trying to appease some ideology that they could barely understand.

    Its' just an unfortunate truth of war.
    Using terrorist tactics won't defeat terrorism, it only fuels more terrorism.

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, Commander of the Pacific Fleet, was playing golf when the Japanese surprise attack began. General Dwight D. Eisenhower was playing golf when he heard the news. Bill Clinton was playing golf when he ordered two missiles launches at Afghanistan, and then completed his game.
    Good point.

    Trump probably had no idea it was happening and why it was important.

    It was like a surprise.
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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    Well, that explains why you defend Trump's public support of Neo Nazis.



    So so long as a mass murderer saw something bad happen before they went on their murder spree, you think they should get off.

    Well isn't that interesting. I'll be looking for some consistency in your position the next time someone goes on a shooting rampage. But somehow I expect your position only applies when it's someone you can identify with doing the killing.
    Show me where I said anything defending Trump's supposed comments about neo Nazis, or anything supporting neo Nazis. You are a liar. As dishonest as they come.

    I'm all for mass murdering shooters. They give executioners job security. Got any more incipient lies to use when you are out of anything resembling a rational argument?

    You are blowing it all out of the wrong hole. You're speaking with a former MP Officer, and a former NYPD Gold Shield. Verbal diarrhea is all you have to offer.

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    re: [W:524] Trump approves special ops raid targeting isis leader baghdadi, military says he's dead

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Let me try it another way:

    This requires ordering an American soldier (who is possibly not even old enough to drink) to deliberately kill children.
    War is not for the faint of heart. Your enemy will capitalize on any weakness and exploit any thing they believe you cannot bring yourself to do. Militaries have been setting up anti aircraft guns on the roofs of schools since WW2. At some point the people who support these regimes actions are the ones putting their children in harms way. If someone uses their children as a shield it is they who are endangering their children's lives.
    Corruption should be looked into by anyone in a free country without fear of consequences.

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