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    Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Washington (CNN)A federal judge Wednesday gave the State Department 30 days to release Ukraine-related records, including communications between Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
    In response to an emergency motion from the watchdog group American Oversight, Judge Christopher Cooper ordered lawyers for the group and the State Department to come together to narrow the scope of the documents in the request -- eliminating those that would likely be exempt from release -- and produce documents in the next 30 days.
    Cooper said that he could not think of a third party exemption that would prevent the release of correspondence between Giuliani and top State Department officials regarding Ukraine.
    "The judge zeroed in on communications with Rudy Giuliani to be most subject to public disclosure. Why? Because he doesn't work for the government," American Oversight Executive Director Austin Evers told reporters after the hearing.
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    Well! Things impeachment just ratcheted-up a notch!

    Some of us theorized if a point could be hit where Trump would thumb his nose at the judiciary. It looks like now, he'll get his chance. I suspect Trump will indeed refuse to cooperate, and I believe it will feed greatly into the impeachment argument in Pelosi's favor.

    Let's not forget Obstruction of Congress was an article of impeachment filed against both Nixon & Bill Clinton. It seems the judge's ruling today would add evidence to the obstruction pile, even if this specific case was not brought by Congress itself. The judge is ruling there is no legal exemption to releasing the documents - the very documents the House impeachment inquiry committee also wants - the very documents Trump refuses to give Congress.

    We're seeing a widening of Trump's upside down approval-disapproval numbers, along with seeing rising numbers in support of the impeachment inquiry & impeachment itself - particularly with Indies. If Trump refuses to release the texts, emails, and documents of the Ukraine & Giuliani, I only see these numbers continuing south for Trump. If he were to obstruct after a SCOTUS ruling goes against him, I do not see his presidency surviving
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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    You know, when you consider how much Republicans want the House to hurry up with impeachment, the Trump Administration and House Republicans sure are doing everything in their power to slow it the hell down.

    Anyway, fighting the impeachment inquiry may amuse Republicans in the short term, but I don't think they're grasping that they're only making it worse for themselves. I also don't think they grasp how futile it is. Professional officials can see just fine that the wheels on the bus are coming off, and they're all coming forward in spite of the White House's orders to not testify.

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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    We're seeing a widening of Trump's upside down approval-disapproval numbers, along with seeing rising numbers in support of the impeachment inquiry & impeachment itself - particularly with Indies. If Trump refuses to release the texts, emails, and documents of the Ukraine & Giuliani, I only see these numbers continuing south for Trump. If he were to obstruct after a SCOTUS ruling goes against him, I do not see his presidency surviving
    Nate Silver: "A week later, and there are a few more signs of deterioration in Trump's approval rating. Obviously nothing huge. His approval rating may or may not be decreasing, but we can fairly confidently say it's not *increasing* as a result of the first stages of the impeachment process."

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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Well! Things impeachment just ratcheted-up a notch!

    Some of us theorized if a point could be hit where Trump would thumb his nose at the judiciary. It looks like now, he'll get his chance. I suspect Trump will indeed refuse to cooperate, and I believe it will feed greatly into the impeachment argument in Pelosi's favor.

    Let's not forget Obstruction of Congress was an article of impeachment filed against both Nixon & Bill Clinton. It seems the judge's ruling today would add evidence to the obstruction pile, even if this specific case was not brought by Congress itself. The judge is ruling there is no legal exemption to releasing the documents - the very documents the House impeachment inquiry committee also wants - the very documents Trump refuses to give Congress.

    We're seeing a widening of Trump's upside down approval-disapproval numbers, along with seeing rising numbers in support of the impeachment inquiry & impeachment itself - particularly with Indies. If Trump refuses to release the texts, emails, and documents of the Ukraine & Giuliani, I only see these numbers continuing south for Trump. If he were to obstruct after a SCOTUS ruling goes against him, I do not see his presidency surviving
    Wow! I wasn't even aware that this court case was happening. Nice find! Besides Trump obviously it may portend some troubles ahead for Mr Pompeo as well.

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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You know, when you consider how much Republicans want the House to hurry up with impeachment, the Trump Administration and House Republicans sure are doing everything in their power to slow it the hell down.

    Anyway, fighting the impeachment inquiry may amuse Republicans in the short term, but I don't think they're grasping that they're only making it worse for themselves.
    Trump will never win the election/impeachment game, if he goes against the courts. If he can't beat this in court, and it doesn't look like he will to me, this all goes into the impeachment evidence pile and the court of public opinion. I seriously can't imagine Trump surviving rebuffing the Supreme Court.

    He's screwed here, baring a legal win. All those conversations of his, Rudy's, Barr's, his administration's, etc., will also be hell for him released to the public. In the end, his only choice will be to release everything and try his best to spin it. But I don't see that as a great thing for him, either. With release, he might survive impeachment, but he & the GOP are going to suffer some real pain here. Hopefully, it's enough to bring their downfall in the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Kid View Post
    Wow! I wasn't even aware that this court case was happening. Nice find! Besides Trump obviously it may portend some troubles ahead for Mr Pompeo as well.
    Unfortunately with all the distractions Trump & the GOP are doing, many of us are losing sight of much of other important pieces of the puzzle. Obviously, they are doing this distraction intentionally.
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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Trump will never win the election/impeachment game, if he esgo against the courts. If he can't beat this in court, and it doesn't look like he will to me, this all goes into the impeachment evidence pile and the court of public opinion. I seriously can't imagine Trump surviving rebuffing the Supreme Court.

    He's screwed here, baring a legal win. All those conversations of his, Rudy's, Barr's, his administration's, etc., will also be hell for him released to the public. In the end, his only choice will be to release everything and try his best to spin it. But I don't see that as a great thing for him, either. With release, he might survive impeachment, but he & the GOP are going to suffer some real pain here. Hopefully, it's enough to bring there downfall in the election.
    Gas lighting also doesn't seem to be helping them overly much. Or if it is, it's only among the most devoted of his base. When they finally figure out that doesn't work, what defense will they try next?

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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nate Silver: "A week later, and there are a few more signs of deterioration in Trump's approval rating. Obviously nothing huge. His approval rating may or may not be decreasing, but we can fairly confidently say it's not *increasing* as a result of the first stages of the impeachment process."
    Trump's numbers are slowly changing, especially in regards to impeachment, and to that specifically with the Indies. It's actually turning into quite a storm, IMO.
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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Unfortunately with all the distractions Trump & the GOP are doing, many of us are losing sight of much of other important pieces of the puzzle. Obviously, they are doing this distraction intentionally.
    I admit I got baited into defending the process, which I won't be doing any longer. Let them scream about the process into a paper bag for all I care.

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    Re: Judge orders State Department to release Ukraine records in 30 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Trump's numbers are slowly changing, especially in regards to impeachment, and to that specifically with the Indies. It's actually turning into quite a storm, IMO.
    It could just as well go back to the baseline average of 43% in no time, but the point remains: impeachment is most certainly not hurting Democrats.

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