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Before Mick Mulvaney confirmed a Trump-Ukraine quid pro quo, so did Sen. Ron Johnson — quietly

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I think we should rename the Trump & the WH gang as the Keystone Crooks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-quid-pro-quo-so-did-sen-ron-johnson-quietly/
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In a recording of his interview, Johnson says much the same thing Mulvaney did Thursday. He described an Aug. 31 phone call in which he tried to get Trump to release the Ukraine aid and says Trump linked the aid to the 2016 investigation into Russian interference.
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...he makes clear Trump’s interest in the origins of the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference was an express part of his concern about Ukrainian “corruption” — and was a factor in withholding aid.
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OscarLevant said:
I think we should rename the Trump & the WH gang as the Keystone Crooks
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I dont understand why some of you have a problem with that? Isn't that the sort of thing you would expect an innocent person falsely accused of something to do?

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trouble13 said:
I dont understand why some of you have a problem with that? Isn't that the sort of thing you would expect an innocent person falsely accused of something to do?
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A problem with what?
Saying no quid pro quo, then admitting quid pro quo, then denying quid pro quo then admitting it, then denying it?
Be serious for a change.
 
Mach said:
A problem with what?
Saying no quid pro quo, then admitting quid pro quo, then denying quid pro quo then admitting it, then denying it?
Be serious for a change.
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According to Mulvaney they were pressuring the Ukraine to give them informstion about crowdstrike. That companys report was at the one who made the allegation that Russia hacked the DNC server. What is the issue with checking them out?

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trouble13 said:
I dont understand why some of you have a problem with that? Isn't that the sort of thing you would expect an innocent person falsely accused of something to do?

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Trump is being charged with abuse of power, given what we have witnessed right in front of us.

Not sure what your issue is.
 
OscarLevant said:
Trump is being charged with abuse of power, given what we have witnessed right in front of us.

Not sure what your issue is.
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What is being called an abuse of power isn't one

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trouble13 said:
What is being called an abuse of power isn't one

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Using your office to withhold military assistance to a foreign country in return for an investigation into your political rival is the definition of abuse of power.
 
trouble13 said:
What is being called an abuse of power isn't one

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Do you really not notice how you are reduced to saying "what you just saw happen did not happen"?
 
OscarLevant said:
I think we should rename the Trump & the WH gang as the Keystone Crooks
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Johnson was told by Sondland that "U.S. aid to Ukraine was contingent on an investigation desired by President Trump and his allies."

Then, to put a bow on it, Johnson said to reporters that Trump told him he was considering withholding the aid because of "alleged corruption involving the 2016 U.S. election."

So regardless of the story, Johnson and Sondland both knew that the phone call was demanding a quid pro quo.

Oh, and Rick Mulvaney admitted it on live national television.

Also, because Trump commits about ten different impeachable offenses a week, it's easy to forget that Trump, on live national television, asked China to investigate his political rival.
 
trouble13 said:
According to Mulvaney they were pressuring the Ukraine to give them informstion about crowdstrike. That companys report was at the one who made the allegation that Russia hacked the DNC server. What is the issue with checking them out?

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You literally have no idea what 'crowdstrike' was.

Why do you bother to show up here an post?
 
trouble13 said:
According to Mulvaney they were pressuring the Ukraine to give them information about crowd strike.
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Trump denies that, what are you talking about?
Who are we to believe, Trump or Mulvaney?
Or Mulvaney after he got in trouble and then denied it?
Or are we to believe Ron? So many stories.

Facts don't change trouble13...so why does the White House's accounting of this keep changing? Sounds totally like innocent people, right trouble13?
Why won't Trump or his staff just come on down and tell their story under oath to Congress (implicit) and clear all this up? An innocent person would have no issue with that, right?
Why not just provide the requested transcripts and documents? Totally normally for people with nothing to hide.

Think man.
 
trouble13 said:
According to Mulvaney they were pressuring the Ukraine to give them informstion about crowdstrike. That companys report was at the one who made the allegation that Russia hacked the DNC server. What is the issue with checking them out?

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hahahhahahaa..

Mulvaney admitted there was a quid pro quo - Ukraine digging dirt on Biden's son and in turn Joe - for the aid that Trump withheld. He admitted it. It was already obvious, but he admitted it. Even Hannity is reduced to saying it's not true because Mulvaney is actually stupid. #TheBestPeople.

Don't ask me for links. Go look it up on something that isn't a far right propaganda site that will tell you that really, the big scandal is Obama booger aliens from space with mind control worms or whatever insanity has to be cooked up to defend the present situation.






Clue: YOU WERE WRONG.

You were wrong. You were very bad and wrong. Your mistake in supporting Trump severely damaged America. But there is still time. Just a bit, just a little - a window - but sometimes that's all you need. Just a little breathing room. Just a bit. Just a nose out of the water for another 20 seconds...just another 20.

WAKE UP!
 
Cardinal said:
Using your office to withhold military assistance to a foreign country in return for an investigation into your political rival is the definition of abuse of power.
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I love all the qualififers you put in there to try to distinguish a difference between that and what the obama administration did to Trump.

They used both foreign and domestic resources to investigate his activities. Maybe its time all those records are subpoenaed to see if there were any quid pro quos involved

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Mr Person said:
Do you really not notice how you are reduced to saying "what you just saw happen did not happen"?
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I notice that a lot of people are presenting a false premise than acting all exasperated over it being rejected when it faces objective scrutiny.

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Mach said:
Trump denies that, what are you talking about?
Who are we to believe, Trump or Mulvaney?
Or Mulvaney after he got in trouble and then denied it?
Or are we to believe Ron? So many stories.

Facts don't change trouble13...so why does the White House's accounting of this keep changing? Sounds totally like innocent people, right trouble13?
Why won't Trump or his staff just come on down and tell their story under oath to Congress (implicit) and clear all this up? An innocent person would have no issue with that, right?
Why not just provide the requested transcripts and documents? Totally normally for people with nothing to hide.

Think man.
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Nobody in thier right mind should willingly volunteer to cooperate with any investigation after they have seen what they did to flynn

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Mr Person said:
hahahhahahaa..

Mulvaney admitted there was a quid pro quo - Ukraine digging dirt on Biden's son and in turn Joe - for the aid that Trump withheld. He admitted it. It was already obvious, but he admitted it. Even Hannity is reduced to saying it's not true because Mulvaney is actually stupid. #TheBestPeople.

Don't ask me for links. Go look it up on something that isn't a far right propaganda site that will tell you that really, the big scandal is Obama booger aliens from space with mind control worms or whatever insanity has to be cooked up to defend the present situation.






Clue: YOU WERE WRONG.

You were wrong. You were very bad and wrong. Your mistake in supporting Trump severely damaged America. But there is still time. Just a bit, just a little - a window - but sometimes that's all you need. Just a little breathing room. Just a bit. Just a nose out of the water for another 20 seconds...just another 20.

WAKE UP!
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Im well aware of the medias mischaracterization

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trouble13 said:
I love all the qualififers you put in there to try to distinguish a difference between that and what the obama administration did to Trump.

They used both foreign and domestic resources to investigate his activities. Maybe its time all those records are subpoenaed to see if there were any quid pro quos involved

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I haven't seen evidence of that.

But, let's say he did, Obama was not running, one could argue, as chief law enforcement officer, it was his job.

That is precisely the argument many on the right are making about Trump regarding investigating Biden.

The difference is Trump benefits, he's running. Obama was well into his second term.

That being said, I still haven't seen evidence of it being true.
 
OscarLevant said:
I haven't seen evidence of that.

But, let's say he did, Obama was not running, one could argue, as chief law enforcement officer, it was his job.

That is precisely the argument many on the right are making about Trump regarding investigating Biden.

The difference is Trump benefits, he's running. Obama was well into his second term.

That being said, I still haven't seen evidence of it being true.
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If thats your argument, Biden isnt the nominee either. He isnt running against Trump.

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Awesome take on Mick Mulvaney. In all likelihood, Trump sent Mick out there to say exactly what he said. Which is why Trump is blaming the media for now, and not Mulvaney.

 
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