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Hillary Clinton Hints Tulsi Gabbard is being Groomed by Russia as third-party candidate-live

Felis Leo said:
Being harsh on Russia through military threats or sanctions plays into the hands of Russia by strengthening popular support for the nation's regime.
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Your cost/benefit calc is so far off, it is irrational....and we are done.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Guess I don't see 80K people wanting to vote for her. Not for POTUS. Otherwise her numbers would be higher than the 1 and 2 percent she has been polling at.
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Let's say she's polling at .5%, and continues to do so in 2020. About 66 million people voted Democrat in 2016. .5% of 66 million is 330,000. Keeping in mind that just 80,000 votes across 3 states handed the White House to Trump, do you think the Trump campaign would benefit from 330k voters getting peeled away from the Democratic candidate?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I did not say she is a mole I said she has done some REALLY stupid things that line her up with the Assad regime....and then when I present them you try to undercut with a meme about Johnson.

Maybe you should take you own advise to Hill.
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Because you are making a leap to something very serious with "really stupid things" as your springboard. Sorry that I don't agree with you on this. But it's cool.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Sure ok. I do not, have not, and will not support Tulsi. I guess I don't understand why you would say I am?
I don't think she is a Russian mole, maybe if there was some actual evidence to back it up, I'd possibly change my mind.
Right now, all I am seeing is stuff that is more CT than anything.
But my issue with this is the circling firing squad mentality of putting this out there, with no facts to support it.
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You're really surprised by this?
After Mueller said NO Americans were involved with Russia's attempt to interfere with the 2016 elections?
It wouldn't surprise me at all that Clinton and the rest of the DP rumor mill is tossing **** at Gabbard and hoping it sticks.

Perhaps Gabbard is thinking of running third party... She wouldn't be the first one who stepped off the plantation. The problem for Clinton and others who might be fostering Russian propaganda, or putting allegations out there without the benefit of facts is that they are showing the American public how contemptibly vile the Democrat party has become. They never seem to learn from their mistakes. If she wants to help Trump, just keep flapping her jaws...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You are equating the orange takeover of the GOP.....with the failed bid of Bernie? How doe this in ANY manner relate to Tulsi and her god damn stupidity on Syria?
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I am equating the populist take over of the republican party with the refusal of the dnc and establishment to follow the democratic will of the party troopers.

Tulsi is right on Syria, just not right on the way it was done.
 
Cardinal said:
How do you know that the votes she would pull away from a Democratic candidate wouldn't be "enough?" 80,000 votes across three states put Trump in the White House.
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Look what happened in 2016. It is plausible that the Russian want to do this again. Bernie supporters made the difference in the 3 Blue States

The impact of those votes was significant. In each of the three states that ultimately swung the election for Trump—Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania—Trump's margin of victory over Clinton was smaller than the number of Sanders voters who gave him their vote.
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Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof
 
Cardinal said:
Let's say she's polling at .5%, and continues to do so in 2020. About 66 million people voted Democrat in 2016. .5% of 66 million is 330,000. Keeping in mind that just 80,000 votes across 3 states handed the White House to Trump, do you think the Trump campaign would benefit from 330k voters getting peeled away from the Democratic candidate?
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Ok fine. Seriously have it your way, this is one rabbit hole I am not going down with you. Sorry, this is just doesn't work out for me.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Because you are making a leap to something very serious with "really stupid things" as your springboard. Sorry that I don't agree with you on this. But it's cool.
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You can't even say the "very serious" thing I am "leaping to" with any accuracy, you have devolved into strawman by claiming I said "mole". You do not comment seriously on the WP article, you make this into "ct". I know you don't agree, that doesn't excuse your inability to debate without BS.
 
trixare4kids said:
You're really surprised by this?
After Mueller said NO Americans were involved with Russia's attempt to interfere with the 2016 elections?
It wouldn't surprise me at all that Clinton and the rest of the DP rumor mill is tossing **** at Gabbard and hoping it sticks.

Perhaps Gabbard is thinking of running third party... She wouldn't be the first one who stepped off the plantation. The problem for Clinton and others who might be fostering Russian propaganda, or putting allegations out there without the benefit of facts is that they are showing the American public how contemptibly vile the Democrat party has become. They never seem to learn from their mistakes. If she wants to help Trump, just keep flapping her jaws...
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In a way no. But ultimately, yes, this kind of whisper campaign is not going to do what, whomever thought it was a good idea, wants it to.
If anyone is going to screw up the chances for a democrat to win it is going to be when Tom Steyer jumps in as an independent and pulls votes from the Dem nominee.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You can't even say the "very serious" thing I am "leaping to" with any accuracy, you have devolved into strawman by claiming I said "mole". You do not comment seriously on the WP article, you make this into "ct". I know you don't agree, that doesn't excuse your inability to debate without BS.
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Gotcha.
Anything else you'd like to lecture me on?
I've got some more free time.
However, when Tusli does not go third party in 2020 I would like you to come on back and tell me how bad faith I was.
 
trixare4kids said:
Hillary Clinton hints Tulsi Gabbard is being groomed by Russia as third-party candidate – live | US news | The Guardian


Sounds so familiar.... Whenever there's someone the Democrats don't like or feel threatened by, the Russia rumor mill goes into action.
Remember, the power of perception goes a long way in the game of politics. For some reason the Democrats must feel like she is leaning third party.

Curious if other Democrats have the same thoughts?
Discuss.
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Hillary's just jealous because Tulsi looks stunning in a pant suit.
 
Obscurity said:
I am equating the populist take over of the republican party with the refusal of the dnc and establishment to follow the democratic will of the party troopers.
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equating a successful take over by a GOP candidate of his party.....with....the primary loss of an unsuccessful D candidate. Sorry, I see no equivalence.

Tulsi is right on Syria, just not right on the way it was done.
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No, she is not correct on Syria, and you can't even say how she is correct.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Hillary should take the hint and just STFU already.
I don't put anything past the Russians at this point, but this smells like CT and that is not a good smell.
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It's the very same CT that Democrats did with Trump.
 
HumblePi said:
She's right, Tulsi Gabbard is definitely a Russian operative.
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You need to evict that McCarthy era that lives on in your head imo
 
Keep in mind, of course, that Hillary also said this during the interview:

That's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she's also a Russian asset.
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Gabbard! Stein! Russian assets everywhere!

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Pound4abrown said:
Gotcha.
Anything else you'd like to lecture me on?
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I'll take that as a concession, you will not debate the point in a direct and factual method.
I've got some more free time.
However, when Tusli does not go third party in 2020 I would like you to come on back and tell me how bad faith I was.
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FFS, I never even mentioned what she will do as far as anything beyond her current bid, so I have no idea why you imagine I would have to come back and say ANYTHING. Who do you imagine you are talking to?
 
Pound4abrown said:
I can see her leaving too, but does she go Independent or go Republican?
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I don't see her leaving. She's not a Republican. If she can't even register on the Democratic breathalizer then she's not going anywhere as an independent.
 
How many times have we read that Cons are obsessed with Hillary? If she would shut up and go away, no one would have to talk about her anymore.
One thing is for sure though, we could use a third party. No, not the one in Hillary's imagination, but one that would give us an alternative to being taken for granted by the Dems or Reps.
 
trixare4kids said:
I hope Hillary keeps talking...

I just want to know her motivation behind the accusation and how she knows Gabbard is a Russian asset.
This isn't the first person she has accused of being best buds with Putin.
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Imo because Gabbard is a threat to the elites of the USA and both the DNC , the Republicans are guilty of aiding and abetting the corporate takeover of that country and the undermining of democracy/move to authoritarianism that has taken place.

Clinton is a corporate lackie , why wouldn't she use her platform to denounce , without evidence , somebody that might not play the same game ?

People in the USA need to quit with all of this " it's the Lefts fault " , " it's the Rights fault " and realize they have been suckered into playing that game by a corporate plutocracy that enjoys watching that nonsense whilst it further enables its own wealth and power behind the scenes
 
Harshaw said:
Keep in mind, of course, that Hillary also said this during the interview:



Gabbard! Stein! Russian assets everywhere!

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I forgot that she also accused Stein of being compromised by Russia.
Thanks for the memories. :lol:
It makes what Clinton said even nuttier.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Ok fine. Seriously have it your way, this is one rabbit hole I am not going down with you. Sorry, this is just doesn't work out for me.
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I'm completely backing away from this theory. Tulsi Gabbard went on record in August saying she wouldn't run as a third party candidate. I have no reason to think she's lying.

Gabbard Confirms She Will Not Run As Third-Party Candidate | Video | RealClearPolitics

She answers in no uncertain terms that she will not run as an independent candidate at the end of the interview.
 
Ah the Adorables boogeyman is involked once again. There is some serious HDS on the Right, 25 years of a habit is difficult to give up.
 
Obscurity said:
Wrong. The OLD democratic party is in its death throes. Sort of like the old Republican party before 2016. The new party is not tolerant of relics like HRC, Biden, etc, in this era of cutthroat slash and bur politics that Newt Gingrich and the new right ushered in.
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Lot of truth to this but the thing is with both parties, the main party is in it's death throes due to defections of a minority part of the party. But, since it is just a minority part of both sides, it really throws a monkey wrench in both side's futures. Neither the minority on the Republican side or the Democratic side is enough to totally take over the party. They are still a minority. My personal belief is we are in the very beginning stages of at least one more major party being born but that those new parties are going to be spoilers more than anything else because they would still be minority parties for a very long time.
 
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