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Kurds Accuse Turkey of Violating Truce as Shelling Continues in Syria

Simon W. Moon said:
Again, why is Trump sanctioning Turkey for killing terrorists?
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Political pressure, I guess, and I also guess politicians are reacting to the pressure put upon them by their constituents.

Side note:Er, that's how it should work. Constituents should force their representatives to act. That's how constituents know if their representatives are representing them with congressional votes or whether constitiuents' representatives should be defeated in upcoming elections.
 
Geoist said:
Who is promoting war with Turkey?
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Turkey wants their land back from the Kurds. Many want the fighting to stop which means the Kurds get to keep the lands they have taken from Turkey. You figure it out.
 
Geoist said:
That would be a great thing. Democracy works best when it is through smaller decentralized states.
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And a American presence in these new decentralized states of Turkey would end quickly?:lamo
 
OlNate said:
Sorry, after Trump promised to protect them, you abandoning them isn't "staying out of it". It's picking a side. You don't get to stay out of it. You either help them, as you promised, or you have their blood on your hands. One or the other, I'm afraid. This will bother some Americans...but don't worry, only the decent ones.
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Oh. Did Trump promise to protect the Kurds while the Kurds fought their various battles? That's news. Where's your source, there?
 
cabse5 said:
Turkey wants their land back from the Kurds. Many want the fighting to stop which means the Kurds get to keep the lands they have taken from Turkey. You figure it out.
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Turkey is the one doing the invading here, they are invading Syria. The Kurds have not taken anything.
 
cabse5 said:
If the American economic sanctions destroy the government of Turkey, there will be nothing Erdogan will be able to do except try to save his own life.
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All those sanctions will accomplish is give a dictator a reason to galvanize his population against us, that the problems of their country are to be blamed on USA.
 
Carjosse said:
Turkey is the one doing the invading here, they are invading Syria. The Kurds have not taken anything.
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The Kurds are attacking Turkey from Syria. The Turkish Kurds want a 'Kurdish' country and the Syrian Kurds want a 'Kurdish' country and plan on taking from Turkey and Syria to do so.
 
OlNate said:
Kurdish leader says Trump promised he would protect the Kurds
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Gen. Mazloum Kobani, commander in chief of the Syrian Democratic Forces, told NBC News in an interview that he recently spoke to Trump and was assured that "there would not be a massacre against the Kurds" and that Trump would stop the invasion immediately. But Turkish forces have pushed ahead with their attack on northeastern Syria, taking control of a strategic border town Thursday.

From your link, nowhere is there a statement that Trump would protect Kurds with American troops and for American troops to fight Kurdish battles. Trump was banking on negotiation, most likely.
 
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OscarLevant said:
All those sanctions will accomplish is give a dictator a reason to galvanize his population against us, that the problems of their country are to be blamed on USA.
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Which is what you and I said about Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Remember what happened when the US destroyed the Iraqi military? After 17 years of American involvement, the situation is worse for the US than it was before the US was involved. If anything else, Iraq's Shia government is now strongly affiliated with Iran while most of the Muslims of Iraq are mostly Sunni (non-Iran-affiliated).

Have you changed your mind about the US's involvement in Iraq, for example?...That is what involvement against Turkey would be for the US...Another Iraq.
 
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cabse5 said:
Gen. Mazloum Kobani, commander in chief of the Syrian Democratic Forces, told NBC News in an interview that he recently spoke to Trump and was assured that "there would not be a massacre against the Kurds" and that Trump would stop the invasion immediately. But Turkish forces have pushed ahead with their attack on northeastern Syria, taking control of a strategic border town Thursday.

From your link, nowhere is there a statement that Trump would protect Kurds with American troops and for American troops to fight Kurdish battles. Trump was banking on negotiation, most likely.
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Then, based on the results, Trump is either an idiot, or was lying, though it's unclear which of those is "most likely". Either way, terrible look for you guys.
 
cabse5 said:
The Kurds are attacking Turkey from Syria. The Turkish Kurds want a 'Kurdish' country and the Syrian Kurds want a 'Kurdish' country and plan on taking from Turkey and Syria to do so.
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Do the Kurds not have a right to self-determination, or at the very least equal rights?
 
OlNate said:
Then, based on the results, Trump is either an idiot, or was lying, though it's unclear which of those is "most likely". Either way, terrible look for you guys.
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If you knew Trump at all, you'd know injecting more troops into the situation wouldn't be Trump's remedy because Trump ran on getting American troops out of quagmires like this one in northern Syria with the Kurds.
 
Carjosse said:
Do the Kurds not have a right to self-determination, or at the very least equal rights?
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I think, at least, Syria and Turkey should be allowed input because it's Syria's and Turkey's land the Kurds wish to appropriate. Turkey's input is to resist the Kurdish appropriation.
 
cabse5 said:
I think, at least, Syria and Turkey should be allowed input because it's Syria's and Turkey's land the Kurds wish to appropriate. Turkey's input is to resist the Kurdish appropriation.
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Maybe if they were not brutally oppressed they would not be seeking their own state. The Kurds have been there for the better part of millenium.
 
cabse5 said:
Political pressure, I guess, and I also guess politicians are reacting to the pressure put upon them by their constituents.

Side note:Er, that's how it should work. Constituents should force their representatives to act. That's how constituents know if their representatives are representing them with congressional votes or whether constitiuents' representatives should be defeated in upcoming elections.
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So, the American public is pressuring Trump on behalf of terrorists?

That doesn't sound right?

Are you quite sure that Trump threatened Turkey on behalf of terrorists, and that the American electorate is speaking out on behalf of terrorists?

That doesn't sound right.

Is it possible that you are mistaken somewhere?
 
Carjosse said:
Maybe if they were not brutally oppressed they would not be seeking their own state. The Kurds have been there for the better part of millenium.
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The Kurds aren't the only tribe that wishes autonomy in Turkey. Can't you see the extended amount of time American troops would be held in the lands that used to be called Turkey?

Please, tell me you've learned the lessons of Iraq. What are those lessons?

And isn't Turkey our ally?
 
cabse5 said:
If you knew Trump at all, you'd know injecting more troops into the situation wouldn't be Trump's remedy because Trump ran on getting American troops out of quagmires like this one in northern Syria with the Kurds.
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Oh, I know Trump. He makes all kinds of stupid decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons, in the stupidest way possible. I don't see this as a refutation of my last comment.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So, the American public is pressuring Trump on behalf of terrorists?

That doesn't sound right?

Are you quite sure that Trump threatened Turkey on behalf of terrorists, and that the American electorate is speaking out on behalf of terrorists?

That doesn't sound right.

Is it possible that you are mistaken somewhere?
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No. That was a side note and reference to the secret impeachment inquiry. A secret inquiry that isn't democratic because elected representatives aren't held accountable with their vote on impeachment inquiry (or impeachment) so voters can't decide if representatives are representing them.

If congress wishes to send troops to aid the Turks against Turkey, they can put their big person pants on and declare a war.
 
cabse5 said:
The Kurds aren't the only tribe that wishes autonomy in Turkey. Can't you see the extended amount of time American troops would be held in the lands that used to be called Turkey?

Please, tell me you've learned the lessons of Iraq. What are those lessons?

And isn't Turkey our ally?
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Legit question: Why do you guys (Trump supporters) only seem to care about your grossest allies?
 
OlNate said:
Oh, I know Trump. He makes all kinds of stupid decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons, in the stupidest way possible. I don't see this as a refutation of my last comment.
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And I know you. You have TDS and anything Trump does is wrong.
 
OlNate said:
Legit question: Why do you guys (Trump supporters) only seem to care about your grossest allies?
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Grossest allies? You want to elaborate?

EDIT: Oh. I know what you mean. Like the NBA supporting the gross ally in Beijing?
 
cabse5 said:
And I know you. You have TDS and anything Trump does is wrong.
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Aww...conservative dives for the TDS lifeline. Don't get all salty with me because you failed to address the post. This is a debate forum, not your FB page. ;) :lol:
 
cabse5 said:
Grossest allies? You want to elaborate?

EDIT: Oh. I know what you mean. Like the NBA supporting the gross ally in Beijing?
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No, you don't know what I mean, apparently. Let me help with an example. Trump calls out Canada for trying to secure negotiations that are mutually beneficial, Trump dumpsters hate Canada. Despite making Trump look like a second rate lady-boy for hire, because Trump seems to enjoy the treatment, Trump dumpsters love (and therefore defend to the point of looking like drooling idiots, especially given all their anti-Arab rhetoric) Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Care to speculate as to why? :)
 
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